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as warned before: if you have nothing constructive to add to the thread, please don't post. this has been an interesting topic of discussion so far; i'd hate to see it go down in spam and flames...

back on topic, plz.

'mom
 
as warned before: if you have nothing constructive to add to the thread, please don't post. this has been an interesting topic of discussion so far; i'd hate to see it go down in spam and flames...

back on topic, plz.

'mom

I'm with you 100% on this one, and thank you for keeping this thread mostly spam free. This has been a really interesting and great ddicussion so lets not get it locked.

Thanks
 
Here's my two cents on the subject.
First off, I don't believe any of this, but I'm drawn to any philosophical debate. Here we go...:rolleyes:
The esential question is: A-were they "evil"/disobediant or generaly bad for doing this, or B-were they unaware.

This sound like one of those [DEL]debates[/DEL] arguements that has 2 sides.
 
Have you guys ever read the Euthyphro dilemma?
ZAK: Did you read the blog link I posted?


I think the inability for us to assess the state of morality in reference to God is truly what is at question here. People are trying to say that the Bible makes it seem like morality is derived through God- and thus the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil would be the only way to obtain a sense of "morality"- and without this, one cannot make moral decisions, or at the very least cannot be held responsible for poor moral decisions. It is illogical to punish someone for an act that was not wrongly committed. Without a sense of good or evil, one cannot commit good or evil. It's like thinking an animal can commit a crime- only with morality, and ultimately a sense of right/wrong-good/evil- can someone be held responsible for actions, meaning Adam and Eve were not morally responsible for their actions and were thus punished unfairly.

If morality IS derived from God then that means the rules are arbitrary. Right and wrong becomes the edict of God, and at any moment murdering infants could become moral just by His simple utterance. It does not sit right that morality is arbitrarily based on what God says is right or wrong- there should be some other reasoning behind it, otherwise it becomes estranged and arbitrary commands that no one can interpret or fully exercise.

If morality is NOT derived from God, then who decides what is moral and what is not moral? Does that mean that even God must follow certain rules?

At the very least I think all of us who question this situation are right for doing so. There are obvious problems and scenarios that should be discussed. Don't be afraid to question, even Him. Do you think God would rather have a robot or a free-thinking rational agent for a follower? He gave you a mind and a free will for a reason, and that is to engage in the supposed rules of the Universe and of logic and morality and even His rules!
 
I have seen fantastic points made by the side asking the questions, but the side answering them has only said basically the same thing each time, "Trust in God" or something to the extent.
I think for avid worshipers it should be no problem to answer even just a few of these, or at least have counter points that say something beside "Believe me, I'm right".
 
I do have one. Lots of the stories in the Bible where writen by the Jews to explain things that happend in the world around them. It's very likly that the story of Adam and Evee was just a story to explain where we came from and why we are suffering.
 
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