Box Ratios changed?

[vaporeon]

What on the packs says thats in a box. Those numbers probably refer to the entire print run not individual box.

A box is suppose to reflect a print run, not what you get from Wal-Marts shelf. I have not seen a booster pack since pre-release so I don't know if they have the ratio data on them.

 

[TheDancingPeanut]

My guess is that this was changed because too many people had "broken the code" about how to locate the Ultra-Rare cards.

It's a welcome change, in my opinion, for that reason alone.

 

[AnUnown]

My guess is that this was changed because too many people had "broken the code" about how to locate the Ultra-Rare cards.

It's a welcome change, in my opinion, for that reason alone.

What code is that? You mean just buying a box and being guaranteed to get one? If so, as "meh" as it sounds, it's probably a good move. Gaming the system never really leads to a sustainable ecosystem.

 

[Master_Z]

At league a couple days ago, we pulled 5 ex's out of the box packs in the store.

 

[iLifeless]

What code is that? You mean just buying a box and being guaranteed to get one? If so, as "meh" as it sounds, it's probably a good move. Gaming the system never really leads to a sustainable ecosystem.

scaling. probally

 

[Darkrai*]

"Breaking the code" in terms of opening 3 packs from the box and getting the 3 EX cards.
There still is a pattern, but it is longer and therefore more randomized per box.

 

[kakle]

I welcome the change, it didnt really affect me as i opened 3 boxes got 6 normal ex, 3 full art ex and two secret rares, i pulled them all in the wrong order with new system but it seems from the other replies the ratio has not changed.

The reason i like this change is because it sucks when either yourself or someone else pulls a full art or ex from a display, you now know what is left in the box, which makes buying the other packets risky, especially if there are alot of packets still in the box, that box might stay there a while, now its any ones guess.

These were the most exciting boxes i've opened since learning that boxes had set counts(since they no longer do).

 

[TheDancingPeanut]

Previously, you could pull all of the Ultra-Rares while opening no more than 33% of the box. Sometimes even less. I've never seen anyone hit 3/3, but I suppose it would have been possible with enough data.

 

[Bigbowlr1037]

Previously, you could pull all of the Ultra-Rares while opening no more than 33% of the box. Sometimes even less. I've never seen anyone hit 3/3, but I suppose it would have been possible with enough data.

Pokemoncards247 hit 3/3 on boxes 4&5 of his dark explorers case on youtube so its possible

 

[Mac Sting]

My guess is that this was changed because too many people had "broken the code" about how to locate the Ultra-Rare cards.

It's a welcome change, in my opinion, for that reason alone.

Just thought I'd let you know the code still works.

 

[TheDancingPeanut]

Just thought I'd let you know the code still works.

The code may still work, but if the box ratios are mixed then there would be no way to use for.

Just for the record, I never sell single packs anywhere. I used this method to save me time, so that when I purchased multiple cases I could pull the URs first and then go back and open the rest later.

However, knowing what I now know, I would never ever ever buy single packs online.

 

[saturn]

I was quoting this...
5 Hydreigon is $50 + Terrakion is $75 all together...
So I mean it is still profitable?

No where near getting THIS:

1x Mew EX FA
1x Mew EX
1x Giratina EX
1x Ho-oh EX
1x Krookodile shiny

110$

Or THIS:

Mew EX
Mew EX FA
Registeel EX FA
Terrakion EX
Shiny Rayquaza

230$

Or THIS:

Terrakion EX 40
Giratina EX 10
Ho-Oh EX 10
Rayquaza EX FA 40
Ho-Oh EX FA 10
SR Reuniclus 20

130$

Or EVEN THIS:

x2 Mew EX FA/REG
x2 Registeel FA/REG
x1 Terrakion EX
x3 Garchomp Mach Cut x1 RH
x1 Hydreigon Ability

210$

I don't buy the box to make money, I don't care how much money people are making from them. To me it's getting cards to play at tournaments and pokemon league... I get them to play the game.

For those who got none, you got like 5 garchomp that is $75 already.

Not true. We went though a box at our store yesterday and there was 2 EX and the was NO mach cut garchomp and 1 alteria and no hydreigon. So that's not true either.

I was simply stating that because he was buying a case, in which the ratio would more than likely even out to what previous sets had. I had two boxes out of my 4 where I only pulled 2 EXs so Im not HAPPY about it, but I did pull 2 Ray Shinys in the other two boxes so it lessened my anger a bit.

It obvious that if you buy more boxes the more you get. I'm glad you at least got some shinies out of the other 2 boxes.

I got a good box, 3 EX 2 FA, but hearing about these ratios is scary. If Pokemon is doing this on purpose. It's a bad bushiness decision. It's going to scare off a lot of people who would normally buy a box. I know that I for one will not buy a box of the next set if these ratios don't change. The gamble isn't worth it.

Several people I know who normally get boxes did NOT get them for this set because the gamble is too expensive. You might as well just buy the cards out right because it's cheaper then buying a box.

I've never ever been lucky in pulls or pre-releases or coin flips and getting a box was the one thing I could rely on to allow me to get most of the cards I needed to play the game. IF I have to gamble on getting 1 - 6 of the good cards (I'm taking about the EX's Primes, whatever the set is Shinies have always been 1 and so many boxes which is normal *getting 2 in a box is not though*) for 90-100$. That money could get you at least 4 EX's for that price.

 

[charuzu]

Opened a box of DRX yesterday and got pretty sick pulls.

1x Mew EX
1x Mew EX FA
1x Ho-Oh EX
1x Registeel EX FA
1x Rayquaza Secret Rare

Not to mention two Garchomps, two Hydreigons, a Ninetales, and plenty of usable stuff. My friend opened two boxes while I slowly opened my packs but got burnt on his. Another box to be opened on Thursday. So far so good for me, but it sounds pretty terrible getting a bad box these days.

 

[Kunx990]

I have my box openings on my youtube account but in some other boxes I have gotten:
A whole play set of Mach Cut Garchomp line, Hydregion lines infinite Emolgas and trainers and energy as well as at least 2 of every EX with it's Full Art with just Terrakion missing.

All in all I'd say it was a good case, other than getting two Serperior as the secret and one Reuniclus

 

[Electric Spider]

In my 2 boxes, I pulled.

1 Shiny Serperior
1 Rayquaza EX
No Hydreigon
No Garchomp

and

1 FA Mew EX
1 Terrakion EX
1 Rayquaza EX
1 Giratina EX
3 Garchomp (1 was reverse)
No Hydreigon

 

[keniselvis]

Bought one box.

Left side:
2nd pack: Terrakion EX FA
4th pack: Raquaza EX
12th pack: Shiny Reuniclus

right side:
9th pack: Registeel EX FA
16th pack: Giratina EX

Also pulled 1 RH Hydreigon and one good garchomp. Pretty happy with my box.

 

[SlimeyGrimey]

I guess this explains why I got 0 Blend WLFM in my box...

 

[acktacky]

I bought a box (completely sealed with the Pokemon logo on it), and got no EXs and no shinys in it.

I was already really hesitant to purchase a box, but was accepting the fact that "oh, I'll AT LEAST get 2 EXs and 1 FA." That didn't happen. I got 2 Garbadors, 1 Hydregion Ability, 2 Altaria, 3 Blend Energies, and then a bunch of other random stuff. Sure, it filled my binder, but when I'm trying to collect, I buy the boxes so I can have a better chance of having my money pay off.

I highly suggest that anybody that was unhappy with their box (or those that WERE happy with their box), to file a comment to Pokemon, as I did. With how many people that are saying they are unwilling to buy boxes from now on (as I might), they need to know they have done something severely detrimental to the community and themselves.

 

[Ditto]

It used to be that buying a box gave you guaranteed ratios. This made it smarter to buy by the box, rather than by the pack.

Now, not only are the boxes just as random as the packs (which means it's the same chance to buy either) but this is the same for cases as well. Maybe distributors can get sealed items higher than a case, but as far as I know a case is the highest sealed product you can get.

Once you get out of sealed product, you don't get any more ratio guarantees.

Sure, Pokemon can change whatever they want, but it's bad business. The statistical value of packs have become super low.

Dark Explorers Pack $1.57
Emerging Powers Pack $1.49
Next Destinies Pack $1.24
Noble Victories Pack $0.73
Black White Pack $0.48

Add maybe $.50 - $.75 for the price of bulk commons/uncommons, but this is basically what packs are worth, based on statistical pull rates and secondary market card prices.

What this means is that unless you can get a pack of Dark Explorers for $1.57 or less, it's better to just buy the card that you're hoping to get in the pack off the secondary market.

While the change in box ratios probably doesn't affect these numbers, it does affect the reason that people buy boxes: To not get worse numbers than these.

Now, it no longer matters whether you buy a pack, a box, or a case. Your chances of getting something are still the same. The only reason it's better to buy in a box or case is for the bulk discount you get on the price.

It just doesn't make sense to buy packs anymore, in any form. Remember those numbers are statistical averages, meaning the packs you open could come out much much worse. They also could come out much better, but the chance is greater that they'll come out worse. Box ratios used to guarantee these averages, now it's all random.

The pack is dead to the smart player.

 

[Mac Sting]

This is why I don't buy boxes and just buy singles. Saves you from getting a complete junk box.