Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

A Petition to Ban Tropical Beach

Status
Not open for further replies.
I honestly view the whole Tropical Beach scenario as a tarnish on the Pokemon brand. It makes the game look poorly managed and uncaring about its players (two things that I know are not true overall, particularly the second one). I can't speak to how much it's deterred people from playing/joining the game, but even as someone who could afford the card, just knowing a competitive card that expensive exists lessens my enjoyment of the game a little.

As for the remedy, banning it would be at best a minor improvement. Printing it as a secret rare would (hopefully) get it below $100 (nice psychological barrier), and seems like a good compromise to not totally devalue it.
 
Last edited:
Tropical Beach doesn't need a ban, it just needs to be more accessible to players like with Pokemon Catcher on how it got reprinted in Plasma Blast as an Uncommon before it got nerfed due to the XY Rulings.
 
It's obvious... Reprint the effect onto a new stadium. Bam, Beaches just become glorified pieces of cardboard.

I'd assume that If Tropical Beach's effect gets reprinted onto a new Stadium card that's not a Secret Rare in a booster set then it would get ruled to where you can't run both the Stadium card with that effect and Tropical Beach itself in the same deck similar to the XY Ruling with Juniper and Sycamore.

That idea's better than making Tropical Beach itself more accessible to players when the cheaper Stadium alternative with it's effect would make up for it while Tropical Beach won't lose it's card value so it's a win-win situation. But with the new XY 1st turn rules wouldn't that make needing a Skyla or Computer Search in opening hand too important for going 1st just to use the cheaper Stadium alternative of Tropical Beach?
 
Please don't fool yourself, Tropical Beach's major value will get absolutely destroyed if a copy of its effect appeared in any set, even if it would be as an ultra rare, or even if they allowed multiple languages to be played. This is why this would be such a painful decision to make if it were in your hands: either you accept that the game has a card that's too expensive, or you accept that you're effectively destroying a value of at least $50 per Beach.
 
Calling it now: Errata to beach "Flip a coin if heads, draw up to 7, your turn is now over, if tails, your turn is now over"
That'd be really good for the metagame so that evolution decks and mah favorite pokemans are coming back to the meta!
 
That would just make it not worth including in the deck.

And with today's news about Mega evolving Basic EX's, it seems our beloved single-prize Stage 2's are being put on the back burner for another couple of years.
 
Come on guys, this just screams of pre-emptive excuse making for not doing well next format. If you think Tropical Beach is the only way to gain an advantage relative to other decks on the first turn, then you're sadly mistaken.

Above that, if we end up with a Beach heavy meta game it's well balanced by the cards that will exist in the format as well as pre-existing strategies.

-If your opponent plays down Tropical Beach on turn 1, you can also use the Tropical Beach.
-If your opponent plays down Tropical Beach on turn 1, you can have an advantage by having the first attack in the game.
-If your opponent plays down Tropical Beach on turn 1, Beaches for 7, you can use Spiritomb to shuffle in your hand and draw 7, with the shuffle and draw potentially being more beneficial than just drawing cards until you have 7.
-If your opponent plays down Tropical Beach on turn 1, Beaches for 7, you can play Hooligans Jim & Cas, and if heads put their hand down to 4. From there you can Beach for 7 for a card advantage, or play down your own Stadium to mess up their draw.
-If your opponent plays down Tropical Beach on turn 1, Beaches for 7, you can play Hugh to cut their hand down to 5.
-If your opponent plays down Tropical Beach on turn 1, Beaches for 7, you can play Ghetsis to remove all of the Items from their hand, likely stunting whatever turn 2 combo they had in mind.

That's just some ways you can strategize around Tropical Beach. There are also strategies that can be described as ignoring their Tropical Beach play and just going about some other strategy to gain an advantage over your opponent.

Think is probably the best-written argument in favor of beach, so I figured I would reply to this one point by point. But I'd like to preface this with "I'd like to see how the format goes before doing anything" camp, though I do suspect that very few decks will not want to find room for a beach in the even that they go first. And for those wondering, I own zero Beaches.

- Sure you can, but you are giving up an opportunity to attack, they are not. They give up nothing to use it.
- This is true, assuming you attack on turn one, except that isn't necessarily an "advantage" as your opponent had an entire turn to set up. I don't view being able to attack first as an advantage so much as I view not being able to attack limiting the extreme advantage of going first.
- You'd have to run Spiritomb though (and have it out, potentially wasting many resources to do so). Its also a prize sitting on your bench.
- You'd have to play Hooligans Jim & Cas in your deck, use your supporter for the turn, AND hit heads. A better supporter counter to the beach strategy would be Ghetsis. And putting your own stadium into play may disrupt their draw, but potentially not. And they still got a turn to use it.
- Again, you can, but you'd have to run Hugh, but you potentially hurt yourself and you have to play your support for the turn.
- This is, I think, the best actual counter to Beach, with the largest downside I can see would be drawing a Ghetsis late game off an N that is small for both of you. In addition, it is much hard to search out and play a Ghetsis on the same turn than it is beach.

The post I'm replying to's point that there are many ways to counter a turn one Beach is definitely accurate, but the point I want to make is that all of those strategies (save attacking first) are almost always going to be worse than the turn one Beach was. The reason turn one Beach may be so powerful post rules change is that there is nearly no cost to using it, while there always has been before.

The biggest advantage to playing after your opponent goes first and Tropical Beaches in my opinion is that ability for you to counter their stadium first. Opponent Beaches on turn one, you Virbank City gym on turn two and one of their counter gyms is already gone. But this advantage can last past turn two as well. No Virbank city in had turn two? Not a big deal, you still get to counter the stadium first, on your time. And while we're at it, another cost to playing Beach turn one is you don't get to Virbank plus Hypnotoxic Laser turn one.
 
It seems like everyone in this thread is missing this reason why it should be banned or reprinted:

Good Trainer gets into Worlds with hard work and, of course, a good deck, but one that doesn't break the bank. Good Trainer gets Tropical Beaches. Now, for the next Worlds (and every other competition), Good Trainer has an advantage: namely, the ability to build around Tropical Beach that others perhaps can't afford or find. This makes it easier for him to return to Worlds and getting more Tropical Beaches.

It isn't fair simply because the advantage is self-perpetuating. You could buy it, but with small, small numbers compared to other cards, the price will -- and has -- skyrocket(ed), pushing even more people out of the realm of using it, meaning there are even fewer people without beaches going to Worlds.

This all presumes that Tropical Beach gives you a distinct advantage. I'm not 100% sure on that, but from what I've seen, it's a must-include, especially for Blastoise.
 
But Sylvanica, that scenario has been the truth for the past couple of years, and TPCi hasn't done anything about it yet. So now with the first-turn rules and a higher demand for it, there is perhaps a new opportunity to make a case for something to be done. But it comes with a diminishing benefit, since its BW50 promo number will likely have it rotate out at the end of the year. Tropical Beach was not the promo at Worlds 2013, either because Vancouver isn't particularly "Tropical", or they didn't want to perpetuate that card effect, so the self-perpetuating argument ended already.
 
No problem, just wanted to make sure you knew they gave out ''Champions Festival" at Worlds 2013 instead.

Two other considerations for the discussion:

  1. BW51 is a Plasma pokemon. The format next year is likely to be BW51+ legal (to match presumably PLS-on), but it could almost as easily be BW50+, which keeps Tropical Beach (BW28 too) legal for another year.
  2. In 2014, they will debut the Extended format, which appears to be BLW-on, so presumably Tropical Beach will still be legal for that.
 
last i checked tpci doesnt care about secondary market prices


illustrator promo is $1000000000000 thats not good for the hobby of collecting pokemon cards we need a reprint

but in all seriousness its rare yeah its expensive just be glad it isnt yugioh expensive
 
It is extremely satisfying to know that I own a tropical beach and most players don't. It will be useful to defeat players who have more skill than me but cannot afford to pay ridiculous prices for the best deck.
 
It is extremely satisfying to know that I own a tropical beach and most players don't. It will be useful to defeat players who have more skill than me but cannot afford to pay ridiculous prices for the best deck.

Goodness. I dont know about anyone else, but if this were to be true, how could a card that easily swings favor for someone like this be legal still?
 
there are 2 ways to handle this problem in my opinon one way is to ban it -but with a cach they should anounce that they are baning it about a year before they do it giving the card time to slowly reduce in price that way people who the card wont be hit with as much shock. the other way is that make a really common card that you can get maybey even put it in a theam deck, that way just about eevryone can get it not just the rich, it worked with pokemon cacher it should work again.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top