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Bad Gamesmanship- This needs to stop NOW.

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Actually Clear since the 2nd last cities he always kept his emotions in check. I think he doing a good job about it . I too have some problems about who he's talking about. I'm in senoirs and his little brother purposely cheated me!:mad: Attaching an energy and then playing a few cards then asking for a strech is one thing, i think he's purposely cheating me. It was 1-1 prizes he plays warp point after his strech and attach a warp to Rage 160 for game. When was asking for a strech allowed in swiss Rounds?
 
Let's leave the past at that, I see no point in chasing of what happened in the past.

What needs to be done is for people to know that this is happening and bring it to light, to everyone. So that people know they are doing something out of place, judges can keep an eye on them to make sure that they can't pull off what they are planning.

I think I have told you guys before, I enjoy the process of winning more than winning itself. If I get whooped in a game where I truly gave my best in, I would be satisfied.

There are two things that I absolutely hate, and one of them is gamesmanship tactics such as pace disruption and tricks, which needs to be dealt with.

I honestly thank you for the judges' support for me in this, and I will continue to keep my emotions in check for the future tournaments. When I do see something is wrong, I will be sure to report it.

I like to make one more thing clear though, the intention of this thread is not to accuse them and "convict" them of the things they did. The point is to let everyone know.
 
Clear said:
Let's leave the past at that, I see no point in chasing of what happened in the past.

What needs to be done is for people to know that this is happening and bring it to light, to everyone. So that people know they are doing something out of place, judges can keep an eye on them to make sure that they can't pull off what they are planning.

I think I have told you guys before, I enjoy the process of winning more than winning itself. If I get whooped in a game where I truly gave my best in, I would be satisfied.

There are two things that I absolutely hate, and one of them is gamesmanship tactics such as pace disruption and tricks, which needs to be dealt with.

I honestly thank you for the judges' support for me in this, and I will continue to keep my emotions in check for the future tournaments. When I do see something is wrong, I will be sure to report it.

I like to make one more thing clear though, the intention of this thread is not to accuse them and "convict" them of the things they did. The point is to let everyone know.
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All I seem to hear is QQ. Seriously ignore them if you know what they're up to.
 
Clear said:
There are two things that I absolutely hate, and one of them is gamesmanship tactics such as pace disruption and tricks, which needs to be dealt with.

I honestly thank you for the judges' support for me in this, and I will continue to keep my emotions in check for the future tournaments. When I do see something is wrong, I will be sure to report it.
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"Gamesmanship" is punishable, per the following official policy:
POP Penalty Guidelines said:
7.6.2. Major
Players are expected to behave in a respectful manner to all attendees and staff of a Pokémon
TCG event. Players who don’t behave properly need to be reminded to with the issuance of a
penalty. Infractions in this category have a direct impact on event operation or cause a small
degree of emotional distress to those around them.
Examples of Unsporting Conduct: Major include:
• Leaving a large amount of garbage in the tournament area.
• Failure to comply with the instructions of the event staff.
• Engaging in gamesmanship/rules lawyering.
• Attempting to manipulate a match through intimidation or distraction.
• Refusal to sign a match slip.
• Defacing the tournament area.
• Making legal plays which have no effect on the game in progress to manipulate the time
remaining in a match.
• Playing slowly to manipulate the time remaining in a match.
Recommended Starting Penalty:
Tier 1: Prize Card
Tier 2: Game Loss
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The only question is, do the tactics fit the definition of Gamesmanship intended in this guideline.

Plus, you'll hear some judges say, "the Penalty Guidelines are only guidelines." That's a real pet-peeve of mine, but I've heard some judges actually use that quote as an argument NOT to impose penalties. In my opinion, that's a real cop-out.

That said, I still feel there are "some" forms of acceptable gamesmanship (ie., honest bluffing, tell-reading).
 
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Honest Bluffing means?
- Smiling with a bad hand?
- Looking very serius even you are sure that you'll win next turn if your opponen't doesnt know what you ar going to do?
- Telling your opponent an oppotunity what he can do (like mention that there is Speed Stadium in play, he trowhs 18 times heads and decks out)?
- Saying that my hand is sobad (even if it's good)?
 
Ra2xse said:
Honest Bluffing means?
- Smiling with a bad hand?
- Looking very serius even you are sure that you'll win next turn if your opponen't doesnt know what you ar going to do?
- Telling your opponent an oppotunity what he can do (like mention that there is Speed Stadium in play, he trowhs 18 times heads and decks out)?
- Saying that my hand is sobad (even if it's good)?
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Yeah, honest bluffing is a bit of an oxymoron.

Take Poker as an example. Honest bluffing is raising the pot when you have a bad hand.

So, in your examples, I'd say only the last one is suspect, since your hand is considered private knowlegde. The first two can be used to counter your opponent who is trying to read your tells. The third one (pointing out options to your opponent) could be considered distruption or baiting depending on the circumstances.
 
SteveP said:
Yeah, honest bluffing is a bit of an oxymoron.

Take Poker as an example. Honest bluffing is raising the pot when you have a bad hand.

So, in your examples, I'd say only the last one is suspect, since your hand is considered private knowlegde. The first two can be used to counter your opponent who is trying to read your tells. The third one (pointing out options to your opponent) could be considered distruption or baiting depending on the circumstances.
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I disagree with you on #3. Going by what you say we are not even able to help a new player. As long as you tell them their options and it is the truth then say it is there choice what to do there is no problem with it. I sure hope that is one of the circumstances you are talking about.
 
evil psyduck, like I said, it's all based on circumstances. If a judge hears you telling your opponents options, especially if that's a new player, conceiveable you could be telling them things to direct them away from doing a specific option that might hurt you.

Generally, a tournament is not the place to teach new players. I'm not saying it's entirely inappropriate, but I'm saying it COULD be done inappropriately.
 
yea, Steve, that's the problem I bet.

It's just a guideline, they have to go through a few more strikes before they actually do it.
 
If it's inappropriate for a judge to give the new players hints as to their options, why wouldn't it be inappropriate for an opponent? To me, that would be even worse - since at least the judges are supposed to try to be impartial. If you plan on giving new people some help, by all means do so, but it's definitely more appropriate after the match.
 
Ive played against players with really gamesmanship and during the game its not pretty. Constant raspberry spits everytime they KO my pokemon its just irratating. Saying "Ha-Ha" every time you flip tails. They should do a penalty where the player with gamesmanship lets the opponent draw a prize card.
 
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Ive played against players with really gamesmanship and during the game its not pretty. Constant raspberry spits everytime they KO my pokemon its just irratating. Saying "Ha-Ha" every time you flip tails. They should do a penalty where the player with gamesmanship lets the opponent draw a prize card.
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Wow, is this seniors or juniors? Since I find that hard to believe.
 
I caught a person doing that a few years back. At the time, we didn't think it was quite so terrible. I gave a warning then. Times change of course.
 
One of our better players like to "wave bye-bye" whenever he KO's a Pokemon. I'm used to it, but I can see someone else taking it differently.

There are a number of things you can do to irritate your opponents. Beating them is the only "legal" way. Anything else could get you a penalty.
 
I will admit to doing one particularly annoying thing, as it's the only time I actually get to manipulate my opponent's cards directly.

Every time I replace a Stadium, I have to place my Stadium underneath my opponent's and flip it into the air. I got into the practice b/c I had a number of matches where my opponent refused to discard the Stadium, so I make it quite obvious as to which Stadium is being bumped when I play my own.
 
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