2007-2008 Modified Format Announced! Major Changes!

[FlipsAreCool]

Format Change

I agree with and like the format change.

However, in regards to Jim's post, although for the most part I agree with everything, I do take issue with one statement:

There's nothing fun about sitting there blistering your opponent with a God Hand or sitting behind a T2 fully set up MetaNite or Rai-Eggs.

This is an opinion. And some players, including me, disagree with that opinion.

 

[PkmnManiac]

POP is really putting the pressure on us Pokemon TCG Players.

 

[PokePop]

The only reason this has happened is because there is no hand disruption in the format.

If POP would instead reprint Rockets Admin, or just wait for Galactics' Bet to come out, the format would balance itself very quickly, and the Holon Engine would lose a vast amount of power.

Doesn't matter. DS's time in coming to rotate out. Getting rid of Holon's Transfer is just a happy coincidence.

He is hardly annonymous AFAIK.

He is to Pete.

 

[Jim Ferrell]

Hey Jordan,

Yeah. Everything I said was my opinion. I made my comments as noncombustible as I could, while still allowing my opinion to be included. Just for clarification, to make sure you understood what that point you quoted was...

You enjoy having your opponent set up perfectly by T2? And you also enjoy decimating your opponent before they even have a chance to start? Because that was my point. I certainly realize that what you quoted was simply an opinion, and I have no qualms with you or anyone disagreeing with it, I just wanted to make sure you understood me. That particular point was just an example of how the Holon Engine took advantage of the metagame because of the sheer speed. And those who drew into their Transceiver/Mentor first had the strict advantage.

I am also happy to hear you are glad to see the format change. I am looking forward to playtesting with you at League and competing with you this Fall. :smile:

~Jim

 

[a_shy_girl_1999]

doesn't this happen every year? lol, as soon as the format is announced people start complaining, but in the end we think of new stragities to go with the cards. Its exciting to see the new combos that can come out of the format change. Its not like we can never use the cards again, we can still use them in leagues, and other unlimited events. plus you can always trade them away to collectors for cards you need.

 

[Lucario EX]

Mike, Dave, Pete, why is Legend Maker being rotated out? It's obvious DS had to go, Transceiver is too broken, but why Legend Maker? The only really good cards in Legend Maker are Mew EX, Banette EX, Roselia, Misdreavus, and maybe a few Stadiums. And Mew EX isn't nearly as broken now, with Cessation Crystal, Gardevoir EX d, and only having 90 HP. If five sets are being rotated to get rid of the EX series quickly, can't you rotate LM, HP, CG, DF, and PK next year? Please don't kill off Legend Maker.:frown:

 

[Chromecatz]

too late buddy

 

[supertyranitar]

I'm actually looking forward to this format. This format's just far too dull when it comes down to it. All the Transcievers, and the Mentors, things of that nature, is just annoying anymore. BRING ON THE FORMAT!!!

 

[badganondorf]

I'm loving this format change. No more T2 decks like Banette or Arcanine, less luck more skill! It's easy to new players to catch the game because all Holon Engines and "broken" cards are gone for now, also almost every archetype is dead after this and that's why this is very great format change but...

I would like to bring a point from a smaller country than U.S.A. In my country the game has became more popular and popular just in a year. That means that almost half of the players who started this season got themselves all those Holon Engines and MetaNite cards with "big money". They were happy because theuy could get together a Metagame deck for at least Nats and now happens this. All metagame decks are gone. And people who don't have money and/or support from their parents for this game, getting 1 metagame deck was almost an impossible mission. So they did accomplish that mission just before nats and they could play at nats an archetype.

And now, now they don't have anything. And too many people are saying tha they're going to move to the unlimited format. And that's just because they already used their all money on the last season's deck. Now they won't get anymore help from their parents and they're kind of sad about this. Ok, the whole issue was result of Holon Engine and that's why you dropped DS from format. That's was good thing for next player generation but those semi-new players which I told you are suffering for this change big time.

I fully understand and agree that this format was by far the best thing to do but still I feel very sorry those half of our country's player's who can't use so much money on cards next season and can't play the modified format anymore. So the outcome will(?) be that the semi-new players will drop out of the game and new D/P on players will start playing. So we are in the same situation than we were at the last season beginning when pokemon was almost dead in our country.

So, all in all the format change will attract new players but will also make many people stop the game just because they already did their everything for the game last season and now they don't have anything anymore.

I would be very happy if someone could comment to this point of view, thanks =)

 

[aade8]

I understand, badganondorf. Believe me...and it isn't just the small countries. I live in the US, and I'm feeling the pain of spending money on trying to construct the Holon Engine, and then having that money washed away in the rotation. Oh, well...I guess I'll make do. Or try, at least.

 

[celeni]

i guess i have to state my thoughts. this is crappy by all means, i dont like how people say the holon engine is too broken when it is not. its actually more playable than anything else except ss dunsparce. i mean seriously. its way more usuable in more decks than quick search pidgeot and oracle/delcatty before it. also why do people think that games are too fast, its that way every year where have you guys been. its always been set up by turn 5 or lose all of the time. i am not diapointed with the rotation as much i guess, other than the us players are always at a disadvantage in this game. we seem to be the only place following the rules.


will there be a new metagame, no it will be e/on format all over again, i personally think that was a stale year. i mean seriosly pick what color you want purple or blue or the most broken red. it will be that again, although are a little different there is no underlying structure, i mean the last few sets have litterally no pokepowers, pokebodies and viable trainers. well i know its going to make cessation crystal decks alot crappier because there simply wont be a reason to play them, i mean every deck with powers will be shut down with holon legacy and battle frontier. actually i am wrong infernape and other fire decks will run rampant, being this game will be even more oriented towards heavy damage which only they always seem to possess and the lack of any fire counters.

i could be wrong but why is that we always get new cards that make no sense. a perfect example is that if golem ex and golem LM were around the same time that would have made both cards viable, instead we got a wash up of lone cards. any way that is my thoughts. i believe next year is going to more cut throat than this year.

 

[(TYranitarFReak)]

worlds 04 - oracle + delcatty

worlds 05 - pidgeot:biggrin:

worlds 06 - pidgeot

worlds 07 - holon engine :thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:

next year ???

well, it's sad to see holon enigne gone forever... But im sure that something new is awaiting us :wink:

i think infernape and electivire will dominate like crazy for the next cities

 

[Jason]

electrivire dominating 08 cities? I think not. Its pretty much useless without Drags.

 

[Politoed EX]

no, this doesnt happen every year... this year, delta species got rotated... THAT is why everyone is complaining... who gives a dang about the other sets besides LM

 

[Lawman]

no, this doesnt happen every year... this year, delta species got rotated... THAT is why everyone is complaining... who gives a dang about the other sets besides LM

Looks like someone wasnt around for the prior rotations... you know, when Pidgeot was killed last year, along w/ TR Admin, or the year before with SS dunsparce and oracle, delcatty, etc.

This does happen every year.

Keith

 

[Cheater Hater]

no, this doesnt happen every year... this year, delta species got rotated... THAT is why everyone is complaining... who gives a dang about the other sets besides LM

That's the main problem with DS in general--the rest of the rotation (although expected) should have had some of the best ideas in the format, but DS's power had us ignore them. Let's look at those ideas...

Deoxys: Everyone was shocked last year when it stayed in, because of the power it contained (Macargo, Jirachi, Ludicolo), and yet not much was used.
Emerald: Yes, it was part filler, part repeat set, but it should have had some use.
Unseen Forces: Likely the best overall set in a while, with lots of good cards, even if no one card was gamebreaking. Also, it had some of the best trainers in a while (Mary's Request, the tools in general), but because none of those things had Holon or that weird symbol on them, they were just forgotten.

The problem is that while these should be good, something better just makes us toss them by the wayside. This is why Pokemon should be more block-oriented, so we can evaluate similar cards together, but that's another story for another day.

 

[PokePop]

Again, DS was NOT rotated out just to get rid of the Holon Engine.
Pokemon releases 4 sets a year. That means that they will rotate out, on average, 4 sets a year.
Last year only three sets were rotated out to allow other countries' formats to catch up to the US format.
It was an anomoly that only 3 were rotated out last year.
Even if only 4 sets were rotated out this year, that 4th set would be DS.
That's the main reason that DS is out. There would have to be some major reason for POP to only rotate out 3 sets again this year. There exists no major reason. Therefore, DS is out. The only set that was questionable was LM. That could have gone either way (no inside knowlegde, just based on my understanding of the principles behind Modified). But DS going was pretty much a no brainer.
So, there is no point in arguing about how they meant to take down the Holon Engine. That may be a bonus to then, for game balance, but it certainly is not the deciding factor. If there were no Holon Engine, DS would be out anyway.

 

[Professor Elm]

worlds 04 - oracle + delcatty

worlds 05 - pidgeot:biggrin:

worlds 06 - pidgeot

worlds 07 - holon engine :thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:

next year ???

well, it's sad to see holon enigne gone forever... But im sure that something new is awaiting us :wink:

i think infernape and electivire will dominate like crazy for the next cities

This is very true information. Every year we have a dominant searcher/something that gets every deck setup. Next year I have a feeling it will be the Scottaway engine but only time will tell.

 

[Robbgobb]

Sure is funny how the Holon Engine is the only way to be competitive. Guess as this was my second year and I stunk last year that finish with a winning record at a tournament was a thrill that I should discount the fact I did not have but one losing tournament this year and actually made top 4 a couple of times without use of the Holon Engine. Guess the fact I took second at a Battle Road with a deck without a Holon Engine should be discounted as well. I did not know Holon Engine is the only way to win. I have seen Flariados winning without a Holon Engine so guess that is a fluke as well.

I understand some have spent money and feel the pressure of needing newer cards to be able to play. The thing about this though is I always point anyone new to the game at getting the latest sets. I always explain that there might be some good cards in the other sets but things get rotated. Also, a card is only worth what someone is willing to trade for it. That means that some people help and others don't. I did not realize that so many believe only certain cards are worth going after that newer cards were ignored.

 

[Politoed EX]

That's the main problem with DS in general--the rest of the rotation (although expected) should have had some of the best ideas in the format, but DS's power had us ignore them. Let's look at those ideas...

Deoxys: Everyone was shocked last year when it stayed in, because of the power it contained (Macargo, Jirachi, Ludicolo), and yet not much was used.
Emerald: Yes, it was part filler, part repeat set, but it should have had some use.
Unseen Forces: Likely the best overall set in a while, with lots of good cards, even if no one card was gamebreaking. Also, it had some of the best trainers in a while (Mary's Request, the tools in general), but because none of those things had Holon or that weird symbol on them, they were just forgotten.

The problem is that while these should be good, something better just makes us toss them by the wayside. This is why Pokemon should be more block-oriented, so we can evaluate similar cards together, but that's another story for another day.

What I meant by that, was that everyone already knew that those sets would be rotated, but Delta Species was a surprise... Unseen Forces was an amazing set, and I care about that leaving, but I already knew it was gone

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Looks like someone wasnt around for the prior rotations... you know, when Pidgeot was killed last year, along w/ TR Admin, or the year before with SS dunsparce and oracle, delcatty, etc.

This does happen every year.

Keith

ha ha... yeah, ur right... I wasnt thinking bout Pidgeot, and Admin, I cared about those...oh well, early morning takes a toll on my brain :thumb: