Bolded is the reason you got my thanks. On topic, Japan makes the rules, pshaw of course not then they'd have it in Japan, I mean that's my opinion....
Worlds should be east west US yearly
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Bolded is the reason you got my thanks. On topic, Japan makes the rules, pshaw of course not then they'd have it in Japan, I mean that's my opinion....
A few points:
-US Nats makes little difference to players in the western world outside the US whose nationals are immensely smaller.
-Worlds in the NYC area would have one other important advantage: The show is dubbed there. At least some of the voice actors/musicians who work on the show would be available to appear/perform songs/sign autographs.
-Personally, I think the threat of East coast natural disaster is overestimated. It might be higher than other locations, but I do think the odds of having to cancel worlds are low enough to not be a major factor.
One of the issues with all of this is that there are both subjective (comfort, atmosphere, etc), and objective measures (cost, travel time, etc.). It's not really possible to appropriately weigh these against each other (though I do think there is value in bringing them up).
-US Nats makes little difference to players in the western world outside the US whose nationals are immensely smaller.
-Worlds in the NYC area would have one other important advantage: The show is dubbed there. At least some of the voice actors/musicians who work on the show would be available to appear/perform songs/sign autographs.
-Personally, I think the threat of East coast natural disaster is overestimated. It might be higher than other locations, but I do think the odds of having to cancel worlds are low enough to not be a major factor.
One of the issues with all of this is that there are both subjective (comfort, atmosphere, etc), and objective measures (cost, travel time, etc.). It's not really possible to appropriately weigh these against each other (though I do think there is value in bringing them up).
Why not make it in LA, Newyork, or some other really justifiable spot. Because a lot of the reason a lot of people are not willing to invest. Because parents don't want to spend $1000+ on a Pokemon tournament that the child might get kicked out on day one. Not dissing Hawaii but its OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN! And if u do get kicked out day one u better hoped u packed those swim trucks while wondering about ur deck. U know somewhere the whole family will fancy.
psychup2034
New Member
Wildwood, NJ is clearly the best city in the U.S., and by far the best choice for Worlds. Don't hate on Wildwood!
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Hawaii is closer to Japan. Worlds is designed to be exclusive. Neither Los Angeles nor New York is as justifiable as Hawaii.
Additionally, I live in New York, and I can personally say that New York is a terrible location for Worlds. Traffic is terrible, hotel costs are more expensive than Hawaii, renting a convention center space or a hotel conference room would be ridiculously expensive, and on top of that, it's not even close to Japan.
Moreover, as you alluded to, Hawaii is a great vacation spot!
A few individuals keep making the claim that the United States has the bigger player base citing National attendance as their proof, I'm getting tired of reading the argument without seeing the data behind it. If you look at each county individually the Untied States is the biggest (With maybe the exception of Japan). How ever if you compare Europe with the United States you find something interesting.
Before I bring up the data about Europe I want to respond to anyone who may think that it is not fair to lump all the European countries together. European Countries are small in size and population and are comparable to US states. Due to this Europeans players sometimes go across their borders to play in other (non-nationals events). European Organized Play even has events that they market as Intl Events (I.E- Prague Cup, ECC, European Prof Cup). As such these are the reasons I am lumping all the the European countries together to compare their player base with the United States.
All data taken from Jason's Nationals thread and a few other reports here on the Gym.
Country JR SR MA TOTAL
Belgium 4 8 21 33
Switzerland 6 21 24 51
Sweden 8 11 26 45
Austria 11 19 28 58
Finland 11 22 60 93
Czech Republic 14 17 47 78
Denmark 17 13 47 77
Netherlands 19 43 92 154
Italy 27 22 92 141
UK 36 39 81 156
Germany 38 68 165 271
France 55 40 113 208
Malta ?
Norway ?
Poland ?
Portugal ?
Spain ?
Russia ?
Greece ?
Junior Total- 246
Senior Total- 323
Master Total- 796
Europe Total- 1365
Compared to the USA
Junior Total- 180
Senior Total- 322
Master Total- 1005
USA Total- 1507
As you can see even with 7 countries (with OP in their country) missing from the European data above the USA has a bigger attendance by just less then 150. When those question marks get filled in that 150 gets alot smaller. Whatever the gap is between Europe/United States whether it is 150, 50 or even if there is a difference where Europe has 50 more than the United States, we can wonder if this 150, 50, or what ever the number is, is even significant? In my opinion it is not. To everyone who thinks the United States has a bigger player base and is using attendance of nationals to back the claim, ^there is the data.
In hindsight does it really matter who has the bigger player base in the eyes of P!P, maybe. Is it the only factor they consider when picking a worlds location, probably not. Everyone needs to stop having selfish egocentric attitudes and just live with where ever worlds is and realize that worlds may not always be the easiest place for you to access.
Before I bring up the data about Europe I want to respond to anyone who may think that it is not fair to lump all the European countries together. European Countries are small in size and population and are comparable to US states. Due to this Europeans players sometimes go across their borders to play in other (non-nationals events). European Organized Play even has events that they market as Intl Events (I.E- Prague Cup, ECC, European Prof Cup). As such these are the reasons I am lumping all the the European countries together to compare their player base with the United States.
All data taken from Jason's Nationals thread and a few other reports here on the Gym.
Country JR SR MA TOTAL
Belgium 4 8 21 33
Switzerland 6 21 24 51
Sweden 8 11 26 45
Austria 11 19 28 58
Finland 11 22 60 93
Czech Republic 14 17 47 78
Denmark 17 13 47 77
Netherlands 19 43 92 154
Italy 27 22 92 141
UK 36 39 81 156
Germany 38 68 165 271
France 55 40 113 208
Malta ?
Norway ?
Poland ?
Portugal ?
Spain ?
Russia ?
Greece ?
Junior Total- 246
Senior Total- 323
Master Total- 796
Europe Total- 1365
Compared to the USA
Junior Total- 180
Senior Total- 322
Master Total- 1005
USA Total- 1507
As you can see even with 7 countries (with OP in their country) missing from the European data above the USA has a bigger attendance by just less then 150. When those question marks get filled in that 150 gets alot smaller. Whatever the gap is between Europe/United States whether it is 150, 50 or even if there is a difference where Europe has 50 more than the United States, we can wonder if this 150, 50, or what ever the number is, is even significant? In my opinion it is not. To everyone who thinks the United States has a bigger player base and is using attendance of nationals to back the claim, ^there is the data.
In hindsight does it really matter who has the bigger player base in the eyes of P!P, maybe. Is it the only factor they consider when picking a worlds location, probably not. Everyone needs to stop having selfish egocentric attitudes and just live with where ever worlds is and realize that worlds may not always be the easiest place for you to access.
baby mario
Front Page Article Editor<br><a href="http://pokeg
Do we have attendance numbers from Japan to compare?
If the US got 10 actual invites total (not per division) like the Japanese do, and Worlds was held in Japan, I wonder if we would see more Japanese than Americans at Worlds?
@LOLZ - Norway Nats 2012
JR - 16
SR - 25
MA - 57
Total -98
waynegg
CotD Editor<br>Forum Moderator
A relative award really (full library of Congress article):
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Now you can almost see the sand!!
Ozone isn't really pollution as it's naturally occurring (wiki):
Ozone ( /ˈoʊzoʊn/; O3), or trioxygen, is a triatomic molecule, consisting of three oxygen atoms. It is an allotrope of oxygen that is much less stable than the diatomic allotrope (O2), breaking down with a half life of about half an hour in the lower atmosphere, to normal dioxygen. Ozone is formed from dioxygen by the action of ultraviolet light and also atmospheric electrical discharges, and is present in low concentrations throughout the Earth's atmosphere. In total, ozone makes up only 0.6 parts per million of the atmosphere.
Apparently, there's .5 parts per million of the Earth's atmosphere in Houston...
pokesam128
New Member
nope it was just during hurricain season so not safe
Thank you baby mario. Updated Europe vs USA Nats Numbers. Difference of 44
Junior Total-262
Senior Total- 348
Master Total- 853
Europe Total- 1463
Compared to the USA
Junior Total- 180
Senior Total- 322
Master Total- 1005
USA Total- 1507
JandPDS
New Member
Yes but to accurate you need to throw in the totals from Canada and Mexico in with the US so you can compare North America Region wiht the European Region.
about the location....anyone remembers a thread in the worlds section of the forums a couple years back where a location discussion was and someone,i dont know who told us that the location for worlds is already set for the next 3 years and that they have contracts with the hilton for them?
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psychup2034
New Member
Ironically, I used to live in Sugarland, TX (for 2 years). I went to Garcia Middle School. :lol:
Also, Europe has roughly 750 million people. The U.S. has just over 300 million. I'd be shocked if Europe has less players than the U.S. I do believe that the number of Worlds spots allocated per region is approximately commensurate with the size of the player base, indicating that Europe has more players than the U.S. (Although, the extra 10 spots may be given to Europe because the winners of the many National Championships in Europe may be grinching invites.)
On a related note, I'd love to travel to a Europe for Worlds sometime, although it seems unlikely that it will happen in the near future.
NoPoke
Active Member
I'd be shocked if Europe's player base was more than the USA's due to economic factors. FWIW Western Europe's population is around 400 million - comparable to the USA.
...the pokemon.com site reveals...
https://www.pokemon.com/uk/account/...earch&location=-10&type=&cycle=9&page_1=646#1
https://www.pokemon.com/uk/account/...Search&location=-9&type=&cycle=9&page_1=160#1
4:1 ratio for ranked players. I expect Europe has a lot of league only players but not enough to make that 4:1 ratio into 1:1
...the pokemon.com site reveals...
https://www.pokemon.com/uk/account/...earch&location=-10&type=&cycle=9&page_1=646#1
https://www.pokemon.com/uk/account/...Search&location=-9&type=&cycle=9&page_1=160#1
4:1 ratio for ranked players. I expect Europe has a lot of league only players but not enough to make that 4:1 ratio into 1:1
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King Piplup
Active Member
But not as often as the East Coast will have hurricanes.
baby mario
Front Page Article Editor<br><a href="http://pokeg
It's not my logic (or anyone else's on here). It's whoever runs Pokemon in Japan's logic
And that isn't up for debate. It's their game and what they say goes.
Why, Wildwood NJ, of course!
I think it would be cool to put Worlds in different national capitals rather than San Diego and Kona. Yes I understand the locations having certain exclusivity to them, but here would be my reasoning:
Each country would have a chance to host Worlds. You have a rotating list of countries that CAN hold it, and cycle through them. If a country doesn't feel safe/financially available they simply do not use the country. I feel even locals know when to say "Oh yeah we have a high crime rate we should probably pass." I've never been, but I think it would be fun to be able to look forward to going to a different spot each year. Yup I'm going to say I'm 4hrs from DC so there is some "Wouldn't it be nice if..." to what I say.
Each country would have a chance to host Worlds. You have a rotating list of countries that CAN hold it, and cycle through them. If a country doesn't feel safe/financially available they simply do not use the country. I feel even locals know when to say "Oh yeah we have a high crime rate we should probably pass." I've never been, but I think it would be fun to be able to look forward to going to a different spot each year. Yup I'm going to say I'm 4hrs from DC so there is some "Wouldn't it be nice if..." to what I say.
dialga master
Member
I can't go cuse its in hawaii. Im sad about that. I could go if it were in the continental US.
However... I hear from my friend that worlds is just so much better in hawaii. The hotel compound is more 'secluded' and it sounds a lot more fun than in san diego. I personally like how they seems to be switching from SD/Hawaii every year. That way it gives those who couldn't go to hawaii a chance, and also lets it be more extravagant one year for those who can go.
However... I hear from my friend that worlds is just so much better in hawaii. The hotel compound is more 'secluded' and it sounds a lot more fun than in san diego. I personally like how they seems to be switching from SD/Hawaii every year. That way it gives those who couldn't go to hawaii a chance, and also lets it be more extravagant one year for those who can go.