Ban Blaziken Ex: Save The Format

[Prime]

I agree with toysruskid, try out the deck. Gardevior OHKO's blaziken EX in one shot easily. Wailord EX OHKO's in one shot easily. You must remember that even against grass, blaziken EX only does 100 damage because it says not to apply weakness or resistance, making it worse than the non-ex blaziken's attack. Sure you can hit anything, but it does take 2 energy a turn discard to do it. So even if you do get the right combo out and you can do 100 every turn, to any pokemon, another ex can come up and kill it in a few shots. Sceptile kills it in two shots, gardevior ex kills it in 2 shots, etc.

What it does change is the reliance on ex's. Deck will HAVE to run EX's to survive, and I hate that. But I knew it was coming from a mile away. TPC is turning this game into a fight of the EX's even if you hate them. With more sets coming out, people will have to play more than one evolution line of EX's. Not right now, but when more pokemon come out that can do major damage to the bench, you will have to switch to EX's to survive more than one turn. After they come out with pokemon stronger than EX's, the game will be dead. Sorry to say that, but it will. But enough of me getting everyone down, I will let everyone see it for themselves.

 

[Pidgeotto Trainer]

Actually you only don't apply weakness and resistance on the bench.

 

[davechri]

What can withstand 100 damage on the bench? Not much.

If your opponent can get a Blaze EX gets powered up, beware.

 

[GOROY]

Well, we should see what happens in the next couple of weeks.
Does anyone know what happend to Blazzy ex in Japan, did he overrule?

 

[nikePK]

"What it does change is the reliance on ex's. Deck will HAVE to run EX's to survive, and I hate that. But I knew it was coming from a mile away. TPC is turning this game into a fight of the EX's even if you hate them. With more sets coming out, people will have to play more than one evolution line of EX's. Not right now, but when more pokemon come out that can do major damage to the bench, you will have to switch to EX's to survive more than one turn. After they come out with pokemon stronger than EX's, the game will be dead. Sorry to say that, but it will. But enough of me getting everyone down, I will let everyone see it for themselves."


Prime, the set isn't even tested yet. Also, u think TPC is making it ex stuff only? Then [Edit]do we have archie/maxie for? Double Rainbow energy for? Aqua/Magma energy for? They're putting in GOOD cards that help out NON EX pokemon, and I think the super speed may work pretty well. Of course, we just gotta wait and see once testing begins... and now that there is a patch we can start.

 

[mozartrules]

Those of you who suggest that Gardevoir is a big threat doesn't see that Blaziken EX can be played by adding one or two cards to the existing Blaziken decks. If the opponent plays psychic (Gardevoir, Espeon, Muk EX) Blaziken EX becomes TV Reporter discard and the deck continues attacking like it always have (probably Rayquaza EX or Ninetails). The Blaziken deck gets an extra attacker with incredible stats which is likely to floor anything not playing Gardevoir or at least Wobbuffet and it just reverts to the usual modus operandi against the psychics.

It is bad enough trying to cope with Blaziken decks as they are now, but we stand to lose Boost (helps some contenders), Crystal Shard and Ditto. I think you can make a dedicated deck to beat Blaziken EX or one to beast BAR, but not one that can beat both and the Blaziken player can have both. My argument is thus that we should ban either Rayquaza EX OR Blaziken EX and the former would of course be the most sensible thing from a card sales perspective.

Some have expressed hope that the loss of Oracle will hurt Blaziken decks. I hope they are right. The problem is that any slow down in the game favors Blaziken because it excels in the middle/late game.

 

[nikePK]

TOTALLY agree with your first paragraph, Mozart, nicely said.

As for the other stuff.. hey the format hasn't rotated out yet... and has it been stated that the format WILL be rotated out soon?

 

[YoungJohn06]

Maybe we should kinda ya know.... let the decks start being played first before it gets banned. Slowking was banned after a very long time.... I don't think this card needs to be banned, there are ways to beat it just wait til Blastoise Ex comes out and you're gonna see some downfall to Blaziken.

 

[coolhedgie]

Ok look, I think Blaze ex sucks. Sryy everyone, this is called METaGAMING.
Obv No one has noticed that this card is weak to psychic, and as most people know, Gardevoir is probably the most popular deck out there right now, even though RS blaze is better. It can't OHKO a garde ex on the bench, and that means that with a psychic and a boost blaze ex is most likely in the grave. Plus, if you can hold off on playing bench Pokemon, and your opponent has worked so much to get this card up, then a wobbu can stop it easily; that's also another 100 dmg a turn, from a much quicker basic. Also, the card has minimal ways to play 2 fire energies a turn, and so you get a turn or so in between the slaughter to come back. Also, MY favorite card in the set, Aqua's Walrein, can give it big problems, being up on the FIRST TURN with archie. Nice try blaze, but you stink, in my opinion.

Stick to Niniken guys, it's best in format right now. Go for the speed, not the shiny looking ex


~Hedge

 

[mozartrules]

No one has noticed that this card is weak to psychic

You clearly has not read all the posts in this thread that discuss this very topic!

Aqua's Walrein, can give it big problems, being up on the FIRST TURN with archie

You then have to make it active (quite possible, but there aren't many zero retreat basics [fossils would be an option]), but the attacks are not really that great. 20 for one is OK, 30 for 2 is so-so, 40 for 3 is not very good and you can make the first two against Dunsparce who will then run so you can get steamrolled by Rayquaza next round. Did you think the other player was going to let you beat up his fire Pokemon? He may even decide that letting you knock out Dunsparce is the best, it gives him more space on the bench!

Nice try blaze, but you stink, in my opinion.

I mentioned this above, nobody in their right mind is going to build their deck solely around Blaziken EX. It is just a wonderful supplement to the Rayquaza EX or Ninetails that you already have.

 

[Cyrus]

Hmmm, I just realized yet another thing: that fancy Wailord ex/fossil deck must be laughing it up now...

 

[Prime]

Well in Japan, they probably played TM/TA as a totally different game, the same with E-Card, so blaziken would have no way to move the fire up to the attacking blaziken EX.

 

[TheAnswer3]

CoolHedgie: You obviously have no conception to what decks are good and what decks arent in this format to not Realize how great Blaze EX is. Your Gardevior example is completely STUPID.
If you havent noticed Blaziken/ANYTHING beats Gardy 95% of the time, Blaze EX isnt important against gardevior cause the Blaze player is gonna win regardless(pending its not some newb with 1 in his deck)
Blaziken will become even stronger now with the addition of Blaziken EX, and it still wont lose to Gardy even with blaziken EX nice try=/

tA

 

[Prime]

No one has noticed that this card is weak to psychic, and as most people know, Gardevoir is probably the most popular deck out there right now, even though RS blaze is better.

Actually if you check the thread in the tournament section of the forum, you would see that there was alot more blaziken deck win the CC than gardevior decks. That doesn't mean they are more popular though.

It can't OHKO a garde ex on the bench, and that means that with a psychic and a boost blaze ex is most likely in the grave.

Your opponent does 100 damage and discards 2 energy. In a deck like this, there will be NO OTHER ENERGY on your opponent's side of the field, meaning you have to get 2 more energy on your side of the field(if they aren't using boost) without one of your gardeviors(got OHKO by blaziken EX). So you better hope your gardevior EX is fully powered, and you have a boost in your hand.

Plus, if you can hold off on playing bench Pokemon, and your opponent has worked so much to get this card up, then a wobbu can stop it easily

If you have no bench and your only attacking is wobbuffet, they send up regular blaziken and hit you for 50 and in two turns your dead the game is theres.

Also, the card has minimal ways to play 2 fire energies a turn, and so you get a turn or so in between the slaughter to come back.

OMGosh, where have you been? Every heard of ampharos or the better version just released in TM/TA aqua's manectric? If you get out either of them and two blaziken on the bench, that is 100 damage every turn with no flips, 100% of the time.

Also, MY favorite card in the set, Aqua's Walrein, can give it big problems, being up on the FIRST TURN with archie. Nice try blaze, but you stink, in my opinion.

Okay, so how many turns does it take you to power up? 4? Okay, what if they send up a blaziken or a aqua's manectric? You OHKO it, making you return 4 energy to your hand, then they send up blaziken EX. It takes you four turns to power up, but sadly your KO'ed after two. Too bad!

Stick to Niniken guys, it's best in format right now. Go for the speed, not the shiny looking ex

I'm sorry but I must disagree. ANY water pokemon that can do 50 damage, especially walrein can OHKO EVERY SINGLE CARD in your deck. With blaziken/EX/manectric, you have good water tech to do 100 damage(120 with one dark attached) to any water pokemon that comes up that has a electric weakness, and most do. Right now Niniken is good, but when the set is officially released, blaziken EX will be the big deck fighting gardevior for the top. Easy as that.

 

[yoshi1001]

Very interesting. We've fallen into the usual pattern here:

1. Someone was says a card is broken and should be banned.
2. People debate whether it really is that good.
3. Invariably the conversation gets to the point where a concensus cannot be reached, and they resort to name-calling and insults.

I don't know if BEX is game-breaking. This set isn't even modified-legal for a week. I can say one thing, though: The more people say it is broken, the more interest there is in the card. Thus, popularity becomes a function of infamy.

 

[Xeno]

Before this can be debated, I think we should wait until they are available to be played. No offense but I just don't trust Apprentice. In a few weeks, we should see the power of this card in the local tournaments.

 

[Pidgeotto Trainer]

Niniken can play Blaziken ex too Prime.

 

[Scizor]

UGH where to start. T-Tar and i have been discussing Blaziken ex and its pure brokenness since when it was released in Japan. It was translated as we feared, actually even worse. To say that BLAZIKEN/ANYTHING is not dominating the format like Gatr did is a ridicoulus statement. When Gatr was in its prime, it also had things to compete against (CROBAT, V-Bell) but it was still played in HUGE numbers and dominated most all of the events in its time. To say that Blaziken hasn't done the same so far in ONE tourney tour (CC's) is ridicoulus, i'm sorry. Now adding a card that the deck can easily splash 2 of is unfair. Gardy is overrated anyway, go ahead and flame all you guys want, but its become "OLD" and while it may be more popular the only people that say Gardy CAN beat Blaziken and all its varients PRE BLAZIKEN EX and when it is released have either not ever played Blaziken, are bad players and/or they have no idea what this format is all about.

Yoshi - I am sorry but calling T-Tar666 SOMEONE, CHRIS FULOP for all you who do not know him is not a good statement. He is a well established player and the ones who have any idea who is a good player in this game, know that he is one of the WORLDS top players. If a player of his calibur, one who studies the format consistently, playtests pretty much EVERY day, most of the time with myself, and cares enough about this game, because he SPENDS his time, dumps tons of $$ into the game Starts a topic like this about a card, he obviously has a reason for it, and a great one at that. WE (the ones who have agreed it should be banned) know what the outcome of the State Championships will be and how much this card will dominate and make Blaziken decks one of the most powerful decks, if not THE most powerful deck of ALL time and we care enough about this GREAT game and GREAT format to stop it BEFORE it is ruined, that is all.

 

[Prime]

Prime, the set isn't even tested yet. Also, u think TPC is making it ex stuff only?

The only non-EX cards that can survive ONE attack from blaziken EX is pokemon with 120 HP. So yes, I do think TPC is only making the EX's better.

Then Edit do we have archie/maxie for?

They only get out magma/aqua pokemon and only 2 have more than 100 HP! So you get them out second turn, so what? You miss your first turn supporter use, which would have been research, oracle or something that would have gotten you better cards. Then it takes you 4 turns to power up that pokemon, less if you get out multiple swampert/venusaur which probably won't happen. Then you can't even attach boost to them because they are "basics" now, and lookie, you cannot attack DRE to them aswell because they are "basics". Blaziken then hits the bench destorying everything that has less than 110 HP EVERY turn and the game is over. You OHKO a blaziken EX, they bring up another one and win the game.

Double Rainbow energy for?

True, very true. But see with two DRE you can power up any pokemon but they will do 20 less damage, and unless they have 110+ HP, they will be blaziken bait and OHKO'd.

Aqua/Magma energy for?

Which GO AWAY AT THE END OF THE TURN!? hahaha! They only can be attached to aqua/magma pokemon aswell! Gosh, the lamest energy yet!

 

[yoshi1001]

Scizor-And that gives him the right to be mean? He may be very correct, but the tone has got to go.