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I think there needs to be another product that has basic energy cards.

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It makes no sense for their to be a product JUST for energy for already stated reasons. You want to waste more money to accomplish what is already accomplish able. I'm sorry TPC isnt going to make a product that accomplishes absolutely nothing, the energys are out there, so you have to go looking for them, its not directly given to you.

Are you seriously that dense? First, I never said that people buy this just for energy. Buying it for energy is just an aftereffect. This product is built for draft or sealed booster pack play. In order to do those, you need energy. I also don't expect something like this to fly off shelves either. The point of this is to buy one, and only one, only if you have no energy. You don't buy these in bulk, like you do with booster boxes. If you already have energies, because of nearby leagues, or a cheaper online means, then this product isn't for you. Then let's say you already bought something like this, and you want to draft or do sealed booster pack play again. Just buy 6 boosters per player. You would already have energy when you last bought this. This is tailored for the new player who is looking to play draft or sealed pack, but has no energy at all. Like a video game, this is only meant to be sold in a single quantity per person, which is why there would be a limited print run, or an infrequent release, like a biannual release.

Energy cards are so high in demand I just bought ~700 of them for 1 cent each. That doesn't even include the ~100 or so I got free at league the other day because some other players were just handing them out for space in their tins.

I used to hate getting energies in packs as a kid... even as an adult I still hate it. Unless it's the holo COL energy.


I'd really love to see your deck then. You hate getting energy, but yet, you probably have at least one in your deck.
 
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Are you seriously that dense? First, I never said that people buy this just for energy. Buying it for energy is just an aftereffect. This product is built for draft or sealed booster pack play. In order to do those, you need energy. I also don't expect something like this to fly off shelves either. The point of this is to buy one, and only one, only if you have no energy. You don't buy these in bulk, like you do with booster boxes. If you already have energies, because of nearby leagues, or a cheaper online means, then this product isn't for you. Then let's say you already bought something like this, and you want to draft or do sealed booster pack play again. Just buy 6 boosters per player. You would already have energy when you last bought this. This is tailored for the new player who is looking to play draft or sealed pack, but has no energy at all. Like a video game, this is only meant to be sold in a single quantity per person, which is why there would be a limited print run, or an infrequent release, like a biannual release.




I'd really love to see your deck then. You hate getting energy, but yet, you probably have at least one in your deck.

Im not getting what type of product your expecting and how its supposed to be any cheaper than the deals already on energy. I dont see what issues this new product would fix. Energy is currently obtainable at a low rate from many sources, I'm not getting what type of product you want to see thats better. Are you wanting a strict energy pack or boosters to have more energy since they already have boosters that contain energy which people have already established is very unpopular of an idea and a pack for just energy is stupid since it will cost TPC more to make than what it costs now to get.

If your playing draft, they allow you to bring your own energies, so by putting energy in a pack, all they are doing is giving you one less card, which Im not getting why you would want that. If you have enough money to playing in drafts, Im pretty sure you have 5 bucks to buy energies as well. If your someone who plans to play this game for a while, its part of learning this game that you need a set of energy for your future in the game. I dont see why TPC has to do your thinking for you especially when its not a big deal.
 
It's like you're determined to not make sense.

It's funny, because the energies are NOT included in the packs, but just included WITH the packs.

Im not getting what type of product your expecting and how its supposed to be any cheaper than the deals already on energy. I dont see what issues this new product would fix. Energy is currently obtainable at a low rate from many sources, I'm not getting what type of product you want to see thats better. Are you wanting a strict energy pack or boosters to have more energy since they already have boosters that contain energy which people have already established is very unpopular of an idea and a pack for just energy is stupid since it will cost TPC more to make than what it costs now to get. If you have enough money to playing in drafts, Im pretty sure you have 5 bucks to buy energies as well.

If your playing draft, they allow you to bring your own energies, so by putting energy in a pack, all they are doing is giving you one less card, which Im not getting why you would want that.

How hard is it to understand this. Have you heard of these box sets that TPCi releases like so many of every year, you know, the Keldeo box, the Emerging Challenges box, or how about the double collection box. Yeah, they basically release on average, 12 of these a year. What I suggested to have at least one of them include some basic energy in addition to what they have. The basic energies aren't replacing anything in the booster pack.

What you think I'm saying is this. Either a pack is 100% energy, or there is energy that replaces a card in a booster. I suggested nothing like this. If you can carefully READ, you know that I suggested a box set, like the ones that TPCi releases too many of, and before you get any confused further, BOX SET =/= BOOSTER BOX, so let's get that out of the way. What I suggested that the pack of energy will always be bundled with boosters. They aren't bundled in, but bundled WITH. That way, people won't feel ripped off for only getting energy, because the boosters are there as well. You are also NOT getting one less card, because as i said time and time again, it is NOT INCLUDED IN THE PACK, BUT WITH THE PACK. So they are NOT getting only energy with their purchase, and they are NOT going to get energy in lieu of another card. If you want to look at an example, take MTG's fat pack. It comes with 80 basic land and 9 boosters. Those 80 basic land are not replacing any content in the 9 boosters.
 
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It's funny, because the energies are NOT included in the packs, but just included WITH the packs.



How hard is it to understand this. Have you heard of these box sets that TPCi releases like so many of every year, you know, the Keldeo box, the Emerging Challenges box, or how about the double collection box. Yeah, they basically release on average, 12 of these a year. What I suggested to have at least one of them include some basic energy in addition to what they have. The basic energies aren't replacing anything in the booster pack.

What you think I'm saying is this. Either a pack is 100% energy, or there is energy that replaces a card in a booster. I suggested nothing like this. If you can carefully READ, you know that I suggested a box set, like the ones that TPCi releases too many of, and before you get any confused further, BOX SET =/= BOOSTER BOX, so let's get that out of the way. What I suggested that the pack of energy will always be bundled with boosters. They aren't bundled in, but bundled WITH. That way, people won't feel ripped off for only getting energy, because the boosters are there as well. You are also NOT getting one less card, because as i said time and time again, it is NOT INCLUDED IN THE PACK, BUT WITH THE PACK. So they are NOT getting only energy with their purchase, and they are NOT going to get energy in lieu of another card. If you want to look at an example, take MTG's fat pack. It comes with 80 basic land and 9 boosters. Those 80 basic land are not replacing any content in the 9 boosters.

So you want them to throw random energies in these products....why exactly? That just sounds like random filler and more random packaging they will have to do to fulfill something that isnt really a need.Im still not seeing what the point of randomly including them with stuff will do. Most people will throw them away, especially those who dont play. Those who do play already have the energy, why do they need more? Your still not convincing me why TPC should have to bring up the cost of their products just to cater to such a small need. Every time they make a product its not going to help every new player that comes along. The new players need to do some thinking on their own, if they really need energy (which in some formats you dont need them for certain decks), then they will obtain it in their own means. I just dont see how TPC trolling us with random energies really helps anybody.
 
It's funny, because the energies are NOT included in the packs, but just included WITH the packs.

See, this is what I mean.

In your mind, you can see a distinction between these two concepts, but that distinction is so functionally minimal that it doesn't actually help you make a point.

Congratulations, you MAY have solved the marketing problem of putting energy directly in booster packs, thus replacing a card that the customer may have preferred. You are still only targeting a very small portion of an otherwise perfectly satisfied audience. You are spending additional packaging and materials costs. The price of boosters must go up to compensate or else they risk losing money. After all the inflation that has already taken place - such that many players are now skipping out on PRs when they were already not well-attended, for example - I can't imagine a positive response.

Your ideas are fine, but they don't work. I'm not against there being energy in more product somehow or another, I just don't think it's something they can really do in their current position.
 
From reading his posts i think signofzeta means nothing is replaced in the current packs, but random energy is added in meaning people who need ti get some without having to go buy it from online retailers, thus getting energy form the existing products for new comers. but it does nto replace a card in the packs so people who have energy won't huff that their missing out on another pokemon card.

a small pack of energy could be useful for stores to have when running drafts or the likes, or even to help new comers in getting started as they might want the energy then and not having to go look online for ti, order and wait for it to arrive.
 
I'd really love to see your deck then. You hate getting energy, but yet, you probably have at least one in your deck.

So because something I hate is necessary means I must cut it out of my life completely? What fantasy world is this? I don't like vegetables but I still eat them so my heart doesn't explode. I don't like exercise but I still do it because, again, heart exploding thing. Same with energies... no one likes them, but you have to have them in your deck.

You want to know why no one takes you seriously and why you get more flack than other posters who may share similar ideas? Because you post things like you did above. Things that are ridiculous and don't make any sense.
 
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Money spent on tins = not promoting the game. You definitely can't start building a deck with only the stuff that comes in a tin.

Putting staple cards in tins makes them more accessible. More people can afford them, more people play. Kids see the attractive tins and buy them. This is promoting the game.

Money spent on league = not promoting the game where there aren't leagues, or where the game isn't as popular.

It promotes the game where there are leagues. People always have the option to start there own where there aren't. This is promoting the game

Money spent on commercial = not promoting the game. Yeah, they get kids to buy their product, only to get every card in the set, rather than to play the actual game.

So, actually advertising the existence of the game and the products needed to play it doesn't promote it at all? :rolleyes:

Website = somewhat promoting the game, if you are lucky enough to live near a league.

So . . . start a league.

Free tournaments = not every place has free tournaments..

But thousands of places do, so this is promoting the game

It seems that as far as you are concerned, unless Pokemon is promoting the game to people who don't live near a league, can't or won't start their own, and don't want to shop via the internet then they are not promoting the game at all.

Ridiculous, as usual.
 
Putting staple cards in tins makes them more accessible. More people can afford them, more people play. Kids see the attractive tins and buy them. This is promoting the game.

You buy tins. You have a bunch of card, and a cool shiny card. You can't do jack all with them, because you need energy to play. IT IS NOT PROMOTING THE GAME. It sure is promoting the selling of the cards, but it sure ain't promoting the game.

It promotes the game where there are leagues. People always have the option to start there own where there aren't. This is promoting the game

YEAH, where there ARE leagues. Not everybody has the option to start one when there aren't. Why waste money on a league when the league doesn't consistently run every week, and I heard you need to book a space for the league. I heard leagues can't be run in some guy's basement. In order to run a league, you have to MAINTAIN it.

So, actually advertising the existence of the game and the products needed to play it doesn't promote it at all? :rolleyes:

Wrong again. It is promoting the selling of the cards, not people playing the game. You can have a ton of pokemon cards and no basic energy, and you still can't play, because basic energies are a vital piece of the game.

So . . . start a league.



But thousands of places do, so this is promoting the game

Care to donate me a million dollars to me so I could start one and maintain it?

It seems that as far as you are concerned, unless Pokemon is promoting the game to people who don't live near a league, can't or won't start their own, and don't want to shop via the internet then they are not promoting the game at all.

Ridiculous, as usual.

As proven by the city I live in, Pokemon TCG, as a game in all the hobby stores takes a back seat to MTG and YGO. Therefore, TPCi isn't doing anything to promote the game, to get people to play this instead of MTG or YGO. If they were actively promoting the GAME, and by game, I mean, people actually playing the game, and not just buying cards, they would promote it in places where the game isn't as popular. It is also a known fact that people don't have to be forced to start or join a league just to play. MTG, YGO, Vanguard, Kaijudo, WoW are all designed in such a way that you can play how you want, when you want, where you want. This game, well you can't, without going through extra steps, and that this is stupid.

You know the game isn't being promoted if a kid cries when they pull an energy card from a HGSS booster, or a Black and White booster. Basic energies are part of the game, and without it, you can't play it. It's just that simple that so many of you don't seem to understand. As long as the only way to buy basic energy is via singles, online, or from going to leagues, then TPCi is not promoting this game where there aren't any leagues.
 
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You buy tins. You have a bunch of card, and a cool shiny card. You can't do jack all with them, because you need energy to play. IT IS NOT PROMOTING THE GAME.

Energy != the game.

You need energy to play, yes. But it's not hard to get energy. At all. An overwhelming majority of us don't need any help getting energy.

We need help getting Darkrai EX and Keldeo EX.
 
You buy tins. You have a bunch of card, and a cool shiny card. You can't do jack all with them, because you need energy to play. IT IS NOT PROMOTING THE GAME. It sure is promoting the selling of the cards, but it sure ain't promoting the game.

Funny how the others still take you seriously, isn't it? I mean obvious troll is obvious, and you're doing a bang-up job of it! :thumb: Of course you realize that selling cards is a part of promoting the game; if you don't own any cards, how can you play? Well, besides massive proxying or the online game. Still obvious thing is obvious and you know that yourself.

Of course "promoting the game" comes in a variety of forms, and doesn't have to directly lead to playing the game; that is promoting the game of Pokémon doesn't require giving out free starter decks and then forcing people to play it. Promoting the game can be as simple as raising awareness of it. Again, obvious thing is obvious.

Almost impossible to build a deck without Energy cards, and people know this. Of course, it is also almost impossible to build a deck without Trainers, and it is impossible to build a deck without Pokémon, or at least a card that counts as a Pokémon in your opening hand (lost track of the various errata to Mysterious Fossil).

As proven by the city I live in, Pokemon TCG, as a game in all the hobby stores takes a back seat to MTG and YGO. Therefore, TPCi isn't doing anything to promote the game, to get people to play this instead of MTG or YGO.

Another excellent bit of trolling; as if one company's game being more popular than another company's game meant the second company wasn't doing anything at all to promote it. Of course there are numerous reasons for why certain games are more popular than others, and it varies from region to region. Even if every company does their utmost to promote their own game, only one game can be number one.
 
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As proven by the city I live in, Pokemon TCG, as a game in all the hobby stores takes a back seat to MTG and YGO. Therefore, TPCi isn't doing anything to promote the game, to get people to play this instead of MTG or YGO. If they were actively promoting the GAME, and by game, I mean, people actually playing the game, and not just buying cards, they would promote it in places where the game isn't as popular.

As proven by the city I live in, basketball, as a game in demographics of sports fans takes a back seat to football and baseball. Therefore, the NBA isn't doing anything to promote the game, to get people to watch basketball instead of football or baseball. If they were actively promoting the GAME, and by game, I mean, people actually watching the game, and not just verbally supporting the team, they would promote it in places where the game isn't as popular, like Alaska or Wyoming.

See how unintelligent this argument sounds?
 
You know the purpose of this card game is different than MTG and YuGiOh if a kid cries when they pull an energy card from a HGSS booster, or a Black and White booster.

There, fixed your sentence for you.

The game could be promoted to death but if a kid who only cares about getting a Charizard is upset as his energies - and that kid represents the target demographic of the Pokemon brand - then there will not be basic energies. As a business, it makes no sense to waste money promoting something which doesn't cater to your main target market. Why invest millions of $$ to make a couple of people happy who likely will never bring in as much as was invested?
 
Funny how the others still take you seriously, isn't it? I mean obvious troll is obvious, and you're doing a bang-up job of it! :thumb: Of course you realize that selling cards is a part of promoting the game; if you don't own any cards, how can you play? Well, besides massive proxying or the online game. Still obvious thing is obvious and you know that yourself.

Of course "promoting the game" comes in a variety of forms, and doesn't have to directly lead to playing the game; that is promoting the game of Pokémon doesn't require giving out free starter decks and then forcing people to play it. Promoting the game can be as simple as raising awareness of it. Again, obvious thing is obvious.

Almost impossible to build a deck without Energy cards, and people know this. Of course, it is also almost impossible to build a deck without Trainers, and it is impossible to build a deck without Pokémon, or at least a card that counts as a Pokémon in your opening hand (lost track of the various errata to Mysterious Fossil).



Another excellent bit of trolling; as if one company's game being more popular than another company's game meant the second company wasn't doing anything at all to promote it. Of course there are numerous reasons for why certain games are more popular than others, and it varies from region to region. Even if every company does their utmost to promote their own game, only one game can be number one. Don't forget how fans conduct themselves also influences a game's success.

It is also obvious that if people don't play the game, then they aren't promoting the game. You can have people buying tons of pokemon cards and not play the game, because they know for a fact that there are other games out there where they don't have to go through extra steps in order to play it.

MTG's way of promoting the game does not segregate and leave out people because of personal preference to playing the game, or their geographical location. I don't understand why PTCG couldn't do the same. Oh wait, MTG and PTCG are so different that PTCG can't use MTG's tactic to promote the game, which totally works, since MTG is gaining new players every day. I guess I can't use the tactic of buying online, because I'm too different from all of you.

Does pokemon TCG allow you to play where you want? No. Sorry, must play in such and such a location where league is located.

Does Pokemon TCG allow you to play when you want? No. Sorry, you must play at the time when the league organizer says to do it, which is usually once a week at the same time and day. Even if you play the game at a time when a league isn't on, the league organizer won't give you energy.

Does Pokemon TCG allow you to play how you want? No. Sorry, the only way to play is to play theme deck vs theme deck, or go through additional steps and make additional purchases in order to draft or do sealed booster.

There, fixed your sentence for you.

The game could be promoted to death but if a kid who only cares about getting a Charizard is upset as his energies - and that kid represents the target demographic of the Pokemon brand - then there will not be basic energies. As a business, it makes no sense to waste money promoting something which doesn't cater to your main target market. Why invest millions of $$ to make a couple of people happy who likely will never bring in as much as was invested?

Then you have to admit that the game design is seriously flawed, and PTCG should be designed exactly like Cardfight Vanguard. CF Vanguard has no spells, no traps, no resource cards. Every card they have is a creature with abilities, so no kid would cry if they get resource cards.

As proven by the city I live in, basketball, as a game in demographics of sports fans takes a back seat to football and baseball. Therefore, the NBA isn't doing anything to promote the game, to get people to watch basketball instead of football or baseball. If they were actively promoting the GAME, and by game, I mean, people actually watching the game, and not just verbally supporting the team, they would promote it in places where the game isn't as popular, like Alaska or Wyoming.

See how unintelligent this argument sounds?

What you are saying is that it would be a waste of money to even make one basketball court, or even sell basketballs, thus leaving the few who do enjoy the game in areas where basketball takes a back seat not be able to play. Even if the collector is the main demographic, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT 100% of the products should be catered to them. I already said to release a box set that contains that EX card, a few boosters, as well as a pack of basic energies ONCE A YEAR, or even BIANNUALLY, which is not that frequent. They also should do a limited print run, because it really IS a waste of money to over-estimate the amount of people buying the product. I know for a FACT that this is meant for a smaller demographic. So what they could do is make LESS of this product. It doesn't mean that they should make none.

Just because 95% of people in a certain city don't play basketball does NOT MEAN that absolutely no basketball courts should be made. Even a simple half court with one net, which is all basketball player really need. Playing Pokemon TCG without basic energy is like playing basketball without a net. It just can't be done. You can show off your handles, but you sure aren't playing basketball without a net.
 
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It is also obvious that if people don't play the game, then they aren't promoting the game. You can have people buying tons of pokemon cards and not play the game, because they know for a fact that there are other games out there where they don't have to go through extra steps in order to play it.

MTG's way of promoting the game does not segregate and leave out people because of personal preference to playing the game, or their geographical location. I don't understand why PTCG couldn't do the same. Oh wait, MTG and PTCG are so different that PTCG can't use MTG's tactic to promote the game, which totally works, since MTG is gaining new players every day. I guess I can't use the tactic of buying online, because I'm too different from all of you.

Does pokemon TCG allow you to play where you want? No. Sorry, must play in such and such a location where league is located.

Does Pokemon TCG allow you to play when you want? No. Sorry, you must play at the time when the league organizer says to do it, which is usually once a week at the same time and day. Even if you play the game at a time when a league isn't on, the league organizer won't give you energy.

Does Pokemon TCG allow you to play how you want? No. Sorry, the only way to play is to play theme deck vs theme deck, or go through additional steps and make additional purchases in order to draft or do sealed booster.



Then you have to admit that the game design is seriously flawed, and PTCG should be designed exactly like Cardfight Vanguard. CF Vanguard has no spells, no traps, no resource cards. Every card they have is a creature with abilities, so no kid would cry if they get resource cards.



What you are saying is that it would be a waste of money to even make one basketball court, or even sell basketballs, thus leaving the few who do enjoy the game in areas where basketball takes a back seat not be able to play. Even if the collector is the main demographic, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT 100% of the products should be catered to them. I already said to release a box set that contains that EX card, a few boosters, as well as a pack of basic energies ONCE A YEAR, or even BIANNUALLY, which is not that frequent.

Just because 95% of people in a certain city don't play basketball does NOT MEAN that absolutely no basketball courts should be made. Even a simple half court with one net, which is all basketball player really need. Playing Pokemon TCG without basic energy is like playing basketball without a net. It just can't be done. You can show off your handles, but you sure aren't playing basketball without a net.

So according to your logic, even if kids got their energies, but had no pokemon to play with or anyone to to play the game with, that would be good enough to play the game since the entire game is all about energies and nothing more? Since you do realize that even with a complete deck you need a person to play with, you cant play Pokemon really by yourself. That still requires you to get off your *** and make some additional effort that TPC cant do for you. This is a game that forces you to interact with other people to experience the game which is important for any aspect of your life.

Your acting as players dont have a mind of their own and cant think for themselves of what is necessary to play the game. The energies are out there, I dont think a single person on here has had this problem except for you meaning this is an individual issue, not a widespread thing. You want to pretend that trollandtoad and ebay dont exist and that nobody can afford 5 dollars. This wouldnt be a trading card game if people didnt reach out to other players/the rest of the community to complete their decks, you do realize this is a TRADING CARD GAME not a KEEP ALL MY CARDS TO MYSELF AND NEVER TRADE/PRETEND I CANT GET THE CARDS FROM OTHER PEOPLE GAME, right? According to what you have been saying, your basically saying that we shouldnt have to deal with anyone and just buy the products to get what we need. Not only is that incredibly expensive and time consuming, but that is incredibly difficult for anyone to get anywhere in ANY trading card game ever made.

Basically from what I read, your saying no energies in every package = seriously flawed game. I really wish I could get you to see how unreasonable your starting to sound. Im really not sure if your trying to start the greatest internet troll of all time or you are really out of your mind but either way Id appreciate it if you could TRY to understand how wasteful these thoughts are.
 
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What you are saying is that it would be a waste of money to even make one basketball court, or even sell basketballs, thus leaving the few who do enjoy the game in areas where basketball takes a back seat not be able to play.

No. I'm saying is that it would be a waste of money to even take out one advertisement to promote the NBA in Alaska or Wyoming.
 
I hope everyone knows your doing nothing but feeding a troll while he sits back laughing at you. The best thing that can happen is for people to stop posting and let the thread die.
 
You buy tins. You have a bunch of card, and a cool shiny card. You can't do jack all with them, because you need energy to play. IT IS NOT PROMOTING THE GAME. It sure is promoting the selling of the cards, but it sure ain't promoting the game.

So, selling Energy card IS promoting the game, but selling tins containing EX cards ISN'T.

I see.

YEAH, where there ARE leagues. Not everybody has the option to start one when there aren't. Why waste money on a league when the league doesn't consistently run every week, and I heard you need to book a space for the league. I heard leagues can't be run in some guy's basement. In order to run a league, you have to MAINTAIN it.

There are leagues. Leagues promote the game. Maybe not wherever you are, but they still promote the game in thousands of locations.


Wrong again. It is promoting the selling of the cards, not people playing the game. You can have a ton of pokemon cards and no basic energy, and you still can't play, because basic energies are a vital piece of the game.

Again? Apparently, selling Energy promotes the game, selling the other cards doesn't. Fun fact: you can have a legal deck without any Energy, but a deck with no Pokemon is not allowed.


Care to donate me a million dollars to me so I could start one and maintain it?

Because all leagues are run by millionaires.

At this point, I'm going to agree with Jagged Stinger. I can't believe this is for real any more.
 
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