All Silvestro Final - Tampa , FL CC report

[PokéMart]

1) Jim , he in no way identified Bobby.

People on the board know that Bobby is under 18. Posting his username and his last name together is identifying.

2) According to my dad you guys were fine last week. We are upset over the decklist being left at the table and players looking at it.

Steven; the truth is that neither I nor Bobby looked at your list. Again, I wasn't anywhere near where this was happening (don't even know where it was happening).

The statment that my brother or I looked at your list (or even knew about it) is an outright fabrication. I don't know what Aaron said; if he did say that I would be very disapointed because it's not true, but I don't believe that he said it, because I do trust him.

2b)Wow jim , I never saw him accuse you or Bobby of anything. He simply put what Aaron said. If you think he was accusing you maybe you have a guilty conscience?

Don't be stupid, Steven - he wouldn't have ever posted our names if he didn't think we looked at the list. You know that. I know that. I know how your dad sticks up for the people he aligns himself with, and I know that if he didn't believe what Aaron said (which, considering what he thinks of Aaron, makes me wonder why he believes Aaron was telling if Aaron actually said what you're saying he said), he would have gestured to as much in his post.

Nothing a few Hail Marys at confession won't help.

I would really appreciate it if the jabs at my faith were avoided.

I highly doubt you could name my list card for card unless you had seen it. If you could name my list ... Man, you should really win more than you do.

Meh, I would rather not play Flariados.

The last two tournaments , I dont know about all of the situations. I do know in Ft Meyers that Bobby was "Flicking his deck". How? I was sitting a table away and could hear it ( I often do it to my discard pile or hand).

Of course, since you only heard it, as you just pointed out, there would be no way for you to know the context of said flicking, if it actually happened - he could very well have been flicking on his own turn - you wouldn't have any way of knowing. Also, it seems like if he was flicking his deck loudly enough to be heard a table, it would be exceptionaly obvious (thereby making implied cheating pointless).

I am not going to talk for Jim Roll, but he NEVER pursues penalties on anyone.

Wait, so you know the penalty history of Jim roll? Has he ever been privy to a prize penalty? It seems like a really rare thing...

Hmm.. Decklists are NOT public information unless made so by the player or another player is able to recreate card for card and release it.

Well, at the very LEAST they are property of POP/PUI and could be printed at any time.

Man , you have such a screw loose. Think about what you just did? You accused HEIDI CRAIG of giving out decklists to players... Who the **** are you? Jim ******** Malec?

No Steve, you're wrong; I never accused Heidi of sharing information. It may have seemed like that to you, but if you re-read you'll see that I've set up a hypthetical situation; I did this to illustrate a double standard. I will repeat that point now:

The ONLY reason we have to believe that Heidi (or ANY PTO anywhere) does not share information is their word.
At the same time, you expect everyone to believe that Aaron, Bobby and I were looking at your list - even though we have given our word that we didn't.

It becomes nothing but a game of he-said/she-said.

And the bigger issue here, of course, is that all of the "Bobby's cheating" thing is nothing but a he-said/she-said; Bobby's opponents themselves deny he's cheating (even Heidi's son!) - the ONLY people who have EVER accused Bobby of cheating are the people who were upset with the situation at last year's Tampa GC.

No, forgive me if that doesn't seem a little odd. He's never accused of cheating before the Tampa GC - then, all of the sudden, he starts cheating at EVERY one of Heidi's events since then? (Literaly, he's been accused at every FL tournament played in since then). Of course, he's also played out of state and never been accused of cheating there, so...yeah, forgive me if it all seems a little odd.

Double Standard....? Wow... You have a bigger set than I thought.

Wow, you thought about that? Man that's kinda wierd.

Here we are... The simple act of being accused of CHEATING by 2 different people has tainted that accomplishment and has the potential to taint EVERYTHING he does from now on.

Yes and no. it woud, maybe, and that's why I'm making such a point to show all the flaws in the "he's cheating" argument. But it doesn't taint any of Bobby's achievments because the two people who are accusing him of cheating are both people who:

a) Are VERY close friends
b) Are upset about what they "THINK" he did at the Tampa GC

Now, please note: I'm not directly accusing Heidi of being biased. I am NOT making any such statment. I'm simply pointing out the facts of the situation; that there was an issue in Tampa, that Heidi and Phil were very upset about it, and, since then, (but never before), there have been accusations of cheating (only from those people).

Try and Deny the fact that I was saw you guys at the table. Walked up noticed you guys had both of our lists. Took them , Gave a glare and walked out.

That's a lie, and I am not afraid to call you out on it; I was nowhere around Bobby and Aaron while they were sitting anywhere. Your statment that I was there is a complete fabrication.

Maybe you guys should take some responsibility for once and own up to it. Or yet , DENY DENY DENY. Thats a good manly Influence on your brother.

The message I send to my brother will be one of integrity. part of that means standing up for what is right even when you know you're going to be persecuted for it. I will DENY DENY DENY because what I am DENYING is FALSE. I will testify to the truth.

Believe it or not. Aaron said it. Nice to know what the people you have aligned yourself with and chosen your enemies with will do for you.

Whether or not Aaron said it is irrelvent;

1) You don't believe anything else Aaron said, so why believe this?
2) You said yourself, in your post, that you walked up to the table, saw us with both of your lists, took them, and walked away with a glare. So, um, why would it matter what Aaron said?

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Jim,
I find all of this hard to believe. About a year ago I think when you moved from Florida you couldn't say enough good things about this state on the boards go read your old posts.

Yup, funny how everything changed, huh?

You come back and suddenly all is wrong in the world.

No, everything is not wrong. Please don't be so patronizing. You know what the issues are.

I have no clue what happened to change everything since you refuse to speak to me about any of this and will email everybody and their brother about it.

1) I don't refuse to speak to you about any of this. In fact, at the start of the season, I thought out relationship was quite warm.
2) I will e-mail everybody and their brother? I assume you're referring to me e-mail to Dave S. - considering he's the ONLY person I've EVER e-mailed regarding ANYTHING being discussed here. Since when is one person (who I contacted with a legitimate complaint) "everybody and their brother"???

Ever since things went down in

Tampa last year there has been a problem unlike you, I refuse to make this a public matter because I have more integrity than that.

Well, I think you've made it a public matter already by the way things have been handled in Florida this year, but aside from that -yes, let's make it public. Let's put all the facts out there and see what the situation looks like. We can play he-said/she-said forever; but you're the PTO, and one of your best friends is head judge, and hey, forgive me, but I don't like my odds.

No; you're going to accuse my brother of cheating, let's see some proof. John and Steven are going to imply that we looked at his list? Let's see some proof. Let's get the fingerprint test done (I'm serious). I don't know everything about the fallout of Tampa last year, but I know some of the accusations, and I'm tired of them being made in the shadows; if you're going to accuse us of cheating, of conspiring, of whatever, let's see some proof. And just "quotes" isn't going to do it, becasue, let's face it, quotes don't hold much weight, do they?

I could put information on the public forum that would greatly change the claims your making but I am above that say what you want but there isn't any truth in it.

I haven't said ANYTHING or accused you of anything. Let's see what you've got - go ahead and post it. I'm very interested. Let's see your quotes (I hope you have them tape recorded). Since you know all this stuff about me and/or my family, let's see it.

I work hard to make this game good in this state despite what you think.

Yes, you do; and as a rule I've not had a problem (nor do I have a problem) with the overall way you run your events. I have played in many places and you are one of the better PTOs. But that's doesn't change the facts at hand.

It isn't personal when I do things it's just running a game, looking at the situation and doing the best I can with the information. I penalize many people at events and if your family is such under attack funny how it doesn't appear on my penalty sheets much.

Well, Bobby's only played in two of your events since the Tampa GC - and at both of them he's been accused of cheating (even though both of his opponents have denied that he was cheating!)

Who are you to make such claims about deck lists

Who am I? I am player concerned about what happens to the information I work very hard on (while I don't win much, I work hard on helping my brother who wins quite often); I never made an accusation - I presented a hypothetical situation in regards to an entirley different point.

But the TRUTH is that no matter what any PTO says, we DON'T know what happens to those lists. But, again, I brought that up to illustrate something else, so...

What's your goal here, one can only wonder?

Well, my initial point was to refute John's implication that we looked at Aaron's list. But let's be frank - you and I both know this really isn't about the list.

Because your throwing around all kinds of information and accusations on a public place.

Like?

But if I choose to post what I know it would be attacking your family as if your not going after me in a way that I can do nothing about, let me rephrase choose not to take it out in public, you have shown your true colors.

Let's see it. Let's see what you "know". Post it.
I'm not afraid of what you "know" because my family has never done ANYTHING even questionable in this game.

 

[Lord Broly]

Good Job on the Silvestro Finals. Hope that happens in the
next tournament. Also this thread I think might get out of hand
as well.

 

[Squirtle]

Don't be stupid, Steven - he wouldn't have ever posted our names if he didn't think we looked at the list. You know that. I know that. I know how your dad sticks up for the people he aligns himself with, and I know that if he didn't believe what Aaron said (which, considering what he thinks of Aaron, makes me wonder why he believes Aaron was telling if Aaron actually said what you're saying he said), he would have gestured to as much in his post.

The statment that my brother or I looked at your list (or even knew about it) is an outright fabrication. I don't know what Aaron said; if he did say that I would be very disapointed because it's not true, but I don't believe that he said it, because I do trust him.

Ok , I read your whole post. You harped and harped and harped on the fact that why would I believe Aaron on that if I didn't on the other. Why? Because it proves what I already knew. Even if your story were true and you were no where near the area at the time. Then you could not say with 100% sureness that they were looking at the list because you weren't there? Well , it's regardless because you were there.

I would really appreciate it if the jabs at my faith were avoided.

Jab? What jab? I don't see a Hitmonchan anywhere. Even if this were a personal attack ( Which it's not) I really don't care what you would appreciate.

Of course, since you only heard it, as you just pointed out, there would be no way for you to know the context of said flicking, if it actually happened - he could very well have been flicking on his own turn - you wouldn't have any way of knowing. Also, it seems like if he was flicking his deck loudly enough to be heard a table, it would be exceptionaly obvious (thereby making implied cheating pointless).

At least I heard it. Even if he were flicking on his own turn , it is against the rules to flick your deck so that you can see the top cards. thus it is considered CHEATING.

Wait, so you know the penalty history of Jim roll? Has he ever been privy to a prize penalty? It seems like a really rare thing...

I know Jim Roll well enough. He plays this game for FUN. I have never seen him take a penalty against anyone. Even when it cost him games. He had the game in hand vs Bobby. Maybe thats why he didn't take the prize penalty?

At the same time, you expect everyone to believe that Aaron, Bobby and I were looking at your list - even though we have given our word that we didn't.

The fact that I saw you guys with the list and that combined with the fact that Aaron threw you and Bobby under the bus is why I don't believe you.

That's a lie, and I am not afraid to call you out on it; I was nowhere around Bobby and Aaron while they were sitting anywhere. Your statment that I was there is a complete fabrication.

Well , you calling me a liar doesn't hurt me any. Because your oppinion doesn't matter to me.You can call me out on it if you want. But I raise and happen to have quad aces.

The message I send to my brother will be one of integrity. part of that means standing up for what is right even when you know you're going to be persecuted for it. I will DENY DENY DENY because what I am DENYING is FALSE. I will testify to the truth.

Oh man! Integrity , Jim Malec faces so mich persecution!!! Oh Lord please strike down my foe for the persecution brought upon me!

Whether or not Aaron said it is irrelvent;

1) You don't believe anything else Aaron said, so why believe this?
2) You said yourself, in your post, that you walked up to the table, saw us with both of your lists, took them, and walked away with a glare. So, um, why would it matter what Aaron said?

Aaron's statement backed up what I already knew.Yes , I knew he was lying about not looking because I SAW him.


Maybe your right. It was just coinsidence that I walk in Aaron is holding 2 decklists while you guys are right next to him.I walk up , look at what he has and take it. You guys weren't looking though right?Maybe you were just returning it!


FACT: There have been numerous problems with the Malecs at Florida tournaments as of late. With 2 different PTOs. (Sean and Heidi). I am counting this decklist issue as a problem.

 

[Heidi Craig]

Jim,

Do you really think that I still really care about what happened at Tampa? I have moved so far past it's not even funny. Unlike you, I have a life outside this game and have better things to devote my time to.


I like your hypothetical situation about decks lists and how much you back pedal. You want to post hypothetical try posting what you do at events rather than drag me into this.

You base this information on nothing and slander my name but of course this is hypothetical.

Let me give you a hypothetical situation. You have a problem with somebody and refuse to speak to that person about the issues and want to play victim and somehow feel the need to attack that person in public and want them to sit down and shut up. Well, when you play with fire and you will get burned.

I have never been biased at an event nor will I ever be nobody is worth it. I take running events very seriously and feel there is no room for that. There are how many players in this state?? And you somehow think I devote all time and resources to your family at events, really how arrogant of you to make such a statement.

Hypnotically let me post all I know and believe me I could write and book, the recording alone I could sell for money, then get the community's opinion on what they think your head would spin for days.


You have no clue what really happens in this game and how hard my position really is, so you speak from a place of no knowledge and want my sympathy sorry if you get none from me. Pity really isn't my thing for people. You choose to only expose facts that show your points in a good light and because I have integrity you take advantage of it, at least one of us can be an adult. (Let me give you hint it's not you)

I will not stoop to your level and post such things in public to explain the accusations you have made that has no place being dealt with in public in the first place. I am above it and your character traits can't make me compromise what I believe in your simply not worth it.

I am done say what you want it really doesn't matter the facts speak for themselves and careful Jim the truth always comes out in the end. Let me know that works out for you.
Heidi

 

[PokéMart]

Even if your story were true and you were no where near the area at the time. Then you could not say with 100% sureness that they were looking at the list because you weren't there?

I trust my brother. I cannot say with absolute certainty that he didn't look at your list. But I believe he knows how seriously disapointed I would be if I found out he were lying, so I trust him.

I trust Aaron, too - although I don't have the same kind of relationship with him that I do with my brother, and, therefore, cannot say that he did or did not see your list.

Aside from that, of course, I will go back to the point that I wasn't anywhere near this was happening; well, like I said, we can go back and forth with this. Truth: I wasn't there.

Jab? What jab? I don't see a Hitmonchan anywhere. Even if this were a personal attack ( Which it's not) I really don't care what you would appreciate.

I felt like, since you know I'm a man of faith, that your comment was making fun of said fatih, and no matter what ou hink of me, that's incredibly low. Sorry if you didn't mean it like that - that's how it came out.

At least I heard it. Even if he were flicking on his own turn , it is against the rules to flick your deck so that you can see the top cards. thus it is considered CHEATING.

Sorry, let me clear up; I said deck, I mean, discard, etc - just like you said you do.

I know Jim Roll well enough. He plays this game for FUN. I have never seen him take a penalty against anyone.

That doesn't mean he has ever been privy to a prize penalty. Maybe he's never taken one because it's never happened. Really. How could we possibly know that? Does Jim often play in ames where there ar eprize penalties?

The fact that I saw you guys with the list and that combined with the fact that Aaron threw you and Bobby under the bus is why I don't believe you.

I think you have selective vision.

Maybe your right. It was just coinsidence that I walk in Aaron is holding 2 decklists while you guys are right next to him.I walk up , look at what he has and take it. You guys weren't looking though right?Maybe you were just returning it!

I'm not going to keep going back to this. Do you have some way to prove that Aaron was holding the decklist? If not, what's the point of even saying it except to try to run down the Malec name?

Let's get it checked for fingerprints. I'm not kidding - I'm seriously not kidding.

FACT: There have been numerous problems with the Malecs at Florida tournaments as of late. With 2 different PTOs. (Sean and Heidi). I am counting this decklist issue as a problem.

Like what? What are these problems? There's no evidence of any problems.

 

[Squirtle]

You're right. Saying "Malecs" isnt fair... It has been more or less with Bobby. Every time there is a problem you seem to be right there mixxed up in the middle. The cheating accusations and the decklist issue now. I really find it comical that you believe it is a big conspiracy to "Bring down the Malec name"


Now this is all going downhill. Stop posting on my thread before it gets locked.

 

[PokéMart]

Do you really think that I still really care about what happened at Tampa?

Yes.
And I think you care about the fact that I said I didn't think PTOs should be able to play in events where trips to worlds were on the line.

I have moved so far past it's not even funny. Unlike you, I have a life outside this game and have better things to devote my time to.

Hmmm. What do you know about my life?
- Well, let's see; I'm a senior in college (double-majoring); have a 3.98 GPA...
- I played on two USA national baseball teams in five countries around the world (and was elected All-State my junior year of High-School);
- I was a YMCA Teen Leader for three years - including three years of graduation from the YMCA's Blue Ridge Leader's School (Black Mountain, NC);
- I was youth co-chair of Sarasota county's Community Youth Devleopment program for a year, served as a voulenteer for five years, and, during that time, lead a project which created Sarasota county's "SARA Awards" - a program designed to encourage and recognize the county's brightest young performers
- I was managing editor of MCC's The Lance (newspaper) for two semesters, and Editor-in-Chief for one.
- I am a published, BMI-royalty earning songwriter with cuts all over the world, and I've interned for a number of artists including Rodney Atkins (six weeks at number one with 'If You're Going Through ****' - I also interned at the 2006 CMT Music Awards

I could go on...point being, I think I have a considerable life away from this game.

You want to post hypothetical try posting what you do at events rather than drag me into this.

Sorry, I don't know what you mean? Restate please?

You base this information on nothing and slander my name but of course this is hypothetical.

What am I basing on nothing? I didn't imply you were sharing decklists with anyone, and, even if you were, I think you'd probably be within your rights to do so, because, as I said before, I think they are public.
It's not slander - slander is spoken, by the way; it would be libel, if it were anything, and you'd have to be able to prove that when I said it, I knew it wasn't true, and meant to ruin your reputation...

Which I didn't. of course, even though I've said in every one of my posts that I wasn't accusing you of doing anything with decklists, you still seem to think that I did.

Let me give you a hypothetical situation. You have a problem with somebody and refuse to speak to that person about the issues

When have you come to me to discuss the issue and I've refused?

and want to play victim and somehow feel the need to attack that person in public and want them to sit down and shut up.

Uh, I don't think I ever attacked you; I borught up the issue with my brother being accused of cheating. What I said was "In the last two tournaments Bobby has been accused of (by Heidi and Phil) of cheating." - is that true or untrue?

Well, when you play with fire and you will get burned.

Yeah, I was told last year after Tampa (not by you) that I shouldn't **** off the PTO.

I have never been biased at an event nor will I ever be nobody is worth it.

Well, all I can say is that I'm honestly very happy to hear that, and if that's the case, I don't see that we'll be having and future problems.

Hypnotically let me post all I know and believe me I could write and book, the recording alone I could sell for money, then get the community's opinion on what they think your head would spin for days.

But here's my question; do you have any proof whatsoever to back up any of this that you "know"? At least I've laid out a situation and shown (not told with heresay) why I am questioning certain things.

You have no clue what really happens in this game

Ohhhh, sounds interesting- DO go on.

and how hard my position really is, so you speak from a place of no knowledge and want my sympathy

I don't want your sympathy. I didn't even want to engage you here; in my reply to Steven I pointed out a facutal statment - in the last two tournaments, Bobby has been accused, by you and by Phil, of cheating (even though both of his opponents have denied it).

I am done say what you want it really doesn't matter the facts speak for themselves and careful Jim the truth always comes out in the end. Let me know that works out for you.

is that a threat?
I've asked for facts...you haven't given me any. Ever.

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Now this is all going downhill. Stop posting on my thread before it gets locked.

Steven, you and your dad can't post things about my family that aren't true and expect this not to blow up. I will stand up for my family's name; if you don't want these issues brought up on your threads, tell your dad not to name names;

he could have simply said:

"The decklist was left on a table by the PTO after deckchecks..."

Which would have made the same point, but been less of a personal confrontation.

 

[GymLeaderPhil]

Revealing private cards (prize cards, cards in a deck, or any other face down cards) is a major penalty no matter how you slice it. It doesn't matter if you are 8, 14, or 44 years old! We penalized three different players within that event on the same grounds as Bobby. If a spectator/judge can see or tell what the upcoming cards are (as a result of a player flicking/flipping his deck) a table or so away, what kind of advantage does the player have? A huge one.

Truly I don't have to justify myself here: it was made clear to all of the parties involved why we made the ruiling and resulting penalty. There was no confusion and, if there was, it was only because no one spoke up. You certainly didn't come to talk with me afterwards.

To add: the fact that the opponent did not take a prize in lieu of the Prize Penalty does not translate into a disagreement with the ruiling. They have the option to take it for strategical purposes (Scramble Energy) and pretty much any other reason. I don't know why Jim didn't take the prize - players aren't obligated to give an explanation as to why or why not.

Whether or not Bobby revealed cards intentionally or unintentionally I do not know. If it was intentional he would have been disqualified from the event at that point per cheating penalties.

 

[Squirtle]

Well , I got all day , all night.

I saw you guys looking at it when I came in.


This is just going to go back and forward till one of us gets the last word and I got all night.... Actually. I bet Pokepop gets the last word...

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1) Please don't use Bobby's last name on the Gym - you know the rules, John - identifying a minor's last name is against the rules.

2) John, I'm really disapointed in you. Last week in Ft. Myers we spoke, and you assured me that you were not in anyway involved in the witch-hunt on the Malecs. Your words, if I recall, were, "We're cool." Well, apparently we're not, since:

a) you lied about what Aaron said.
b) you're accusing Bobby and I of doing something we clearly didn't do (hmmm....Bobby didn't even know the list was sitting there, and I wasn't even anywhere near there where this was happening, nor did I know anything about it).

Furthermore, I'm not sure why we'd even want to look at your Flariados list. We know exactly what's in your list anyway, its not like its some great mystery.

In the last two tournaments, Bobby has been accused (by Heidi and Phil) of cheating; EVEN THOUGH there is NO evidence to assume that's true. In both cases, his opponent (one of whom was Heidi's son!) has said that he WAS NOT cheating - in fact, the last time, his opponent wouldn't even draw the prize penalty (Which Bobby was given without even a caution or a warning - even though Heidi and Phil were supposedly doing active judging AND Phil was supposedly "watching Bobby for a number of turns").

Now, once again, he is (along with me) being accused of doing something that there's no reason to think that we did (other than because the people doing the accusing are spitful).

Listen, I'm sorry you are all so upset about what you "think" happened in Tampa; but this is getting rediculous and it's beginning to feel like harrasment.

We DON'T CHEAT. Anyone who knows my family knows that were the most ANTI-CHEATING people in the game.

In addittion to all this:
I stand by the Currys. I don't think they are cheating or conspiring against anyone. And the same goes for Sean. But you know what?

WE ARE NOT THE CURRYS. We are a completley different set of people; John didn't like it when I implied he was a part of the witch-hunt - he said "well, Heidi's my friend, but I have nothing to do with any of that." He didn't want to be guilty by association. I would ask for the same consideration.

Now, let's talk about deck lists. Deck lists are public information, as far as I know. But if you're not going to take anyone's word that we didn't read it, I don't think it's fair to expect the rest of the player base to take Heidi's word that she's not going to share OUR decklists with whomever she feels like. I mean, aren't we just supposed to believe that she's not letting YOU see those? Because let's face it, it sure would be an advantage to anyone who got to see what every player in Florida had played for the entire season.

So it looks to me like John wants a double standard; we are supposed to believe people jsut because; but when it comes to those people believing us, things are different.

Now, about accusing ME of doing things I haven't done; I would appreciate it if you wouldn't besmirch my name in front of the enitire community when you have no EVIDENCE of ANYTHING every happening which was in ANY WAY inappropriote. My living depends on my ability to sell Pokemon cards to the community.

As far as Bobby; there sure are a lot of people who seem to want to make life difficult for a 14 year old kid.

But you know what? No matter how hard life in Florida Pokemon gets, we're not going away. We're not going to quit. We're going to keep playing as long as OP exists; yes, forever. We'll be at almost every event, with our big ole' smiling faces.

1st of all, this is The_sniper. Sorry for posting under squirtle's name- I didn't realize he was still loged in.

But......


12 hour day at work and i need this - come home to yet MORE Curry/ Malec drama. You ALL need lives!


Jim,where the **** do you - " mr. integrity" ( NOT!)- get off calling me a liar!!! You love to come on here and twist things around on how things go at events.You've acted like nothing but an ***HOLE pretty much everywhere I've seen you at this year. Mr. reverse heat is what Steve and I call you.
Aaron DID say what i said he did - TWICE!!!!! But GOD forbid he steps up and admits his role. Easier to 1st throw you and bobby under the bus. Then - in typical waliken fashion- denys ever doing something like that. The Silvestro's ( and the 2 other people waiting in line ) never heard me say " I didn't look at your's and Stephen's list- just pokemart and penguinwhatever". I DON'T lie- ask anyone. I am one of the few who calls a spade a spade.And come clean when i'm wrong and make every attempt to make things right. You- on the other hand- seem to thrive on creating drama in our state, then pass the blame onto someone else. "Anyone but us malecs" - pathetic. Must be a freakin' conspiracy rofl!!

I am fed up w/ you and your bs. Your " hypothetical" situation about Heidi sharing deck lists w/ me , her kids - ANY player- is the biggest bunch of b.s. I have ever heard! And YOU offend me. She is the best pto in this damn country- yet all you can do is rag all over her on a public forum- like ANYONE who's name isn't curry or malec cares jim!!! " Heidi is out to get us" . Grow the **** up jim and start acting like a MAN! She is good at her job. I've heard "shady" things your brother has pullled from no less than 5 people this year ( it was the talk of worlds- does he cheat. TRUTH!). Don't want the heat- play legit!

Yeah, fort meyers was cool. I, too, was pleased we cleared the air. But Stephen physically removing mine and his decklist from bobby ( i can call him bobby- this is ok w/ you and w/in the rules, yes) and aaron yesterday shows the kind of people i am dealing with.And i'm sick of it.NOT why i do this w/ my son. And you ( and your cronies) have NO idea what's in the deck ( unless you took a pic of the list w/ a phone cam). The blame falls squarely on Sean- but still bs reading our decklists. i wouldn't ever read yours( for obvious reasons, i like to top cut).

Jim, i want no "double standard" - again if you knew a thing about me or being a man you'd know this.
Stephen saw what he did- period! But you , your dee-dee-dee brother and lying waliken wont just admit it.Doesn;t change what all of you did- and you reaction speaks volumes about ALL of you.

We are NOT cool Jim. I DON'T like you and I am sick of the drama you and the curry's create here in Florida. It is a great state - just a few ( ok, 2, maybe 3) total pain in the *** families giving the rest of us a bad rep. But do me a favor and avoid me like the plague at events. I will give you the same consideration ( i refuse to get kicked out of this game over a jacK*** like you).

One more thing, i can't tell you just how thrilled you are " going nowhere" as long as there is op in Florida. i am , what, 10 - 0 since the nintendo era began against you ( Steve is like x-1 against you) . You always talk and whine after EVERY loss how unlucky you are. See Pop's post ( whine, whine, whine lol) . Except it isn't funny- it's old!

i see your name as my opponenet and i smile- i get points , like getting points for beating the bye, it's jim malec.

Keep showing up " with a big old smile on my face" jim. My big old smile is when i draw you.

Do us both a favor and let this go jim. I have had it with you.

~john

 

[Heidi Craig]

Jim,

Let me help you out. I don't have a problem with your family you seem to have a problem with me. If you want things solved it's up to you to speak to me. So anytime your ready just feel free to make the effort and we can do this through emails or in person but there will be no he said/she said bull when the time comes.

Maybe earlier I should have said PM's not emails because you did PM the problems to other people and I have proof of that but let me guess that is the technicality you have me on either way still the same emails/PM's not much difference.

This really is going no where quick the cards are in your hands now how will you play them? You want things to change make the effort because I really have no clue what you want from me.
Heidi

 

[Squirtle]

Man.... I got all night. Let's keep it going.

 

[Cyrus]

Well, after giving the typical "congrats on your win"-type post, I see this going on, and I gotta make a neutral observer's comment.

It was great to meet you a few months back at nats, Jim, and I've also known the Silvestros for a while. Undoubtedly not as long as the FL crew, but it's been nice chatting with them on and off since the Southern Plains Regional '05. These two have had issues to deal with at our tournaments, but neither time were they out of line for doing so-they had logical reasons to be concerned about the legitimacy of players in the tournament. I wouldn't know for sure who did what, but I do know that the Silvestros must have one heck of a reason for continuing this with you. While you guys will take this to PM inevitably, and work it out like adults, the Silvestros are the only party that was not in the wrong that day-they're the victims, and even if you didn't look/snoop/whatever at their list, remember that in dealing with them.

My two cents. On a side note, Steve's now #2 after this weekend...hopefully I go up to top ten finally, lawl. :thumb:

 

[PokéMart]

While you guys will take this to PM inevitably, and work it out like adults, the Silvestros are the only party that was not in the wrong that day-they're the victims, and even if you didn't look/snoop/whatever at their list, remember that in dealing with them.

My two cents. On a side note, Steve's now #2 after this weekend...hopefully I go up to top ten finally, lawl. :thumb:

I appreciate your post - it was good to meet you too.
And you're right - it was NOT their fault. Leaving the lists out there was a PTO mistake.

But there not the ONLY part that was in the wrong; I for one, had no idea any of this was even going on (so not in the wrong) - hence the whole point of my objection.

Anyway, I think everyone appreciates your calm and considerate reply.

 

[ryanvergel]

I wish I was a moderator here so I could clean up this drama.

Keep it to PM, IM, e-mail, phone, etc. I once brought up a personal little fight on the 'gym and have since grown up and learned that publicly fighting is just stupid. Keep it in private guys, for everyone's sake.

I'm pretty much going to reiterate what Kettlez said- obviously someone messed up because there was a decklist lying around. I don't know if someone read it, but if both parties agree that there was a mistake, then it's obvious one of the silvestros, or both if they use the same lists, are victims. The extent to their victimization is uncertain- because it's hard to know who saw it, if or what they saw, etc.

No matter what though, this shouldn't be taken to the boards.

This is what we call Pokemon?

Seriously guys, take it to PM or e-mail like Heidi said. Take it from me, don't discuss on a public board. It's just rude to drag up that sort of stuff.

On the topic of Steve's performance- Steve, good job on ROCKING that friday. When I checked friday night you were #1 15+ in the continent. With a rating of like 1890. Absolutely phenomenal. Nice finals too with your pops.

I'll see you all January 13/14 =D

 

[Ho Megas Alexandros]

On the topic of Steve's performance- Steve, good job on ROCKING that friday. When I checked friday night you were #1 15+ in the continent. With a rating of like 1890. Absolutely phenomenal. Nice finals too with your pops.

Ryan's a liar! I looked that up and I was the first to congratulate you on that,.... maybe. But those are just semantics. I really just want to say GG and see you soon.

 

[ryanvergel]

Ryan's a liar! I looked that up and I was the first to congratulate you on that,.... maybe. But those are just semantics. I really just want to say GG and see you soon.

You're lying about me lying.

 

[Ho Megas Alexandros]

You're lying about me lying.

Ryan you're a liar and your declaration of me as a liar is invalid on the terms of your a liar and you don't say anything that is true.

 

[ryanvergel]

Ryan you're a liar and your declaration of me as a liar is invalid on the terms of your a liar and you don't say anything that is true.

You're only lying about my lying, so I'm not a liar, but you're just a super liar- one who lies about other people lying so that their lies don't make them look like they're lying liars.

 

[Ho Megas Alexandros]

You're only lying about my lying, so I'm not a liar, but you're just a super liar- one who lies about other people lying so that their lies don't make them look like they're lying liars.

I know you're a liar. I know this because you told me you were recently elected the mayor of Liarsville, Alaska.
Truly no one can believe you.

Liarsville

You know what, I bet you're lying about being elected mayor of Liarsville!

 

[ryanvergel]

I know you're a liar. I know this because you told me you were recently elected the mayor of Liarsville, Alaska.
Truly no one can believe you.

Liarsville

You know what, I bet you're lying about being elected mayor of Liarsville!

You would spread those vicious lies about me! I legitimately won the mayorship of Liarsville. How dare you try to lie about my Liarsville and make it seem like I am a liar. YOU are the true liar!

I hereby ban you from entering my humble city on the grounds that you are a liar. You may never lie beneath the Liarsville night sky!