Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Sablock theory

Dude, Sablock vs. Luxchomp is easily in Sablock's favor.

i can't agree with this statement.
it's luck based.
its whoever gets the better hand from judge and coinflips from initiative.

i know there is more to the deck.
i dont know what you play in your deck. is it Honchkrow SV/Blaziken/Draggy FB? If so, I find it a stuggle to win with Sablelock vs luxchomp.
Luxchomp can fit more resources in their deck than sablelock. They set up/recover much faster
 
i can't agree with this statement.
it's luck based.
its whoever gets the better hand from judge and coinflips from initiative.

pro post would read again

On one hand Luxchomp is more consistent so it has better ability to just do anything, even when judged
On the other Sableye can Impersonate its way out of Judge
 
pro post would read again

On one hand Luxchomp is more consistent so it has better ability to just do anything, even when judged
On the other Sableye can Impersonate its way out of Judge

haha. thats what i said, and i edited it

luxchomp has more resources. yeah sableye could impersonate more. it's slow though. they should have sableye KOd by the next turn

i love sablelock, i was going to play it, i just don't think it's a good choice over luxchomp.
im playing magnezone/machamp instead.
 
it's luck based.
its whoever gets the better hand from judge and coinflips from initiative.

Kind of like the lux mirror comes to who has the better opening? If that is the case, then its a crap shoot either way. At least you can impersonate a cyrus again, out of 4 flips, more often than not, youll hit 2. As for recovering from a judge, its not at all luck based for sablelock, impersonate a collector. And there isnt a lot of luck involved with lux: judge, impersonate collector.

It is becoming more and more obvious the longer this thread goes that those that think luxchomp is over the top better have no clue how to play sablelock and that is why they think lux is better.


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^ Incorrect to both you and your quoted poster. The results between Luxchomp and Sablelock are all over the place and way too difficult to manage correctly. In my entire time of playing Sablelock, I've had a split win/loss ratio against Luxchomp. There is no inherited advantage, unless you care to prove that yourself.

Also.. Inherited advantage over Dialgachomp? Dialgachomp can beat Luxchomp easily, its all a matter of the player being capable of playing Dialgachomp properly.

Its a 50/50 matchup, no question. I've won a lot of matches against Luxchomp, but also lost a lot of matchups against Luxchomp. It all comes down to setup, lockdown, and who has the upper hand.

Sablelock is by far much harder than people give it credit for. Its a common argument that its "Easy" because it wins off the donk.. but what if you can't win off the donk? It becomes that much more difficult to sustain a win off of that, but it can be done, and those who have done it (Con Le, Aaron Curry, etc) have proven time and time again that this deck is legitimate. This deck is just as hard as, if not more difficult than Dialgachomp. Those who knock it have either not played it or take the easy way out. (Lol luxchomp)
 
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^ Incorrect to both you and your quoted poster. The results between Luxchomp and Sablelock are all over the place and way too difficult to manage correctly. In my entire time of playing Sablelock, I've had a split win/loss ratio against Luxchomp. There is no inherited advantage, unless you care to prove that yourself.

Also.. Inherited advantage over Dialgachomp? Dialgachomp can beat Luxchomp easily, its all a matter of the player being capable of playing Dialgachomp properly.

Its a 50/50 matchup, no question. I've won a lot of matches against Luxchomp, but also lost a lot of matchups against Luxchomp. It all comes down to setup, lockdown, and who has the upper hand.

Sablelock is by far much harder than people give it credit for. Its a common argument that its "Easy" because it wins off the donk.. but what if you can't win off the donk? It becomes that much more difficult to sustain a win off of that, but it can be done, and those who have done it (Con Le, Aaron Curry, etc) have proven time and time again that this deck is legitimate. This deck is just as hard as, if not more difficult than Dialgachomp. Those who knock it have either not played it or take the easy way out. (Lol luxchomp)

If you are referring to me, I never said it had an inherent advantage over luxchomp, I said it had better matchups across the meta against than lux, thus it is a better deck to play. Lux is 50/50, but lux across the meta is 50/50. Sableye across the meta is better than 50/50, but 50/50 against lux, meaning sablelock has the the same odds of winning against lux but better odds against everything else.

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Not even worth testing a game without blaziken imo. Chenlock locks even better with luring flame and more ways to take prizes. No reason not to run it. But I've been crushing chenlock with vilegar. The Luxchomp matchup is meh. Nothing extremely special this format.

Are you kidding me? In our testing blaze did nothing.
 
Traditional blaze/chen lost some power with claydol leaving the format. Teching in a blaze line is awesome, relying on it like chenlock of last year is bad

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I don't like autoloss to Dos.

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And honestly, sable is like 1% of the meta. There's not really a point to tech for something youll see that often, as theres a reason why it isnt played much.
 
I'm now wondering what is better in general: Regular Sabelock, or Sablelock with Blaziken?

Mainly because for states I'm stuck between those two. Haven't figured it out yet and it's in a week and a half.
 
I don't like autoloss to Dos.

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And honestly, sable is like 1% of the meta. There's not really a point to tech for something youll see that often, as theres a reason why it isnt played much.

I was teching to BEAT all SP. Probably the only deck in the format that can consistently beat almost all forms of SP, and not autolose to other things.
 
I'm sorry? I'm saying there is a reason why SableLock is not teched for- because it loses to almost all of the meta anyways. It does have autolosses, too. Just look at the dos matchup.
 
I can't say much about the gdos matchup that hasn't already been said but I have to back porii in saying gdos is not an autoloss for sablock. Just like everyother matchup, it comes down to how well it can lock.
 
Axe: My comments were for Porii Sames and Haunter. I'm in complete agreement with you on this.

Are you kidding me? In our testing blaze did nothing.

Do you even play against Dialgachomp? Regice techs? You don't build the deck around it, its just supposed to be a tech to deal with some issues Sablelock has, such as Dialga G. Playtesting doesn't ever give you the full benefit of how a tech is supposed to work since you know what the tech is used for and will try to work around it. Thats an imbalanced way of testing.

I don't like autoloss to Dos.

My original build I ran at nationals and spring BR's last year was capable of holding its own against Gyarados every single game. In addition to that, Gyarados is not the play for States as it autolosses to every single notable deck in format. If you run into it, chances are you're hitting bad luck or you're in low tables.

I'm now wondering what is better in general: Regular Sabelock, or Sablelock with Blaziken?

Last season I'd say regular. Now I'd say Chenlock. Blaziken is too important right now.

I'm sorry? I'm saying there is a reason why SableLock is not teched for- because it loses to almost all of the meta anyways. It does have autolosses, too. Just look at the dos matchup.

This is an invalid statement. More than half of the current metagame was relevant at nationals last year. Guess what won at nationals? A few select techs aren't going to change this statistic. If you're bad with Sablelock, then you're going to lose to the entire metagame anyways. Take note that Luxchomp, Gyarados, Dialgachomp, and Cursegar were ALL around last year. Vilegar may be slightly different, but still can't get through Sablelock's early game nightmares.

All of Sablelock's matchups are 50/50 or better. There is a reason that less than 1% play it, you're right. Because its a ballsy play and takes more skill than people realize. Its like playing High Risk/High Reward characters in fighting games. If you know what you're doing, you're going to benefit greatly from it, whereas if you have no clue what you're doing, you're going to be in dead last place. The same can be said for Dialgachomp. People state that "Oh, its simple enough to run I can do it!" then they go 0-X drop.

There is no base to this statement. I understand if you've not played it enough to gauge the results you want, but the fact remains that every deck is still around from last format barring Jumpluff.

I'm still not seeing this autoloss to Gyarados. I've shut down many a Gyarados in my time. I've had some rocky late games when the lock dies out, but I can still keep ahead despite that.
 
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