Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Werewolf xvi the rise of team plasma: Town wins

DragonClyne725 said:
Might as well throw my cards in. I am Brycen of the Icirrus Gym. It's pretty chill, being an Ice trainer and all, but the cool part of it is that I picked up the PokeBall dropped in the Begin Night 3 Update. It contained a Woobat (code name: little birdie). I can use it to follow someone around and get any information it finds.
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So....is everyone role-revealing now?
 
The woobat thing doesn't help us. He could be a wolf and still pick it up. That said, unless someone can counter-claim, guess he's off the hook.
 
Wow, alot has happened since I last posted. Until Napoleon confirms or debunks KP's role, it seems like our seer has revealed himself. Since I don't feel Jason has done enough to have me drop my vote, it will stay. I do think that as a town we should definitely help KP pick his next target, and we should get the priest to protect him, since he is likely to be the best kill target for the wolves.

I will start the discussion on who we should ask our seer to investigate. I think it should definitely be one of the people who did vote for Sandslash7. It seems like Dragonclyne725 may very well be the lynch target tonight, so that would leave us with:

AbsolTrainer
Diaz
DragonClyne725
PMysterious
Scottistru
Jellyfisher
Son_of_Apollo
PokechampOfPokebeach
Redados1


I don't believe it to be AbsolTrainer due to him ultimately outing a powerful wolf. Sandslash7 could of been scared of someone else noticing and told AbsolTrainer to do this, but I find it highly unlikely on only Day 2. Diaz seemed to be targeted night one by wolves. Once again I don't think the wolves would of done that to throw the town off. I don't really have much to add to DragonClyne725 that other have not said. Pmysterious has been playing bad the whole game and I think would be a decent seer target. Scottistru and Jellyfisher has not posted anything that screamed out scum to me that I can remember. I do admit I have alot of rereading to do though. Son_of_Apollo and PCPB have both claimed to be gym leaders that nobody has counterclaimed yet, so I feel they are town for now. Lastly is Redados1 who was called town by our possible seer and has already been seered. So that ultimately leaves me with Pmysterious, Scottistru and Jellyfisher as our leading seer targets. If I had to pick one though, it would be Pmysterious due to his bad play.

Discuss :D
 
@ Dragonclyne:

I can believe that. We have already established that Redados1 isn't from the LotR universe. While I had my doubts initially, I do believe you that it was an honest mistake. While I think you've made some questionable plays, to me your name-claim and the fact that you're asking for confirmation from Redados1 makes me believe you are town.

Unvote: Dragonclyne

So it really comes down to what was probably the inevitable conclusion anyway: PMysterious or Scottistru?

On the one hand, PMysterious has been posting awfully from day 1 and has not ceased his beyond illogical arguments. He could be a Werewolf or he could be a really illogical townsperson.

Then we have Scottistru. Had a relatively fine day 1, day 2 he starts jumping on people for bad reasons. In many ways, his case is similar to PMysterious'.

I think I will wait to hear a defense from them.
 
We've only got about 6 hours left. Let's make 'em count.

@desufnoc: Um, how are we going to have him pick his next target and priest him at the same time, as the priest usually role blocks?
 
I had noticed things like that too pokechamp. Seems to be a pretty common theme during the first day. Leaning towards voting Scott. I'll leave him some time to defend himself, or at least say something
 
@ KP: Thanks for the bump, but my research hasn't yielded any more results yet. SS7 notably did cast a vote against Scottistru, although not immediately after the infraction. He only cast a vote after the votes began to pile up on Scottistru. I recommend looking at everything from beyond this post:

http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2239278&postcount=627

That post is Jellyfisher's awesome case against Scottistru. I encourage everyone to look at the post and to do their own research, I think by analyzing Scottistru's posts and the posts of others at the time of his infractions, we can come to a better conclusion.

Anyway, back to my research!
 
So my internet is acting up (stupid Verizon...), I'm just going to vote now.

Vote: Scottistrue

The arguments against him are rather large, and his playing has been extremely shoddy.
 
Diaz said:
The woobat thing doesn't help us. He could be a wolf and still pick it up.
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And that's why I felt I had to lay all my cards down. If I had come out and had only said I had the Woobat, that wouldn't have done anything to help prove myself.


As for Scottistru,
Scottistru said:
Right now, I can only post to say I will be away from a computer for Monday and Tuesday. Then on Wednesday, I may be able to get to a computer for no more than 45 minutes to drop in with a vote, I'm still working on it.
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I'll be putting my vote on ice until he manages to post some sort of defense.
 
Scottistru said:
Wow, lots of developments overnight. First, I suppose this is somewhat pointless now with all the new leads.
unvote: prohawk
Second, great find absol. However, I suggest we impose a time limit on SS7 to respond, because, he could definitely lurk until Monday night, then drop a claim to leave the town scrambling. I suggest everyone post the following:
SandSlash7, you have until midnight on Sunday to post a response to absoltrainer's accusation, or you will be voted without question​
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This does appear to be pretty strong at first, but on closer examination, it appears to be a somewhat open-ended threat. He does unvote Prohawk and he bites SS7's hand a bit, but he doesn't cast a vote. He instead threatens to vote "without question" if SS7 doesn't respond to Absoltrainer's claims.

I'd like to hear people's thoughts on this.
 
PokeChampofPokeBeach said:
This does appear to be pretty strong at first, but on closer examination, it appears to be a somewhat open-ended threat. He does unvote Prohawk and he bites SS7's hand a bit, but he doesn't cast a vote. He instead threatens to vote "without question" if SS7 doesn't respond to Absoltrainer's claims.

I'd like to hear people's thoughts on this.
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If he is wolf, then he is doing his best to try and pull the suspicions off of him by attacking another wolf. It is possible that the wolves decided to use the fact that SS7 was probably going to go under to pull the suspicion off of him.
 
It is very unlikely that Scott is a wolf.

Wolves want to avoid ties with wolves, regardless of whether they are positive or negative. It is very unlikely that SS7 from previous games in which he played wolf would form ties with non-wolves.
 
PokeChampofPokeBeach said:
This does appear to be pretty strong at first, but on closer examination, it appears to be a somewhat open-ended threat. He does unvote Prohawk and he bites SS7's hand a bit, but he doesn't cast a vote. He instead threatens to vote "without question" if SS7 doesn't respond to Absoltrainer's claims.

I'd like to hear people's thoughts on this.
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This is some pretty chill stuff you're finding. We do have to keep in mind, though, that wolves can communicate outside of the game. If Scottistru HAD in fact wanted to tell SS7 to get his act straight (and vise versa), it probably would have been a lot easier and safer to just send him a PM or something.

However, I do see your point. He goes from this:
Scottistru said:
Wait, am I misreading this? Did he just say he didn't suspect dave, but switched to him to go with the town. Even when he seemed to strongly suspect Diaz, and was pushing his lynch, but switched his vote with little reasoning, almost none of which was his. These are two of his consecutive posts, on the same page, with little happening between:

He seemed to switch to dave to "turn the tide" to someone from someone he believed to be suspicious, because he wanted to "trust in most of the consensus.
Unvote: sdrawkcab.
Vote: ProHawk
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Goes on to provide more evidence against ProHawk in both posts #699 and #710, then drops his vote on ProHawk once SS7 is brought out, saying that his suspicions were "somewhat pointless now with all the new leads." It does sound fishy when brought to light
 
JewelQuest said:
If he is wolf, then he is doing his best to try and pull the suspicions off of him by attacking another wolf. It is possible that the wolves decided to use the fact that SS7 was probably going to go under to pull the suspicion off of him.
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Exactly my point JQ, this is precisely what I think went down. To further solidify the point, I would like to bring up the post Scott made before SS7 posted this:

Sandslash7 said:
#900

Scott. Fantastic.

That is how to make an argument. And I'm not saying that because you "called me on it."


That is how you dissect an argument. Wonderful job. Now let me refute it. :p
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The "praise post" I had brought up earlier. I quote it again because I want to show you the post SS7 is praising...

Scottistru said:
Ok, Sandslash7, lets just back away from the role debate on who you are, because there's really no way we can prove it one way or another. Lets just look at your playstyle under pressure, and ignore roles, seeing as you always seem to be asking people to do that. The point I'd like to make right now is the way in which you are refuting AT's argument, compared to both other scum in other games, as well as your past self. First, the tone of your post. No matter what you say, it still comes off as attacking to me.


I get if you dislike his argument, but this seems repetitive and like you are trying to scare absol off his current lead.
Now, I get some people just do this when under pressure, except I happen to know you don't. When I attacked you last game, you were completely calm, even encouraging me to continue posting arguments. You didn't seem to mind my argument much because you knew you would eventually turn up as town. This game, it seems like you're trying to scare AT off his case, and straw manning his argument. You say his case is illogical because he is making assumptions, but there is nothing wrong with that. You made assumptions about dragonclyne's role, but your assumptions didn't come from nowhere. Neither did AT's. To address your list in order:

1) You are ASSUMING that Cabd's and My role are identical.
I have no idea what you mean, if you are antagonistic to cabd, as AT is arguing, of course your roles are different. Please elaborate.

2) You are ASSUMING that we are Antagonistic.
This is a reasonable assumption. There are basically two reasonable cases for the wizards. Either, the wizards are on the same side, in which case, I believe they would be masons, as it makes little sense to have two nearly identical roles and not make them masons. The other possibility is you are evil. Since we no cabd isn't a mason, the logical assumption is that you are evil.
Now, I can already see your response to this, which would be that you don't know which side you are on, and hasn't been determined yet, at which point one of the previous two would become true. However, there are two reasons this argument is invalid. First, is the fact that there is no hint whatsoever about you becoming masons. Therefore, you would be two wizards on the same side which makes little sense to me if there is no way you can work together. The second reason I don't buy your no role claim is your impediment. Cabd's impediment was based off of his name. What is yours based off of? What reason was given for the impediment? There is always a reason given, and I especially believe so in your case because cabd was given a reason(e.g. steelix: because you are a bit slow, you may only post two lines per post). Your role didn't just say you must post a color every post. It gave a reason. So what did it say?

3) You are ASSUMING that I meant anything by my comment OTHER THAN what I said it meant.
Eh, not really important, and doesn't really matter to the case. As far as I'm concerned it just meant wizard.

4) You are ASSUMING that the LOTR roles in this game are different than the movies, while being similar.
Not really following on this one, could you quote where this was said?

You didn't play like this against me. You were completely calm, and you honestly thought through what I was saying and addressed the logic in in. Address the logic in AT's argument, not the fallacies. Ignore the minor faults and defend everything.

Finally, what did you mean by this.
IF I can become Saruman, that gives you all the more reason to PROTECT ME, not vote for me. Hence why I said a Priest might be better than a Seer.

Please elaborate.
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This is what Scott posted after he had voted for SS7 already. SS7 actually praised this and I think it was to make Scott look good because they knew SS7 was on the edge of being lynched.

The chain of events (which you may look up from the link I posted):

-Scott jumps on Backwards.
-Scott unvotes and votes Prohawk
-SS7 bites his hand to make him self look better in the event of a Scottistru lynch
-SS7 also encourages Scott to play better in the same post
-SS7 drops hint of being seer
-Backwards points out the hint
-jpulice fires at Backwards for revealing the seer cookie
-SS7 and Scottistru both cast votes for Backwards (whom we know was town)
-Absoltrainer correctly hypothesizes that SS7 is Saruman the White.
-Scott threatens SS7 with a vote, but notably does not vote
-Scott seems to disappear from the discussion suddenly...
-Scott comes back and votes when it becomes apparent SS7 was most likely going to be lynched
-After he votes, Scott posts the post I just referenced
-SS7, knowing death is most likely inevitable, praises Scott's post to make him look good

Thoughts?
 
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