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Computer Search and Why Both Forms Should Be Legal

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Jaeger said:
Pokemon is a business...they have costs, payrolls, and yes they want to make money. I don't get whats so hard to grasp about how a company needing to make a business decesion? They gave us decent pull ratio and didn't make Computer Search an instant "4 of" by making it an Ace.
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How exactly would this be considered a "business" decision? Your analogy is a separate issue. :thumb: I really don't think this has much if any thing to do with increased revenue from tournament players. If you believe rulings are based on a fiscal bottom line; then we're having two different discussions. I simply don't believe that. Maybe you do. Neither of us would be right or wrong until it were anonymously 'confirmed'. I maintain that this was a poor ruling based on the reasoning they gave us about the Ace Spec being a new card type. Therefore being somehow easy to confuse and confound tournament players. Which Otaku kind of dispels in post #151. At least to my personal opinion. Ace Spec isn't a new card type. It's more a new designation which applies to Deck construction. Not actual in-game play.
 
Jaeger said:
A company made a decsion to sell more product...can you really blame them? TCPI is not a Charity organization and Comp Searches are only around $20...sure its a tough pill to sallow but realize if we were playing yugioh you'd be looking at a $150 card...Pot of Duality anyone?
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Jaeger, that is a very, very dangerous line of reasoning. Just because there is a game, even a successful one, that has more expensive singles, doesn't mean anything less is 'good'; I am reminded of the job climate from when I was in High School and even when I was in college/just out of college.

Plenty of "grunt jobs" had to pay over minimum wage because better jobs were paying minimum wage. So just paying a little over minimum wage didn't make a job good, just as being less expensive than another TCG doesn't automatically make a game a better deal.

Most of us are concerned with the precedent this establishes, and the reminder of some stuff we didn't agree with that happened earlier. When you look at other information, this doesn't appear to be about the bottom line; Computer Search is the best Ace Spec now, but I really think Scramble Switch will replace it in many decks once it is out. Just too much of a combo for decks already running Max Potion. While Computer Search is indeed useful, only a few decks are seriously hurt by lacking it, so plenty of players can just "wait it out". No primary sales for it, no secondary sales for it.
 
GangnamStein said:
Wait a minute. I thought you were allowed to use base computer search because there's a reprint in bcr
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The whole point of this thread is that: No, you cannot use Computer Search from Base Set.

The ruling dictates that there are too big of changes to the basic workings of the card, and because it is significantly different, it is therefore a different card.
 
So everyone is mad because the text for both cards are 95% similar but you can't use the older print? Is there an official post by Nintendo about this?
 
GangnamStein said:
Are the official rules team community based? If so, wouldn't they understand the problem here since everyone is against it?
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If they based their rulings on what we said then we wouldn't be talking about this right now and the rules would be all over the place and would not be a fun game to play anymore.
 
GangnamStein said:
Are the official rules team community based? If so, wouldn't they understand the problem here since everyone is against it?
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If the official rules team was community based their biased would overide any officiality they had. We are lucky enough that they are on a public forum where we can communicate concerns, questions and frustrations rather than some word-of-law rule book coming out every so often telling us how it is. Just because we don't like this decision doesn't change it. Besides, this is far from the most gregious decision towards the game that the community has harped on (first turn rules for example) and certainly isn't game breaking.

But they are a team if that's the only inference you had. So they do presumabely come to decisions as a collective community.

Additionally, the Japanese players are unable to use their old Computer Searches as well, so this decision is at least consistant. Though i wish it was constantly ruled that you could use old ones, I didn't mind putting money towards a card that i would use in every deck i'll play for Cities/Winter Regs. I just would've liked them to give it a different name and cooler art if they wouldn't let us use old Comp Searches.

@solo: i disagree. I think that allowing the rules to be open season would ofcourse be chaos, but i'm absolutely confident in people like TheTopCut, Ross Cawthon, Jason K, and the like, as well as many players i just know locally could come together as a team with the community in mind and easily clean up the game, in any positon.
 
Note: The Rules Team proposes rulings questions to Pokemon R&D, as well as suggested rulings for them, but the final ruling on each and every official ruling posted in the Compendium is decided on and signed off on by Pokemon R&D.

We are authorized to make rulings off the cuff in the Ask the Rules Team forum, but those rulings are based on existing rulings and whenever a ruling calls for a new decision or we are uncertain on how Pokemon R&D would rule, we get confirmation from Pokemon R&D before making that ruling.

Bottom line, the rulings come from Pokemon. The Rules Team is merely the method of publishing those rulings.
 
Has there ever been an official statement by Pokemon that states the Rules Team is the official mouth of Pokemon here?

I would really like to see this. Otherwise, this seems very fishy to me. Im military, so EVERYTHING needs paperwork, and if there isnt, it never happened. Same concept here.

So how about this, we get a simple statement from pokemon, stating the Rules Team is the official mouth OF Pokemon. Or is that really a lot to ask for? Im not asking for rulings to change or anything of the sort, just a simple statement signed off by Pokemon stating the Rules Team is official and their word is law. Otherwise, its just an owner of a fan site that is giving out these rulings. I understand it may not be like that, but thats what it is in the end without the paperwork.
 
r3skyline said:
Has there ever been an official statement by Pokemon that states the Rules Team is the official mouth of Pokemon here?

I would really like to see this. Otherwise, this seems very fishy to me. Im military, so EVERYTHING needs paperwork, and if there isnt, it never happened. Same concept here.
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I'm not sure that Pokemon needs to be run exactly like the military, but this is probably what you are looking for

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=87622
 
Well. That answered me. Got what I needed.

So here's my advice for all now that I see pui is spoken for. Suck it up and drive on.
 
You realize this thread had been dormant for two weeks before GangnamStein posted, confused because s/he had gotten a bad ruling?

Also, if you read the whole thread you'll find that it isn't just "Wah! Wah! I can't use really old cards and have to get a new copy!" for the people concerned on this thread. While to some degree that is true for those (like myself) concerned about the ruling, there is a matter of ruling precedence/game infrastructure as well.
 
I feel like the precedents are more a matter of convenience than something Pokemon feels obliged to conform to.

The risk with all the amateur lawyering about CPU Search is that they will just turn around and say 'fine. If that's how it's going to be, then forget about any non-identical reprints being legal in future'.
 
baby mario said:
The risk with all the amateur lawyering about CPU Search is that they will just turn around and say 'fine. If that's how it's going to be, then forget about any non-identical reprints being legal in future'.
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I wish to be clear; if the Computer Search decision is a fiat decision, I can live with it. Life goes on. I can't speak for others concerned about this, but I can speak for myself. If it is based on how the "rules" work, explaining it makes it so future cards where the same circumstances occur are like "...yeah, makes sense because of X, just like with Computer Search".

If this discussion results in it being ruled that older printings of cards will no longer be legal, even if their text and names are identical:

1) That was already part of this discussion and one of the reasons player's like myself were concerned; we feared the Computer Search ruling implied this.

2) Since that was what was feared, it isn't much of a "risk".

3) If it happens, it solves two problems; a lot of people will quit complaining because we will just leave the game. :thumb:
 
Thing is that both sides of the argument seem perfectly reasonable to me.

I really wish they had just done what they did with Catcher and given the card a new name. Yeah, there was a handful of 'can I use GoW?' posts, but nothing like the fuss this has caused. They went for a bit of nostalgia instead and unfortunately made a lot of people unhappy.
 
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