I think there needs to be another product that has basic energy cards.

[Articjedi]

I only read the first page of this...

...but...

I must say, just based on the first page, shame on everyone but the OP. Obviously he is new and all everyone did was put him down because he had a good idea, but whatever, I guess that's how the internet it. I also like how the thread went off topic on the second post...


Based on some things I've seen on the first page, I'd like to point out somethings that are just...incorrect.

1. Making a product is such is an awesome idea. It doesn't even have to be a promo item and it DOES NOT have to increase the price for EVERYONE else, as the claims say. MtG and WoW both have 15 cards packs and have a lower MSRP than Pokemon. Every WoW pack has resource cards (though not needed) and every MtG pack has a basic land. Either bumping the packs to 11 cards or replacing a common for an energy every pack is an easy way to make energy easily accessible and NOT increase the price.

2. Selling "energy packs" is an amazing idea as well. If there is a legitimate fear of children being angry about getting energy instead of Pokemon, there is a really, really simple solution: don't sell them at large retail locations. In other words, sell them exclusively at local game stores, or online even. It amazes me that basic land is free at most stores and new Pokemon players are expected to pay for a starter deck to get them. I remember being happy this past year as we got tons of decks with dark energy in them. Doesn't seem like the best way to go about it.

3. Comparing MtG and Pokemon (or any other game) is NOT a bad idea, even if YOU don't like it. Collectively, as a GAME (which is why we all PLAY) and OP, MtG is light years ahead of Pokemon. If you don't understand that, you must have no desire to want to see Pokemon grow and be better. But, if comparing them is a bad idea, then lets go back to Elo. Pokemon went to the point system after seeing it excel in MtG.

To me, NOT selling energy just shows how little TPCI cares about OP...if the "kids" and "collectors" don't want the energy, then its "only" the "players" needing it, thus the reason its not available...

To quote one of my new favorite quotes: "What you do speaks so loudly, I cannot hear what you say."

You've made it very clear that you've read only the first page of the thread.

 

[Dioxide]

I think it would be best if they just put an energy card in each pack. Or bring back POP packs. Those all had at least one energy card in them. And they could put Pokemon Catchers in them.

 

[Envoyofduels]

I think it would be best if they just put an energy card in each pack. Or bring back POP packs. Those all had at least one energy card in them. And they could put Pokemon Catchers in them.

Bring Back POP packs? yes
5 card pack though imo

 

[artist92]

MTG is for 13+, which is why the more competetive items are more readily available. Pokemon is geared more toward younger children, and most kids just don't care or have a need for energies. There are a whole multitude of cheap, easy options of getting energy, so at this point I'd have to say the OP just wants to argue for the sake of argument.

 

[Duce]

9 booster packs of the latest set (Boundaries Crossed)
15 of each basic energy
10 supporters
20 item cards (Switch, Potion, etc)
A starter deck
A few Legendary Pokemon to appeal to the kids (Keldeo, B/W Kyurem)
.

Maybe cut the starter deck out, and put in 1 foil card to entice the kids. you're still getting 9 packs to make a deck from, and it could include rules for making 30 card decks (3prizes) like the old first two player starter deck did, thus the newer players get some cards, energy to make decks with and also have a base to build on.

for the supporters I'd think 2 of each (assuming 10 items) would be good enough to begin with, add in 2-3 of a few supporters and they can begin building.

hopefully those changes would drop the price a bit to be useful and appealing.

 

[psychup2034]

I only read the first page of this...

Read some of the more recent pages for a better understanding of why the OP's initial idea was shown to be terrible, and why the OP later agreed that his initial idea wasn't the best. I agree with the OP's amended suggestion that there be a deck builder's toolkit, but including 80 basic energy cards in there is not a good idea.

I must say, just based on the first page, shame on everyone but the OP. Obviously he is new and all everyone did was put him down because he had a good idea, but whatever, I guess that's how the internet it.

I must say, just based on your one post, shame on you for not reading recent comments in the thread before posting. Obviously, you don't have time to read everything and you probably should have gotten more context before you posted, but whatever, I guess that's how the internet is.

 

[EricDent]

It is a good idea, it's just that Pokemon already has stuff in place for the new people.

If you want to build a specific energy deck, then get some via your league.

Or even donations from nice people on this site.

 

[FSULugia]

Wow read like 5 pages and cant go on. Is the OP trying to make the Guinness book of World Records for the greatest internet troll ever?

The OP fails to realize that theres plenty of energy in circulation and is trying to pretend that there are 0 solutions to his problems. Bulk energy can be purchased less than 5 dollars yet the OP is trying to act like it doesnt exist.

Honestly I cant see how he can complain about buying it over the internet. I buy everything online, saves me energy and time. I dont have to go anywhere, comes straight to my mail box, no driving involved. Trollandtoad exists OP, the secondary market exists to make your life easier. These people are in business to serve people like you. They go through dozens of packs and set their business up to where the cards are as cheap as possible. You would spend more money buying energies straight from TPC. Why would you think they would sell you them cheaper than TT?

 

[signofzeta]

I thought this thread was to die, but it was brought back from the grave.

Ok, you ALL don't get what I am trying to get at here. It doesn't matter how easy or hard it is to get basic energy, the fact that they don't include them in a randomized product, and last I checked, theme decks aren't a randomized product, just shows that TPCi doesn't care about promoting the game aspect of PTCG, especially when the game is designed that basic resource cards are a REQUIREMENT to the game. What YOU fail to realize is that as long as I am buying singles or from Troll and Toad, that TPCi is NOT spending resources to promote the GAME, and make it MUCH EASILY ACCESIBLE, for people in a place where the game is unpopular.

Here's two things they did wrong in the first place. (They did one or the other wrong).

Not promoting the game aspect by not including energy cards, all 8 of them, in at least one boxed product per year. You can buy energy online, or you can go to leagues and buy singles, but it doesn't change the fact they don't come from an OFFICIAL product.

The second thing they did wrong, was designing the game in such a way that these basic energy cards are needed. The game was imported from Japan, but look at Japan. They are promoting the game by releasing at least some products that contain, most if not all of the basic energy types. We have nothing here. Not one official product contains more than at least 4 basic energy since the last couple of years. There is this game called Cardfight Vanguard, perhaps you heard of it, where every single card there is the same type of card. No spells, no trainers, no traps, no resource cards. They are all basically creatures with abilities, so at least there, kids don't cry if they don't get a non-creature as a rare, or get some garbage resource card in their packs.

Maybe you haven't read about how things takes at least a week to ship to my address, and the shipping is like over $20 for me? Like I don't know, $6 shipping for $5 of 100 assorted energy from Troll and Toad, which would take a week or 2 to arrive, or have shipping be $20, and make it arrive in a day or two? Oh and last I checked at troll and toad, they have RANDOM lots, basically, they may have more of one than the other, and what I am looking for is EQUAL amounts of each type, and buying let's say 8 of each separately would make it EVEN MORE expensive.

Seriously, how hard is it to add like at least 8 cards to a boxed product annually, if not, biannually, and make it hobby store exclusive, so that some unsuspected kid doesn't buy this by accident at a mass market retailer.

Honestly, whenever somebody comes in and starts a thread requesting a product made FOR the people who play the GAME, the whole bunch of you just come in and start dismissing it immediately, or dismissing any comparisons to other trading card games, just because the game is different, thinking that they are in the opposite ends of the spectrum when they are not. If the game isn't promoted via any official means, then the game won't spread. It is simple as that.

This will be my final post in this thread, so somebody needs to lock this, since I just can't get through to some people here. It is futile to start ANY thread that asks for a product, or a change in the existing product that caters to people who play, rather than collect, such as that other thread asking for theme decks to be more viable competitively, and people just jump in saying it is a stupid idea.

 

[FSULugia]

I thought this thread was to die, but it was brought back from the grave.

Ok, you ALL don't get what I am trying to get at here. It doesn't matter how easy or hard it is to get basic energy, the fact that they don't include them in a randomized product, and last I checked, theme decks aren't a randomized product, just shows that TPCi doesn't care about promoting the game aspect of PTCG, especially when the game is designed that basic resource cards are a REQUIREMENT to the game. What YOU fail to realize is that as long as I am buying singles or from Troll and Toad, that TPCi is NOT spending resources to promote the GAME, and make it MUCH EASILY ACCESIBLE, for people in a place where the game is unpopular.

Here's two things they did wrong in the first place. (They did one or the other wrong).

Not promoting the game aspect by not including energy cards, all 8 of them, in at least one boxed product per year. You can buy energy online, or you can go to leagues and buy singles, but it doesn't change the fact they don't come from an OFFICIAL product.

The second thing they did wrong, was designing the game in such a way that these basic energy cards are needed. The game was imported from Japan, but look at Japan. They are promoting the game by releasing at least some products that contain, most if not all of the basic energy types. We have nothing here. Not one official product contains more than at least 4 basic energy since the last couple of years. There is this game called Cardfight Vanguard, perhaps you heard of it, where every single card there is the same type of card. No spells, no trainers, no traps, no resource cards. They are all basically creatures with abilities, so at least there, kids don't cry if they don't get a non-creature as a rare, or get some garbage resource card in their packs.

Maybe you haven't read about how things takes at least a week to ship to my address, and the shipping is like over $20 for me? Like I don't know, $6 shipping for $5 of 100 assorted energy from Troll and Toad, which would take a week or 2 to arrive, or have shipping be $20, and make it arrive in a day or two? Oh and last I checked at troll and toad, they have RANDOM lots, basically, they may have more of one than the other, and what I am looking for is EQUAL amounts of each type, and buying let's say 8 of each separately would make it EVEN MORE expensive.

Seriously, how hard is it to add like at least 8 cards to a boxed product annually, if not, biannually, and make it hobby store exclusive, so that some unsuspected kid doesn't buy this by accident at a mass market retailer.

Honestly, whenever somebody comes in and starts a thread requesting a product made FOR the people who play the GAME, the whole bunch of you just come in and start dismissing it immediately, or dismissing any comparisons to other trading card games, just because the game is different, thinking that they are in the opposite ends of the spectrum when they are not. If the game isn't promoted via any official means, then the game won't spread. It is simple as that.

This will be my final post in this thread, so somebody needs to lock this, since I just can't get through to some people here. It is futile to start ANY thread that asks for a product, or a change in the existing product that caters to people who play, rather than collect, such as that other thread asking for theme decks to be more viable competitively, and people just jump in saying it is a stupid idea.

ok, troll and toad only charges you 5 dollars, ebay you can find them for probably less than that, what if TPC charges you 10 for a bunch of packaging and crap you dont need (like as in more energies you wont even need)? Is that going to make your life more complete? Being able to say you wasted 5 dollars more on a bunch of wrappers and being able to drive to toys r u to buy it? to me the deals we have now make more sense.

Theres already enough energy in circulation, they arent that scarce. People like Trollandtoad and other retailers bust open ALOT of product, they have loads of energy they dont need. i doubt TPC is going to offer you a better rate considering the entire point of them promoting an energy product would be to make money off you. Its already very accessable providing you have a computer and an address to have it sent to. Why is thought of driving all the way out to a wal-mart to sit through a long line to buy it more "accessible"? Im really confused on what you want and confused that you pretend that we have no other options. TT and eBay exist, we live in 2012 where we are fortunate enough to have eShopping that has made life a lot easier.

 

[baby mario]

It doesn't matter how easy or hard it is to get basic energy, the fact that they don't include them in a randomized product, and last I checked, theme decks aren't a randomized product, just shows that TPCi doesn't care about promoting the game aspect of PTCG, especially when the game is designed that basic resource cards are a REQUIREMENT to the game.

That bit made me laugh.

Never mind the tins, the promos, League, the money spent on commercials, the website, not to mention the FREE tournaments . . . when it comes to promoting the game, it's all about putting Basic Energy in random products.

Otherwise they just don't care.

 

[cabd]

Also some booster sets have basic energy so your point is even MORE moot.

 

[signofzeta]

That bit made me laugh.

Never mind the tins, the promos, League, the money spent on commercials, the website, not to mention the FREE tournaments . . . when it comes to promoting the game, it's all about putting Basic Energy in random products.

Otherwise they just don't care.

RADOMIZED product. NOT random product. Get the differences straight. THEME DECKS are NOT RANDOMIZED.

Money spent on tins = not promoting the game. You definitely can't start building a deck with only the stuff that comes in a tin.

Money spent on league = not promoting the game where there aren't leagues, or where the game isn't as popular.

Money spent on commercial = not promoting the game. Yeah, they get kids to buy their product, only to get every card in the set, rather than to play the actual game.

Website = somewhat promoting the game, if you are lucky enough to live near a league.

Free tournaments = not every place has free tournaments.

We are talking about the GAME. People could just buy pokemon cards and not even play the game, because why waste the effort to make an additional purchase just to play the game, where in other TCG's, you buy one product, and you can play right away. Card games nowadays know to steer clear from the dedicated resource cards, because when someone pulls one, it feels like garbage, but MTG and Pokemon TCG was created before that realization, as they are the only games that I know of that has dedicated resource cards. MTG is promoting the game aspect so well by giving new players different ways of learning how to play, any place, any time.

They have precon decks, to show players roughly how each deck is made.

They have a deckbuilder product, with all the tools for new players to build decks.

They have a collectors set that also acts as some sort of a drafting or sealed pack set (If you insist that sealed pack is simply opening theme decks and playing as is, then go read the Pokemon Tournament formats pdf.)

What does Pokemon TCG have? Just one of the 3. That's right. Just one of the three.

Why should it be only ONE way to get into the game for new people, and not many different ways? You can have tons of pokemon cards from booster packs, and not be able to play without spending money on at least 4 theme decks, whereas in MTG, buy a fat pack, and you can build a deck with any color combination. Here, you can't. "Oh, I have all 8 pokemon types, but I can only use 2 of them, because I only have around 18 energy, consisting of 2 types, from a theme deck. Looks like I will have to make additional purchases just to play the game". There should NEVER be any additional purchases to be made when a newbie decides to build random decks based off the limited card pool they have, and able to test them, using real official cards, and not proxies.

Including basic energy in randomized products, like box sets, where what you get is different every time, promotes the game way more than anything else. You just don't notice this, because you have every thing in arms reach, or are willing to shell out so much cash just to attend tournaments every week. Just because you can get it so easily doesn't mean everybody else can.

Also some booster sets have basic energy so your point is even MORE moot.

What where is this word "ALL" in this quote? I don't see it. Too bad it doesn't contain ALL 8 in one package, where someone can, I don't know, buy one of these products and do a draft or sealed booster pack play at home? Too bad most other card games allow you to do this, and not Pokemon TCG, which is THE only TCG out there that doesn't allow people to draft or play sealed booster pack where they want, when they want.

 

[FSULugia]

RADOMIZED product. NOT random product. Get the differences straight. THEME DECKS are NOT RANDOMIZED.

Money spent on tins = not promoting the game. You definitely can't start building a deck with only the stuff that comes in a tin.

Money spent on league = not promoting the game where there aren't leagues, or where the game isn't as popular.

Money spent on commercial = not promoting the game. Yeah, they get kids to buy their product, only to get every card in the set, rather than to play the actual game.

Website = somewhat promoting the game, if you are lucky enough to live near a league.

Free tournaments = not every place has free tournaments.

We are talking about the GAME. People could just buy pokemon cards and not even play the game, because why waste the effort to make an additional purchase just to play the game, where in other TCG's, you buy one product, and you can play right away. Card games nowadays know to steer clear from the dedicated resource cards, because when someone pulls one, it feels like garbage, but MTG and Pokemon TCG was created before that realization, as they are the only games that I know of that has dedicated resource cards. MTG is promoting the game aspect so well by giving new players different ways of learning how to play, any place, any time.

They have precon decks, to show players roughly how each deck is made.

They have a deckbuilder product, with all the tools for new players to build decks.

They have a collectors set that also acts as some sort of a drafting or sealed pack set (If you insist that sealed pack is simply opening theme decks and playing as is, then go read the Pokemon Tournament formats pdf.)

What does Pokemon TCG have? Just one of the 3. That's right. Just one of the three.

Why should it be only ONE way to get into the game for new people, and not many different ways? You can have tons of pokemon cards from booster packs, and not be able to play without spending money on at least 4 theme decks, whereas in MTG, buy a fat pack, and you can build a deck with any color combination. Here, you can't. "Oh, I have all 8 pokemon types, but I can only use 2 of them, because I only have around 18 energy, consisting of 2 types, from a theme deck. Looks like I will have to make additional purchases just to play the game". There should NEVER be any additional purchases to be made when a newbie decides to build random decks based off the limited card pool they have, and able to test them, using real official cards, and not proxies.

Including basic energy in randomized products, like box sets, where what you get is different every time, promotes the game way more than anything else. You just don't notice this, because you have every thing in arms reach, or are willing to shell out so much cash just to attend tournaments every week. Just because you can get it so easily doesn't mean everybody else can.



What where is this word "ALL" in this quote? I don't see it. Too bad it doesn't contain ALL 8 in one package.

I think you need a new hobby if you feel so entitled to having everything this game has to offer. LOL Energies would not SELL the game, back in the day people were handing these things out for free, I can see why TPC does not want to put them in packs. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY YOU WANT TO GO OUT AND WASTE 10 DOLLARS (MORE MONEY THAN THE CURRENT COST OF ENERGIES) TO BUY A BOX OF ENERGIES. Is that your ultimate dream or something for there to exist a box of energies? THERE IS ENOUGH IN CIRCULATION and ENOUGH TO SELL TO YOU AT A REASONABLE PRICE. WHY DO YOU DESPERATELY WANT TO HAND TPC MONEY for this dream product that not only would not change ANYTHING AT ALL with your gaming experience, but basically to buy a bunch of packaging?
WHY do you want to WASTE gas, time, energy, driving to a store to buy energies for?! Is this your dream experience? Not trying to sound mean but it just sounds so ridiculous what you are demanding.

I can tell you have the internet, and you most likely have a mailbox. THAT IS ALL YOU NEED FOR ENERGIES. And a debt/credit card/paypal account to order it with (which if you dont have these things your in more trouble than just your energy crisis). I go to college, I dont buy textbooks from my bookstore that I NEED, WHY? Because I dont want to have to worry going there, spending 2x the amount for something that ends up in my trash can in 3 months that I barely look at, so I buy them OFF THE INTERNET similar to MANY other things I own and have saved loads of money and time and headaches. Same principle with Pokemon energies, half the time you probably wont run decks with most of these energies, who really uses 20 energies now a days?! So the new players will have to figure this out, but the new players have to figure out LOTS of things, TPC isnt going to be giving anyone deals on energies, not any more of a deal than your already getting.

 

[signofzeta]

I think you need a new hobby if you feel so entitled to having everything this game has to offer. LOL Energies would not SELL the game, back in the day people were handing these things out for free, I can see why TPC does not want to put them in packs. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY YOU WANT TO GO OUT AND WASTE 10 DOLLARS (MORE MONEY THAN THE CURRENT COST OF ENERGIES) TO BUY A BOX OF ENERGIES. Is that your ultimate dream or something for there to exist a box of energies? THERE IS ENOUGH IN CIRCULATION and ENOUGH TO SELL TO YOU AT A REASONABLE PRICE. WHY DO YOU DESPERATELY WANT TO HAND TPC MONEY for this dream product that not only would not change ANYTHING AT ALL with your gaming experience, but basically to buy a bunch of packaging?
WHY do you want to WASTE gas, time, energy, driving to a store to buy energies for?! Is this your dream experience? Not trying to sound mean but it just sounds so ridiculous what you are demanding.

I can tell you have the internet, and you most likely have a mailbox. THAT IS ALL YOU NEED FOR ENERGIES. And a debt/credit card/paypal account to order it with (which if you dont have these things your in more trouble than just your energy crisis). I go to college, I dont buy textbooks from my bookstore that I NEED, WHY? Because I dont want to have to worry going there, spending 2x the amount for something that ends up in my trash can in 3 months that I barely look at, so I buy them OFF THE INTERNET similar to MANY other things I own and have saved loads of money and time and headaches. Same principle with Pokemon energies, half the time you probably wont run decks with most of these energies, who really uses 20 energies now a days?! So the new players will have to figure this out, but the new players have to figure out LOTS of things, TPC isnt going to be giving anyone deals on energies, not any more of a deal than your already getting.

Which is why it is to be bundled with a bunch of boosters. I have stated time and time again, that this product I suggest isn't simply 100% energy in a box.

You also don't get the second part. The product is built for SEALED PACK PLAY, or draft, where you actually need all 8 energies at once, so you have OPTIONS, to build whatever deck based on whatever type from the cards you drafted or pulled from 6 boosters.

Why does everybody here have this assumption that just because you can do it, everybody could do it, and also the assumption that 100% of the products that TPCi makes is tailored to the collector, and if TPCi decides to create one more product built for the player, or gamer, that the entire TCG will collapse? It won't. The proof is that 5 other TCGs have done it already, and it doesn't make Pokemon TCG an exception.

Buy textbook off internet, save loads of time, oh please, when it arrives a week or two later, I don't think so. I'd rather pay more locally to get what I want now, than to pay cheap and get it 2 or 3 weeks later, and once I pay shipping, it would be on par with the local price anyway. Oh, buying locally GUARANTEES that there are no goof ups, such as receiving the wrong product. I don't want to go through all the hassle of sending the wrong product or damaged product back to the sender, and wasting even more time, when I can be 100% certain that when I buy locally, that if there are any mistakes, it would be from my part.

So I could buy energy, whoop dee doo. It doesn't solve the problem for people in much worse situations than I am in.

 

[FSULugia]

Which is why it is to be bundled with a bunch of boosters. I have stated time and time again, that this product I suggest isn't simply 100% energy in a box.

You also don't get the second part. The product is built for SEALED PACK PLAY, or draft, where you actually need all 8 energies at once, so you have OPTIONS, to build whatever deck based on whatever type from the cards you drafted or pulled from 6 boosters.

Why does everybody here have this assumption that just because you can do it, everybody could do it, and also the assumption that 100% of the products that TPCi makes is tailored to the collector, and if TPCi decides to create one more product built for the player, or gamer, that the entire TCG will collapse? It won't. The proof is that 5 other TCGs have done it already, and it doesn't make Pokemon TCG an exception.

Buy textbook off internet, save loads of time, oh please, when it arrives a week or two later, I don't think so. I'd rather pay more locally to get what I want now, than to pay cheap and get it 2 or 3 weeks later, and once I pay shipping, it would be on par with the local price anyway.

So I could buy energy, whoop dee doo. It doesn't solve the problem for people in much worse situations than I am in.

People dont like them with boosters though, if you already have loads of energies, why would you want more? I get that the energies are better than the filler they have now, but they already come in a bunch of different decks and packs, your exaggerating the amount of opportunities that are needed to get energies. Like I said, when this game first came out, nobody wanted the energies. You would have to buy a few boxes to get a lot of energies. 5 dollars isnt breaking the bank and if it is, you have some other serious issues going on most likely.

And if someone is in a worse situation than you, I cant see them even trying to play this game IRL. Play the online game if you really cant afford to play the real game.

Buying books online is usually 1/4 the price of a real textbook and 2-3 weeks later isnt life or death considering most teachers dont start teaching until then. Im not going to spend more money than I have to for the same thing. Just like energies, I spend 5 dollars or I bust open 100+ packs, I wonder what I will do.

 

[Kayle]

Which is why it is to be bundled with a bunch of boosters. I have stated time and time again, that this product I suggest isn't simply 100% energy in a box.

But it won't sell. Like you don't seem to understand that this was a thing that used to exist that was bad and people hated it.

Pulling cards (not just rares, but full evolution lines for things) is hard enough as it is without adding 1+ energy to every pack. Like you'd want to spend $4 per energy anyway.

 

[signofzeta]

People dont like them with boosters though, if you already have loads of energies, why would you want more? I get that the energies are better than the filler they have now, but they already come in a bunch of different decks and packs, your exaggerating the amount of opportunities that are needed to get energies. Like I said, when this game first came out, nobody wanted the energies. You would have to buy a few boxes to get a lot of energies. 5 dollars isnt breaking the bank and if it is, you have some other serious issues going on most likely.

And if someone is in a worse situation than you, I cant see them even trying to play this game IRL. Play the online game if you really cant afford to play the real game.

Buying books online is usually 1/4 the price of a real textbook and 2-3 weeks later isnt life or death considering most teachers dont start teaching until then. Im not going to spend more money than I have to for the same thing. Just like energies, I spend 5 dollars or I bust open 100+ packs, I wonder what I will do.

You say that a person who already has tons of energy wouldn't buy this. Well no duh sherlock. This product is marketed to people who have ZERO energy. I mentioned it again and again. If anything, this product is meant to be sold once per new person, and that's it.

I've busted open 100+ packs too. Guess what those cards are doing. Sitting there collecting dust, unused, because there are no energies to use them with.

Oh, and for people in worse situations than I am in are forced to play online? Wow, just wow. Denying a small group of people who loves to draft with PTCG, where MTG or YGO reigns supreme in their local area. Last I checked, you can't draft in PTCG online.

But it won't sell. Like you don't seem to understand that this was a thing that used to exist that was bad and people hated it.

Pulling cards (not just rares, but full evolution lines for things) is hard enough as it is without adding 1+ energy to every pack. Like you'd want to spend $4 per energy anyway.

Not once have I mentioned anything about replacing or adding an energy card in a booster. NOT ONCE. The energies would be included in box sets. Box sets are randomized products because they contain randomized products within. If you bought 2 keldeo boxes, the cards in each one of them will be different every time. I would say a product is randomized if at least more than 50% of the cards within are different each time you buy a new copy. The idea here is that you have your 3 or 4 boosters in a box set, WITH NO ENERGY IN THEM, and have the basic energy off to the side. It's that simple. How can you not get this.


People say that this product won't sell because people already have energy. I have proven them wrong. I don't have energy, nor do I want to buy online to get them. Not everybody has the same online buying luxury as you do.

People keeps on thinking that I am suggesting they include energy in such a way that a person buying the product doesn't suspect it. I never mentioned that. It is packaged in such a way that the box SAYS that there are going to be energy. If some kid buys it and crys because of the energy, then well tough luck. Maybe that kid should read the box, or look through the packaging window, that clearly shows 8 energy fanned out.

People have the notion that the game will collapse when they make one more product that isn't in their targetted niche market. From what I can tell, 5 other TCGs never collapsed just because they made a product out of its niche.

People here have the assumption that what I suggest is made for everybody. If you can see, it isn't made for everybody. It is made for people who has no energy to use, and people who love to draft or do sealed pack play.

Lastly, I will refute with this point.

I say that MTG could do it therefore PTCG could do it too. Likewise, you say that you could buy something online for cheap, that I could do it too. Guess what. You say MTG does something therefore PTCG can't use the same way as doing that thing, because of differing circumstances. I could also say that I can't buy energies for cheap because of differing circumstances in relation to your case.

So basically saying, you say MTG and PTCG are so different that they can't use the same tactics to sell the game. You and I are different that I can't use your tactic in acquiring energy. Living in different locations and having differing access to leagues, and having different life schedules makes us different enough.

 

[FSULugia]

You say that a person who already has tons of energy wouldn't buy this. Well no duh sherlock. This product is marketed to people who have ZERO energy. I mentioned it again and again. If anything, this product is meant to be sold once per new person, and that's it.

I've busted open 100+ packs too. Guess what those cards are doing. Sitting there collecting dust, unused, because there are no energies to use them with.

Oh, and for people in worse situations than I am in are forced to play online? Wow, just wow. Denying a small group of people who loves to draft with PTCG, where MTG or YGO reigns supreme in their local area. Last I checked, you can't draft in PTCG online.



Not once have I mentioned anything about replacing or adding an energy card in a booster. NOT ONCE. The energies would be included in box sets. Box sets are randomized products because they contain randomized products within. If you bought 2 keldeo boxes, the cards in each one of them will be different every time. I would say a product is randomized if at least more than 50% of the cards within are different each time you buy a new copy. The idea here is that you have your 3 or 4 boosters in a box set, WITH NO ENERGY IN THEM, and have the basic energy off to the side. It's that simple. How can you not get this.


People say that this product won't sell because people already have energy. I have proven them wrong. I don't have energy, nor do I want to buy online to get them. Not everybody has the same online buying luxury as you do.

People keeps on thinking that I am suggesting they include energy in such a way that a person buying the product doesn't suspect it. I never mentioned that. It is packaged in such a way that the box SAYS that there are going to be energy. If some kid buys it and crys because of the energy, then well tough luck. Maybe that kid should read the box, or look through the packaging window, that clearly shows 8 energy fanned out.

People have the notion that the game will collapse when they make one more product that isn't in their targetted niche market. From what I can tell, 5 other TCGs never collapsed just because they made a product out of its niche.

People here have the assumption that what I suggest is made for everybody. If you can see, it isn't made for everybody. It is made for people who has no energy to use, and people who love to draft or do sealed pack play.

Lastly, I will refute with this point.

I say that MTG could do it therefore PTCG could do it too. Likewise, you say that you could buy something online for cheap, that I could do it too. Guess what. You say MTG does something therefore PTCG can't use the same way as doing that thing, because of differing circumstances. I could also say that I can't buy energies for cheap because of differing circumstances in relation to your case.

So basically saying, you say MTG and PTCG are so different that they can't use the same tactics to sell the game. You and I are different that I can't use your tactic in acquiring energy.

It makes no sense for their to be a product JUST for energy for already stated reasons. You want to waste more money to accomplish what is already accomplish able. I'm sorry TPC isnt going to make a product that accomplishes absolutely nothing, the energys are out there, so you have to go looking for them, its not directly given to you.

 

[Swordfish1989]

Energy cards are so high in demand I just bought ~700 of them for 1 cent each. That doesn't even include the ~100 or so I got free at league the other day because some other players were just handing them out for space in their tins.

I used to hate getting energies in packs as a kid... even as an adult I still hate it. Unless it's the holo COL energy.