Thats what he is trying to get across to everybody because that card doesn't have the same effect but same name whereas computer search has the same effect and same name it's just an ace spec now.
Computer Search and Why Both Forms Should Be Legal
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Thats what he is trying to get across to everybody because that card doesn't have the same effect but same name whereas computer search has the same effect and same name it's just an ace spec now.
Regis_Neo
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Well you have to consider the other motive here as well...what would drive sales of boosters if a card as good as Computer Search ACE SPEC could be bought for pennies simply by using the ancient Base Set one if errata is allowed?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use my old Computer Search like how I use my original DCEs, but it doesn't do much for sales by allowing cards made before many players were even born to be used. I'd love for errata to make it usable, but at the same time I'm getting ready to plop down cash for the new ACE SPEC version too.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use my old Computer Search like how I use my original DCEs, but it doesn't do much for sales by allowing cards made before many players were even born to be used. I'd love for errata to make it usable, but at the same time I'm getting ready to plop down cash for the new ACE SPEC version too.
Envoyofduels
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Hmmm... Card Type ?
But one example here is enough to counter that - "BILL" version from BS (Trainer in BS era) WAS LEGAL in HS-on (as a Supporter) - so what ?
Sorry, but it seems so, that all officials here are defending wrong (not consistent with rulings - and simply no logical at all) decision ;(
Maybe someone has forgotten to CHANGE the name of that card - and now all others (from the same side) know, that the old version will be many times cheaper than the new one, "ultra-hiper-super rare" - yes, that the real reason, and the real problem (real, cause financial
), but it shouldn't be players problem (!) at all.Hmmm... Card Type ?
But one example here is enough to counter that - "BILL" version from BS (Trainer in BS era) WAS LEGAL in HS-on (as a Supporter) - so what ?
Sorry, but it seems so, that all officials here are defending wrong (not consistent with rulings - and simply no logical at all) decision ;(
Maybe someone has forgotten to CHANGE the name of that card - and now all others (from the same side) know, that the old version will be many times cheaper than the new one, "ultra-hiper-super rare" - yes, that the real reason, and the real problem (real, cause financial
This may not be consistent with the Bill ruling in HGSS on, but it is consistent with the Pokemon Center (NEX). If you are preaching consistency has logic for the Computer Search ruling you need to acknowledge the current ruling on Pokémon Center. The fact that Bill is rotated keeps Pokemon Center and Computer Search case type cards consistent.
I was comparing Pokemon Center and Computer Search (and Bill) because these have underwent a change in card classification change (Trainer-Item to different class of Trainer), and maintained consistency (excluding Bill) with each other. Bill being inconsistent with the other two, is really a moot point considering Bill is out of format.
I would agree that Super Rod is inconsistent with cards that maintained the same card classification. If Super Rod gets errataed (exactly how Great Ball, Rare Candy, Plus Power and Potion got an errata) inconsistency would be less of a problem.
Sorry, but Super Rod is not an example of this having any inconsistency. The card type is the same (a general, play as often as you like Trainer).
Bill and Here Comes Team Rocket! would be proper examples to use.
What you may find is that, in the future, cards like these will NOT allow their older versions to be played.
TheDarkTwins
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Um, you were allowed to use the old Here Comes Team Rocket! when the supporter version came out. The ruling was you just play them as supporters, but they were MOST DEFINITELY legal when those cards were rereleased as supporters. I'm not sure where you are getting that info from Mike, but that's definitely wrong.
Drew
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Nothing to say that hasn't already been said.
I feel like it's a money related decision. They make what was originally just a card of normal holo rarity in japan an ultra rare for us and on top of that won't allow the old version for play? It's still the same type of trainer. The old computer search is considered a trainer-item, as is this one. The only thing is the 1 per deck rule now. That thing seems like such a minor thing when you consider cards like Bill that could be used last format were an entirely different class of trainer card.
If you can play nonsense like bs revive, ng super rod, great ball, etc. (which are only the same card by name and have abilities nowhere CLOSE to what the cards do now) with a reference I think it's a greedy and totally MORONIC decision to not let us use Computer Search which does literally exactly what it's 15 year old counterpart does.
Best solution is to issue an errata on the old Computer Search and make people have a reference. I don't see how someone could possibly disagree with that.
I feel like it's a money related decision. They make what was originally just a card of normal holo rarity in japan an ultra rare for us and on top of that won't allow the old version for play? It's still the same type of trainer. The old computer search is considered a trainer-item, as is this one. The only thing is the 1 per deck rule now. That thing seems like such a minor thing when you consider cards like Bill that could be used last format were an entirely different class of trainer card.
If you can play nonsense like bs revive, ng super rod, great ball, etc. (which are only the same card by name and have abilities nowhere CLOSE to what the cards do now) with a reference I think it's a greedy and totally MORONIC decision to not let us use Computer Search which does literally exactly what it's 15 year old counterpart does.
Best solution is to issue an errata on the old Computer Search and make people have a reference. I don't see how someone could possibly disagree with that.
King Piplup
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Since a lot of you seem to be living under rocks, it's worth noting that Ace Specs are not "regular holo rares" in Japan. In fact, they are the same rarity, if not rarer then EX's over there.
Note, Drew, that I was giving them as examples that people could use to say that in the past cards that are different kinds were allowed.
Then, in my last sentence, I talk about the future. So that has no bearing on what was allowed in the past. Follow?
Broken Pokemon EX
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The ace spec cards have a rarity of R in Japan which is the same rarity as normal holos over there and regular EXes. They usually pull 1-2 per box, when their boxes only have 20 packs (I think, it's some number much lower than hours) that's pretty good.
bullados
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Pop, it IS an example to use, because there was a MAJOR TEXT CHANGE on that card, while there is no major text change on the new card.
There is no gameplay-affecting text change whatsoever.
Center was disallowed because it violated BOTH of the problems. It had a MAJOR TEXT CHANGE and it had a CARD TYPE CHANGE.
There has never been a card that has been banned when it was EITHER a MAJOR TEXT CHANGE or a CARD TYPE CHANGE. Bill was a card type change only, and it was legal with a reference. HCTR was a card type change only, and it was legal with a reference. The only card that has been banned like this was one that had BOTH.
This is a decision that is inconsistent with previous rulings on card legality.
Update the Card-Dex so that Comp Search can be consistent with every other card that has been re-released in this manner. This will solve all of the problems associated with this.
Until then, I will repeat my mantra.
Please allow us to play Base Set Computer Search.
SomethingElse
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I've just assumed the reason why they're just saying no Base Set Computer Search is because even if it was legal, you'd need a reference. And if you need a reference, you can only play 1 Base Set Computer Search anyway, so just put the reference in the deck and don't use an unnecessary reference.
bullados
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Then the solution is simple.
Update the Card-Dex.
IIRC, its use is still allowed for competitive play. But it hasn't been updated in, what, 2 years?
Update the Card-Dex, and all the anger goes away.
psychup2034
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The Card-Dex hasn't been legal for use in competitive play in 3 years...
This is just about Pokemon wanting to sell more product.
How about, as a solution, at every tournament, there's a big jar labeled "OLD COMPUTER SEARCH" fund. If you want to play a deck with old computer search, you drop a dollar in the jar? That ought to solve the problem. Anyone have any other ideas about how to solve the money issue?
How about, as a solution, at every tournament, there's a big jar labeled "OLD COMPUTER SEARCH" fund. If you want to play a deck with old computer search, you drop a dollar in the jar? That ought to solve the problem. Anyone have any other ideas about how to solve the money issue?
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