i didn't read all of the replies, but pokemon is so much more than deck building. if it were only deckbuilding, i'd be a world champ. you should play the best deck that's available to you at the time. why go to a tournament if you don't want to win? that doesn't mean go online and netdeck, it means playtest to actually find out what the best deck is. if you test your 'rogue' deck to the point that you have a good amount of favorable matchups, then you should play it at the tournament. if its a 'rogue' deck with your favorite pokemon or whatever but loses to the majority of the field, why ever play it at a tournament you're guaranteed to lose?
Ways to Approach the Game
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RevYolution
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For me personally I have never copied a deck card for card that I have seen anywhere. For me I like to take strategies that work for me and try to work in other strategies that have worked for others. This in turn leads me to think of more strategies that may work in decks.
I wholeheartedly agree with Victory Bell that relaying on a deck that works for you is the best way to go. If that means net decking then so be it. It may lead to seeing where a certain deck fails and making a whole new deck for others to net deck.
I wholeheartedly agree with Victory Bell that relaying on a deck that works for you is the best way to go. If that means net decking then so be it. It may lead to seeing where a certain deck fails and making a whole new deck for others to net deck.
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Took the words right out of *my* mouth.
Playing this game is fun, WINNING is more fun.
butlerforhire
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I want to know more about Vaporeon/Pidgeot.
I love rogue decks and I can see were vaporeon is coming from, but just because everyone else is using some cards in conjunction with each other, doesnt mean your bound by the morals that other people have placed on this game to basicly block you from using those cards.
Look at my name Donchamp, I LOVE MACHAMP AND DONPHAN, I am building a deck with them even tho they are a big deck in this format, but I take donphan and put it with serpirior, then ive got 2-2-2 line of serpirior for 20 heals every turn in the game and a amazing tank. Is this a top format deck? No. Is it using cards from top format decks to add a sense of style and playability while making this card game, sent from heaven I must add, fun? Yes.
Long story, with added rambling short.
I classify myself as in the middle, literally. I see were vaporeon is coming from, but why limit yourself to rogue decks? Yes they are fun, but taking really good cards, such as emboar and donphan/machamp and adding flavor to it is not a bad thing in itself.
Vaporeon had a analogy to answers on a test, well think of adding your own flavor to cards that are the top in the format kind of like a study group, were you share ideas benifit everyone!
Hope I kind of helped, I am a rambler.
Look at my name Donchamp, I LOVE MACHAMP AND DONPHAN, I am building a deck with them even tho they are a big deck in this format, but I take donphan and put it with serpirior, then ive got 2-2-2 line of serpirior for 20 heals every turn in the game and a amazing tank. Is this a top format deck? No. Is it using cards from top format decks to add a sense of style and playability while making this card game, sent from heaven I must add, fun? Yes.
Long story, with added rambling short.
I classify myself as in the middle, literally. I see were vaporeon is coming from, but why limit yourself to rogue decks? Yes they are fun, but taking really good cards, such as emboar and donphan/machamp and adding flavor to it is not a bad thing in itself.
Vaporeon had a analogy to answers on a test, well think of adding your own flavor to cards that are the top in the format kind of like a study group, were you share ideas benifit everyone!
Hope I kind of helped, I am a rambler.
There's a huge difference between limitting yourself to only playing rogue decks, and saying that everybody else is terrible for not following your train of thought.
I can guarantee you that every single player who's done well with a rogue deck built and used it because they felt they had positive matchups against the meta, not just "to be different."
I can guarantee you that every single player who's done well with a rogue deck built and used it because they felt they had positive matchups against the meta, not just "to be different."
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It's one of my SD's. I'm not going to talk about it.
Better watch out guys! This deck must be pretty good if he's being that secretive about it. It's so different and original too
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butlerforhire
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The synergy between those two electric-weak cards with bad attacks is so obvious though. Everyone can already see the combo and thus there is no need to be ultra-secretive. What I am more interested in is your win/loss record with the deck at premier events.
Considering it's obviously Dual Splash Vaporeon plus Headwind Pidgeot, I'm sure it's an HGSS-Om deck which means it hasn't performed in any premier events. Be that as it may, you're digging your own grave hyping up a deck that may very well fall flat on it's face.
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I love coming up with original ideas, like Cacturne lock. Unfortunately, it ended up being terrible. And that's just how it rolls sometimes. For every 100 bad ideas, you'll have one amazing idea.
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I love coming up with original ideas, like Cacturne lock. Unfortunately, it ended up being terrible. And that's just how it rolls sometimes. For every 100 bad ideas, you'll have one amazing idea.
supertyranitar
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I WISH I could thank this post.
Vaporeon, I've been seeing all your posts time and time again on the 'gym. Quite frankly, it actually irks me somewhat that you condemn everyone that uses something that's already been proven to do well, while you live in your little world of rogue decks that do nothing noteworthy.
How you can simply dismiss and diminish the hard work that some players have put in with getting comfortable with some of the more established decks is beyond me. Just why is it breaking the rules? How does it go against SoTG? I fail to see your logic in anyway, shape, or form.
I have nothing against people that play rogue decks, I like seeing new decks pop up and do well. I loved the idea of Magnezone/Regirock. But, come tournament time, people go with what they believe they'll go far with, and most of the time, that's an archetype. What I do have a problem with is the attitude that you seem to possess, which can be summed up with the help of the famous Waterboy line: "(ARCHETYPES) ARE THE DEVIL."
Seriously, quit condemning those that decide they want to play archetypes. There's absolutely no reason for it.
I respect this guy, I wish I could thank that, so thank you
prodigal_fanboy
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Just offering my two cents.
butlerforhire
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Vaporeon should go start a new thread entitled "Ways to approach losing the game."
Vaporeon, you don't play Pokemon-- you play a game of your own invention. You meet the classic definition of a scrub. Go read that article that Magnechu linked. You're in it! If you have to be a scrub, at least have the decency to keep it to yourself. Stop trying to preach to the non-scrubs who actually play Pokemon instead of your Self-Righteous Roguemon.
The only way to approach this game as a truly competitive player is with winning as the end goal. Whether you do that with "rogue" or archetype makes no difference. You should select and build your deck based on its ability, in your mind, for it to win. If you hadn't noticed, there is no Rogue Award given out at events. You don't get wins over your opponents for simply daring to pair up Pidgeot with Vaporeon.
Vaporeon, you don't play Pokemon-- you play a game of your own invention. You meet the classic definition of a scrub. Go read that article that Magnechu linked. You're in it! If you have to be a scrub, at least have the decency to keep it to yourself. Stop trying to preach to the non-scrubs who actually play Pokemon instead of your Self-Righteous Roguemon.
The only way to approach this game as a truly competitive player is with winning as the end goal. Whether you do that with "rogue" or archetype makes no difference. You should select and build your deck based on its ability, in your mind, for it to win. If you hadn't noticed, there is no Rogue Award given out at events. You don't get wins over your opponents for simply daring to pair up Pidgeot with Vaporeon.
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