Mew
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I myself would prefer not to have the same opprotunity. Personaly, I do not think I stand a chance of invite by Ranking with people like Pablo, Fulop, Ketler, Newman, Selvestro, and many many other extremely high ranked players.
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I myself would prefer not to have the same opprotunity. Personaly, I do not think I stand a chance of invite by Ranking with people like Pablo, Fulop, Ketler, Newman, Selvestro, and many many other extremely high ranked players.
Young Giovanni had this to say " I'll just get more points for winning now" ( he took a 55 point loss.)
I do think that the whole ratings and tiebreaking system favors the bigger areas, but that's no suprise. So at a time like this, I say " Deal wit it. You got nothing to lose"
Rick
I do think that the whole ratings and tiebreaking system favors the bigger areas, but that's no suprise. So at a time like this, I say " Deal wit it. You got nothing to lose"
Rick
There is only one part about rick's post I disagree with. "You got nothing to lose" Having played in every world championship thus far ( inc 2002) I feel like I have EVERYTHING to lose. With the way the rating system is this year you could have a great year and be consistant at every tournament , have 2 bad DONKS at nats and MISS worlds(potentially loosing over 75 points). What I like about this year? the fact that you can't just show up and win a gym challenge to make it to worlds(*cough bianchi cough*) .
Does everyone want to know what really ***** about this year? ITS JUST NOT FUN ANYMORE! This coming from a player who has been in it since the begining. I am NOT having fun at events.
Example:
Last Year : "Oh cool beans , I won a cc . Which one of my friends can I concede to help win a medal"
This Year : "Sorry (insert name here) I'd love to let you win and help you win a tournament but I would loose xx points.
It's just not fun.
I personally have faith in Dave , Mike and Pete. I believe that they will do their best to improve the game next year.My only hope is that it is in their control and these changes are NOT coming from Japan. Because if they are than it is out of their control(amirite?).
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Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
I disagree with Steve about it not being fun anymore. As a matter of fact, BECAUSE it is fun, I didn't quit. However...the CC season really has been undermined due to rankings. I almost wish that these were UNRANKED events, thus putting the real emphasis on Battle Road as the ranking grab bag...I mean, guess how many peeps over 1950 or 2000 will actually compete in battle road??? Next to zero! Never before were cc's so competitive, but the battle roads should be! Such events should be the fun tournies that only help outline who will be successful in the season...not actually determine who gets to worlds.
So many things seem unwelcoming to new players this year: the ridiculous cost of Holon Transceivers, as well as the competitive nature of city championships. While the first is simply a metagame fluctuation, the latter can and should be fixed. Maybe next year I can safely forfeit to my older brother so that he can have a better shot at winning a medal, and I wouldn't be concerned about keeping a worlds hope afloat.
So many things seem unwelcoming to new players this year: the ridiculous cost of Holon Transceivers, as well as the competitive nature of city championships. While the first is simply a metagame fluctuation, the latter can and should be fixed. Maybe next year I can safely forfeit to my older brother so that he can have a better shot at winning a medal, and I wouldn't be concerned about keeping a worlds hope afloat.
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So how was last season 'fun' for anyone not in the 'in-group' who didn't have a 'friend' to concede to them and 'help' them win a medal or other event?
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Since you seem to INSIST to want a debate or an arguement lets see what I can do.
Well mom , lets address the first issue. The 'In group' Mom? As smug as that sounds I assure you there is no 'in group' .As far as the people in my group that I would even conaider letting win last year , that group consists of at least 7+ people . I will give you an example.
Last year we had a pair of cities down south.
Day 1: Past Present & future comics. I play a terrible deck ( almost comparable to a theme deck) . Why? Because it was fun to play. I went 2-3 .
Day 2 : I play LBS deciding that I actually felt like playing. Note , this was the same weekend I leaked LBS and continued to ruin last years format. Went 5-0 and beat my top cut opponent , but instead gave AaronC (waliken) the game so that he could get a cc win.
There are a few 'clicks' ( yes click is the word , not 'in group' or 'out group') in florida. And all of last year they would constantly concede to each other for smaller tournies. This year there is none of that.
'Mom , I come on and give(what I consider to be) a non-negative post. I don't bash PUI or POP like alot of other people. I give the three "Parents"(As mike used) some props and have faith in them. And you make a negative 'smart type' post. Don't get me wrong , I am not suprised by it , you do it quite often. But unfortunatly I am NOT in the mood for an arguement so I am just going to hold it with , "If someone is giving someone props - dont bring a negative post upon them."
~Steve
Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
Gosh 'Mom, what is this about the in-group? Just because we're on Lafonte doesn't MEAN that city championships were some conspiracy of Lafonte vs the world. If that's what you think, please reconsider. Teenagers are not CAPABLE of an illuminati of any kind, much less in Pokemon, and if so, why on EARTH would it be wasted on city championships...aka the part of the season that should be coming-out parties for new players?!
Just take a look at how many medals the two of us alone have racked up: seven! Please just listen to the case at hand...if the CC season was not competitive, then perhaps five other people would be brandishing their "Grand Prairie, TX" or "Fort Meyers, FL" medals, but the ranking points are top priority.
Ugh though, perhaps my brother, who has been only playing for six months, is too good of an example for what the "in-crowd" is defined as? Whatever. The point has been made, though: we'd have many more winners and happy faces if victory wasn't the only option. If you want to think I'm so obsessed with the in-crowd, be that way, considering all the hard work and effort I've put into Pokegym (at least for someone who doesn't moderate). I'm just shocked you're taking this out on us, of all people.
Just take a look at how many medals the two of us alone have racked up: seven! Please just listen to the case at hand...if the CC season was not competitive, then perhaps five other people would be brandishing their "Grand Prairie, TX" or "Fort Meyers, FL" medals, but the ranking points are top priority.
Ugh though, perhaps my brother, who has been only playing for six months, is too good of an example for what the "in-crowd" is defined as? Whatever. The point has been made, though: we'd have many more winners and happy faces if victory wasn't the only option. If you want to think I'm so obsessed with the in-crowd, be that way, considering all the hard work and effort I've put into Pokegym (at least for someone who doesn't moderate). I'm just shocked you're taking this out on us, of all people.
Rulemaster
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if you think ANYONE from midwest had help like that, you're wrong.
nobody here gives up wins to anybody. never. everyone's way too competitive in their own right, lafonte or not. i've never seen somebody just give a cc to their friend anyways, whats the point? to get a medal? maybe thats what someone did in Florida, but not where i'm from. what even made you say that...oh, it must have "happened" where you are, care to name NAMES? i'm really curious at these accusations. LAFONTE FTW
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Absolution
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Rulemaster is right. For example, the Angola, IN CC this year!
Ness is playing Chuck in T4 (Our [reigning] world champ already has his trip folks!), and they play it out! Ness does not concede to Chuck, and Ness makes Top 2 legitimately. No sour grapes there.
SOTG 4 LYFE.
Ness is playing Chuck in T4 (Our [reigning] world champ already has his trip folks!), and they play it out! Ness does not concede to Chuck, and Ness makes Top 2 legitimately. No sour grapes there.
SOTG 4 LYFE.
Rulemaster
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Lafonte def didn't need help taking 1&2 at nats AND 1&2 at worlds. everyone earned legit invites, and everyone played without giving matches to anyone. it would be fairly obvious if one of us was put in that kind of a situation, but Lafonte is so good that they can win without "help" by concession. just a heads-up. oh yeah
LAFONTEEEEEEEE
LAFONTEEEEEEEE
Flaming_Spinach
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SD PokéMom said:
Regardless of some arrogant posts about "Lafanote is great!" by some members...
There is no "in-group". CCs have been won this year by people who have NO connections WHATSOEVER to anyone outside of their local league.
The implication that there is an "in-group", and that these people alone decide who CAN win events is utter nonsense.
Oh. I'm part of the "in-group". I think I want Bill to win the City this coming Friday. And, of course, since I'm part of the "in-group", this is something I get to decide!
It doesn't happen that way. -_-
Even if there was an "in-group", what would it be? Lafonte? Don't make me laugh. Lafonte is simply a players club, that only allows on people they know are good, so the can in turn brag about how good they are. It's a vicious circle. One which I could join, but have no urge to.
Just how much power do you think Lafonte has?
NoPoke
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Mom's question wasn't an attack on anyone. or any group.
The question was 'fun for whom'? Who is excluded from this fun? The question was intended to provoke an examination of the wider sense of community. If I behave in a particular way who benefits and who is hurt? Is it still "fun" if someone I don't know is hurt by my actions?
Mom was just trying to open your eyes a little bit wider. Not to criticise your friendships.+-
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If its not fun this year then maybe we should all examine our motivations and behaviour. After all the fun is determined by what we as individuals bring and contribute to the tournament atmosphere.
The question was 'fun for whom'? Who is excluded from this fun? The question was intended to provoke an examination of the wider sense of community. If I behave in a particular way who benefits and who is hurt? Is it still "fun" if someone I don't know is hurt by my actions?
Mom was just trying to open your eyes a little bit wider. Not to criticise your friendships.+-
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If its not fun this year then maybe we should all examine our motivations and behaviour. After all the fun is determined by what we as individuals bring and contribute to the tournament atmosphere.
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I was try to convey the zen feeling of " playing like you got nothing to lose"
The idea is that players within the system have the power to make it better simply by adjusting their attitude.
I know worlds invites are at stake. But there's mo mistaking the facy that the tension level has risen much higer than it should be for what still is........a children's game.
Rick
The idea is that players within the system have the power to make it better simply by adjusting their attitude.
I know worlds invites are at stake. But there's mo mistaking the facy that the tension level has risen much higer than it should be for what still is........a children's game.
Rick
I'm very confused. Surely we want to instill determination and skill into young people? Being competitive is not the same as 'wanting to win at all costs'. Of course, it is a game, and above all else it should be fun, but by definition, what's the point of entering a tournament if you don't want to try your hardest to win?
There are better ways of defusing tension then to let someone else win because they're 'part of your group'.
meganium45
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Last year my kids could experiment with new fun decks during the city season, and enjoy each step of the way. This year they enjoyed it, but not with the same carefree attitude. It had to be stomped into them that one loss did not end their season. Tough to do when a "mature" older player would freak out every time he lost more than 1 game at an event, and make life miserable for all around him. Lucky that was not contagious.
I felt the heat. I feel blessed that our younger players were strong enough so that 6 Juniors and 5 Seniors in our state won medals. That is good for any state. Problem was, it should have been more like 10 Juniors and 10 Seniors.
Heck, I even stopped playing. I was tired of taking points from players who desparately needed them. The game was not fun for me anymore.
I felt the heat. I feel blessed that our younger players were strong enough so that 6 Juniors and 5 Seniors in our state won medals. That is good for any state. Problem was, it should have been more like 10 Juniors and 10 Seniors.
Heck, I even stopped playing. I was tired of taking points from players who desparately needed them. The game was not fun for me anymore.
ShawofMordor
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You are an exception. Your brother is an exception. POP is doing this for the GENERAL Pokemon-public.
MOST Juniors do not do well against Seniors, most Seniors do not do well against Masters. You're looking at yourselves only, complaining about how it hurt YOUR rating, but not mentioning how it HELPED a lot more people than it hurt.
Thank you Ian and dogma...
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