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The Reshiram/Emboar deck discussion


Wuz up Poke Gym!! Well, the deck has gone through some changes since the last format. Like the added defense of Eviolite/Rocky Helmet, utilizing the Twins engine early to get set up, due to early game KO's and using Emboar #19 more to knock off bigger Pokemon. I recently competed at a city championship and I went 2-5. Now that's no indication of how well the deck performed in the games, because it ran very well. The only things that really hurt it were weaknesses, trainer lock, damage counters and Pokemon Catcher. These are things that can happen in the game that players really can't avoid.

With the way the meta was for cities, Reshiboar became sort of a rogue deck. It has the ability to burn Durant and Cobalion decks. With Emboar #19, it can KO every single big threat in the format, including the dragons with Eviolite. And Reshiram is big enough to take care of the rest. So here's the new and improved deck from cities...... Blue-Eyes White Dragon!!!

Blue-Eyes White Dragon!!

Pokemon - 12
2. Emboar 20 BLW
1. Emboar 19 BLW
2. Pignite BLW
3. Tepig BLW
2. Reshiram BLW
1. Reshiram Promo
1. Manaphy UL

Trainers - 34
4. Pokemon Collector
3. Professor Juniper
4. Professor Oak's New Theory
2. Fisherman
2. Professor Elm's Training Method
2. Twins
1. Flowershop lady/Super Rod

2. Energy Retrieval
2. Pokemon Communication
2. Eviolite
2. Pokemon Catcher
2. Junk Arm
3. Rare Candy
3. Switch

Energy - 14
11 Fire Energy
2 Rescue Energy
1 Double Colorless Energy

What? No Cleffa,

That's right. Cleffa getting sniped, and donked and not waking up when you want her to are the reasons why she isn't played in the deck right now. The deck already draws crazy good with Professor Juniper, and Professor Oak's New Theory, so Cleffa isn't needed. Manaphy takes Cleffa's place as a drawing basic in this deck. It' doesn't fall asleep and protect you though and it draws 1 less card, but with it's HP it can stay out longer, which is what you want in the long run.

Pokemon Catcherl?

Sure, other players will play them, and bring up my Emboar, or pre-evolved forms and KO them, but that's where Rescue Energy shines. I can easily get my lines back up and running within a turn, or 2. Plus, I can play Switch and pull my Pokemon back to my bench. Of course I can use them on my opponent as well to disrupt them too. Especially since Reshiram hits for 120, and Emboar 19 hits for 150. Once I bring up something, it's getting KO'ed immediately.

Why Rescue Energy?

I already explained this. It saves my Emboar and it's pieces from going to the Discard Pile. If they do go, other pieces could be prized, or I don't have a Tepig on my bench, so I'll have to search out 1 from the deck. That means I will be a turn slower in getting it out, and that's bad when your opponent can Reversal/Catcher your pieces before you can do anything. So, Rescue Energy is a life saver.

Questions?

With cities almost being over, the next set will bring out new Pokemon for this deck to use. Reshiram EX has been revealed and it's a perfect fit for this deck. Along with a couple of Fliptini, it's looking to be one of the powerhouses of this format. What New ideas and lists do you guys think would be good with what we're going to be dealing with. We already know about some of the stuff in the next set (like Mewtwo EX), so we can start preparing now for that. Let me know what you guys think about this.

Feel free to comment and give advice on this deck. It can only get better with time. With that said, Amphy#1 out!! :smile:
 
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I would say -1 energy retrieval and +1 rare candy. The reason being is that with yanmega running around you need to be able to set up as fast as possible
 
I would say -1 energy retrieval and +1 rare candy. The reason being is that with yanmega running around you need to be able to set up as fast as possible

Hmm....... Sounds like a good idea, and I like to set up fast. They can't 1 shot Tepig anyway, and if you evolve to Pignite (100hp) Yamega still won't be able to KO it. So I'm good either way. I think I might do it, because getting it out quickly is important. I just don't know if Energy Retrieval is the right card to take out for it.

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Worlds are in the middle august and emergins powers comes out on 31
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Yes, I know that. So, what are you trying to say? You can be real with me, so tell me what you really want to say.
 
Have you thought of adding Stantler? Have you thought of adding the other Ninetails? It's first attack is pretty good. Have you considered Fisherman? You might want to tech Dodrio against Vileplume/Muk.
 
Hmm....... Sounds like a good idea, and I like to set up fast. They can't 1 shot Tepig anyway, and if you evolve to Pignite (100hp) Yamega still won't be able to KO it. So I'm good either way. I think I might do it, because getting it out quickly is important. I just don't know if Energy Retrieval is the right card to take out for it.

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Yes, I know that. So, what are you trying to say? You can be real with me, so tell me what you really want to say.
hmmm.....


No EP=No Catcher.
 
Yes, I know that. So, what are you trying to say? You can be real with me, so tell me what you really want to say.

That the title is not right. It's still pre-catcher.

Besides that, I see the deck very consistent, but if it's gonna be post-catcher you are gonna need 4 rescue energy. With 2 you don't get so far and not only tepig will fall. Try add 2 more and removing 1 pp and 1 juniper. I think those PlusPower are for mirror or Zekrom, in that case you just don't attack or go with 150 Emboar. Non attacking sounds crazy but I don't think your opponent will attack after that.
Juniper is a GREAT card, but having 3 in a deck just increased the chances of having 2 in a hand and can't play them, and if you don't get them on the same hands you are draw 7 new cards from your deck and that reduces the size of the deck so much (3 juniper = 21 cards from a 47 start deck)
 
Have you thought of adding Stantler? Have you thought of adding the other Ninetails? It's first attack is pretty good. Have you considered Fisherman? You might want to tech Dodrio against Vileplume/Muk.

I'm sorry, but Stantler, and the other Ninetales suck. I have 2 Fisherman in both decks already, and I run 2 Switches, and 3 Junk Arm, so I don't need Dodrio.

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hmmm.....


No EP=No Catcher.

Come on dude. Do I really have to explain myself here?............ NO. You figure it out ok. You're a big boy right? So you should be able to do that. Maybe.....

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That the title is not right. It's still pre-catcher.

Besides that, I see the deck very consistent, but if it's gonna be post-catcher you are gonna need 4 rescue energy. With 2 you don't get so far and not only tepig will fall. Try add 2 more and removing 1 pp and 1 juniper. I think those PlusPower are for mirror or Zekrom, in that case you just don't attack or go with 150 Emboar. Non attacking sounds crazy but I don't think your opponent will attack after that.
Juniper is a GREAT card, but having 3 in a deck just increased the chances of having 2 in a hand and can't play them, and if you don't get them on the same hands you are draw 7 new cards from your deck and that reduces the size of the deck so much (3 juniper = 21 cards from a 47 start deck)

DUDE!! All you've got to do, is take out Catcher for Reversal, and You can play it in this format. How hard is that? :nonono: Also, since This deck can beat all of the top decks at Nats, it should be perfect for someone to use it at worlds. That's legit dog.

Maybe 3 Rescue. Deck space is tight. What abour when I don't have out Emboar 19? what then? And Juniper stays. That's my girl, and I'm not ditching her for anybody. :lol: Really, that's my draw power you're talking about. I don't have Ninetales in my deck, and I need my girl by my side. (grinning) And I know how to work with Juniper without it hurting me too bad. That's just like a hot girl right? You've got to give up a little bit, to get something. That's real. And reducing my deck is a great thing!! I love it, and I love my Juniper. :smile:
 
I simply stated that when we have no Emerging Powers, then we have no Catcher. You stated that you would use Catcher for worlds in this deck. Come on dude. Do I really have to explain myself any further here?............ NO. You should be able to figure it out. You're a little boy right? So you should be able to do that. Possibly.....
 
If Juniper and PONT give you everything you need, why waste space on Ninetails?
Cleffa is too good to pass up, id run atleast one in any deck...your never going to always get the hand you want.

Also, since you are taking everyone's advice so well, I figure ill give you honesty. This does NOT beat everything that was at nats, at all..as you say, "that's legit dog."
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I simply stated that when we have no Emerging Powers, then we have no Catcher. You stated that you would use Catcher for worlds in this deck. Come on dude. Do I really have to explain myself any further here?............ NO. You should be able to figure it out. You're a little boy right? So you should be able to do that. Possibly.....

NO I didn't You must have misunderstood what I was trying to say in the article. Now you know we can't play Catcher yet. Was there a reason to even Mention that? Or did you just fill the need to try to criticize, and correct every little thing. If I made a mistake, I'm sorry, but I know I didn't. Just forget about it, because it's not even worth discussing anymore.

Oh, please read my signature. I'm a Gym Leader, so I'm not a kid. Koodos for trying to counter me with the words I used on you in my last post. :lol: I like to have some fun every once in a while, so I'll sometimes post some crazy stuff. I think you're the only one who is really worried about something that is not even a factor in our meta yet.

If yo have any real comments, ideas, or complaints about the decks, please feel free to post them. :smile:

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If Juniper and PONT give you everything you need, why waste space on Ninetails?
Cleffa is too good to pass up, id run atleast one in any deck...your never going to always get the hand you want.

Also, since you are taking everyone's advice so well, I figure ill give you honesty. This does NOT beat everything that was at nats, at all..as you say, "that's legit dog."
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I don't play Ninetales. If you look at my OP, I have 2 decklists up there. I considered playing with 1, but I needed that space for something else more useful, so I took em out. If you read My OP I said it beats the top Decks at Nats. That's not everything is it?

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Playtest against Vileplume/Muk at least. I would add Flowershop Lady.

Ok. If I get the chance tomorrow, I will. I run 4 Reshiram, and I use Rescue Energies for my 3 Emboar. I think I'm good atm.

I know how good VileMuk can be, so thanks for the heads up. This has been some of the best advice I've gotten so far. Thanks for the post. :smile:
 
The top decks are everything...I was implying this list cannot beat them. I've tested your build, was surprised at how consistant it was, but at the end of the day, it lost.
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The top decks are everything...I was implying this list cannot beat them. I've tested your build, was surprised at how consistant it was, but at the end of the day, it lost.
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Sorry, but they're not everything. They're not Vile/muk, Magneboar, ZPS, DonChamp etc..... It should be able to beat them.

Anyway, how, and why do you think it lost against the decks you playtested against it? What decks did you use to playtest against it? And what would you do to make it better? Please post some of this stuff, because it could be very helpful, not only to me, but other players who may want to play this deck. Let me know whats up, and get back to me.
 
I would add Manaphy.

Hand shuffle is incredibly important. It saves games very often. Manaphy also does not get donked.


Secondly, I would suggest Numel. For 1 colorless, you discard an energy from your hand and draw 3 cards. Simple, effective, cheap, hard-to-donk.
 
I was wondering, what's your League and Metagame records for this deck?

In league, I beat Zekrom 2-3 times, Donchamp once. I lost a close game to TyRam due to a misplay. I only won 2 games my first BR's this season, because a lot of people played VileGar. and I was just unlucky that day. The next one I went 3-2 and did better, because VileGar died down. I went 4-1 my last BR's coming up short of topping at 5th place (I have a report on it) I played against Vileplume/Yamega, and Magneboar, at a local tournament before Nats. I lost to VileMega because I let him take back too many misplays, and I lost to Magneboar, because I was unlucky to draw anything good in time to beat her. when I finally did draw good, it was too late.

I played a free game against Magneboar after that tournament. I got set up, drew pretty good, and I won. I knew that my deck do well against the proclaimed BDIF at the time. I just wish I was that lucky in the tournament.

Also, This deck ran 3-4 Spiritomb/Cleffa in it back then in those games. I also didn't have Junk Arms, or Reversals, which could have changed the tide a little bit. I hope to get some playtesting done tonight at league. I'll post my results so you can see them.
 
That's great to hear. I'm not sure how I'd feel about running a full set of Energy Retrieval. I suppose I should try it out myself.
 
Ok guys!! I'm back with my league report.

Tonight was a great night for me, and it got better as the night went on. One of my longtime friends stopped by league tonight to play, and chat with us before he goes off to college. So the first competitive deck I play against, is DonChamp. I start out with Reshiram active, and no back row. I open with my girl Juniper in my hand and some other good stuff. He starts with a Phanphy. So I go first, and attach an energy, play Communication for a Tepig, and pass. He plays a energy on Phanphy, Collector's, and passes, since I needed to do do damage to it for rage. I draw and Play my girl, and get a Reshi, tepig, Collector, energy, Communication, and 2 other cards. I play my energy, and do 20 to Phanphy.

A couple of tuns pass and he gets 3 energy on his phanpy. He evolves to Donphan, and Machamp Prime. He attaches an energy for the turn, does Fighting tag, and does 110 to my active Reshiram. I draw, then I comeback with outrage, for 130 and get the KO. He sends out Donphan, and earthquakes me for the KO. He has a full bench, so I know if he gets out another champ, it's going to do be doing up to 150 for a while. So I send out Reshiram with no energy. At this point, my hand is pretty bad, so I hope to draw something that will help me..... I get a DCE, and attach it to Reshiram and hit him back for 60. He goes, and hits me for 60 more. Then I go and KO it with outrage. He has a Machamp by this time, and just does 60 for the KO ON Reshi. I still don't have a great hand, so I send up another Reshi, with no energies, and pass. Champ buster KO 140. Another reshi no energy pass. Champ buster KO. At this point I'm ready to scoop. He has KO'ed all 4 of my Reshis, so I send out a lonely Tepig, with no energy. The only thing I had on my bench, was Emboar 20. I draw into Professor Juniper!! My girl comes through for me,and I draw God!! I get Rare Candy, an energy, Energy Retrieval, Pokemon Comunication, Bouffalant, Rescue Energy, and something else. I evolve to Emboar 19 and Flare Blitz his Machamp for 150!! I literally took Juniper out of the discard pile, and kissed it twice. to make a long story short, He was never able to KO my Emboar. He tries to reversal up stuff to KO it with his last donphan. I send up Emboar 19, with no energy on it. I topdeck into a fisherman!! I got 4 energies, Inferno Fandango, and KO his last donphan. Some how, I had come from behind to tie it up to 1 prize each. His last play he sends out Phanphy with 3 counters on it, takes a risk, and Junk Arms a Machamp Prime to the Discard pile for Reversal. He plays it and fails. Now I topdeck into Oak, and my last card was Energy Retrival. So I play it and and attack and win the game.

That was the most epic game ever!! Don't worry, it get's better. The next competitive deck I play against is Yamega/Donphan/Zoroark. Again, I start with Reshi, and my girl Juniper ( I'm going to marry her :biggrin:). I attach a energy, Communicate for a Tepig, and pass. He attaches energy to a Zoroa on the bench, Copycats then pass. I draw and I attached a energy to Reshi, and outrage. He evolves to Yamega, Prime, copycat's and Reversals up pignite, and does 70. I play switch, and bring out reshi. I attach an energy, and Blue Flare for 120. To make a long story short, later on in the game, he finally gets a Judge, and I shuffle my good hand into my deck. I get lucky, and get what I need with the 4 cards. I play down Emboar 20 onto Pignite, Inferno Fandango, and KO Yamega Prime with blue flare. My hand after that was terrible. I had 2 Communications, and 2 Junk arms, and all I kept drawing was energies for 4 strait turns. I was ok, because he couldn't KO me while this was going on. I draw in to a Retrival, then into a Fisherman, and I use both in an attempt to expect a Judge on his turn. One never came. It was a Copycat and I took a sigh of relief. He KO's Emboar 20 again with Rescue Energy on it, and I'm left with a Pignite, and Tepig. so I sent out my lonely Tepig once again!! I top deck into a DCE, and attach it to Tepig. I play Pokemon Collector, get Reshi, and Bouffalant. I then play Communication, and send back bouffy for Emboar 19. I evolve the Pignite on the bench to Emboar 20, Rare Candy to Emboar 19 (active). Since I fishermaned the turn before, I had plenty of fuel for Emboar. so I attach 2, and Flare Blitz Yamega Prime for 150. He was never able to KO my Emboar from there, but he did reversal up Tepig for his second to last prize. I sent out Emboar, attached 2 energies with the Spanish dance, and do 150 ftw!!

I can't believe my luck tonight. I guess my deck has a good come from behind rate. It was consistent in getting Reshi and my girl, on the first turn. Despite not getting collector on the first turn, I was able to set up by turn 3 and get things rolling. The stars of tonight were Emboar 19, and my girl Professor Juniper. I don't know what I would do without her, or my Emboar. the end. :smile:
 
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