Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Computer Search and Why Both Forms Should Be Legal

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Point 1:

Disagree with a ruling all you want. Fight for it to be changed. Promote your viewpoint. All of these are fine and encouraged.
Call employees of Pokemon liars because you disagree with a ruling and their stated reason for it, AND I'LL BAN YOUR ***.

Fair warning on this. That is outside of legitimate discourse and is a personal attack.

Point 2:
That Quick Ball ruling would be changed now based on the new Random Receiver ruling, if we went back to update rulings for Unlimited.
 
cabd said:
Quick Ball (Majestic Dawn; DP Trainer Kit 1 (Gold); Mysterious Treasures)

Q. If I use Quick Ball and the very first card revealed is a Pokemon, do I still have to shuffle my deck?
A. If the first revealed card is a Pokemon then the deck is not shuffled as there are no "other revealed cards" to shuffle back in. (Oct 25, 2007 PUI Rules Team)


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gg no re :lol:

I think allowing the old one would make more sence but I can see why they woudltn allow it. But what worries me is that computer search might be not even 1 per box but something like ray*, a 1 per 3/4 boxes, and this could have horrible effects on the secondary market. If it was a regular foil or at least a once per box card It wouldnt be that bad but depending on how rare it turns out to be, well Im worried... And allwoing the old one to be used would completly avoid that can of worms for now (until scramble switch arrives)
 
baby mario said:
Does anyone know if Japanese players are allowed to use the old Computer Search?

Because if it was ruled in Japan that they are to be treated as separate cards, TPCI may not be able to go against that, even if they wanted to.
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Tables will be flipped if they get to and we do not.
 
How about a compromise between the two sides?

If we can't play the Base Set Comp Search without a reference, then UPDATE THE CARD-DEX AND PROVIDE US WITH A REFERENCE.

It's been done before.

It can be done again.

Why the Card-Dex hasn't been updated in Maker knows how long is so far beyond me...
 
Spoiler alert: Japan isn't allowed to.

For the many doubters, post 8 on this thread over on SixPrizes

Rogan aka Japanese player said:
Rogan said:
I haven't seen any tournament where that has been an issue, if that's what you're asking. I can look up the rules real quick.


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Translation:

"ACE SPEC" cards are Trainer's Cards with special rules.
"ACE SPEC" cards, regardless of the name of the card, are limited to one per deck. "ACE SPEC" cards are limited to one per deck in both half deck (30 card) and standard (60 card) formats. For example, you may only have 1 "Gold Potion" or 1 "Computer Search" in your deck not one of each.
"ACE SPEC" cards are otherwise used the same on your turn as other Trainer's cards of the same type.

(Trainer's here refers to the card type, not specifically "Items" or "Supporters" or "Stadiums". It is possible that we'll have ACE SPEC Stadiums or Supporters in the future.)

Looking at this, it is pretty clear to me that these "ACE SPEC" cards are treated completely different from their non-ACE SPEC Trainer's and therefore are considered different cards. I would safely assume that you cannot use the base set cards in official tournaments and if you were running unlimited that you could technically run 5 computer searches.

EDIT: Also to further answer any more questions, I have looked on the official site and there are only two "rulings" on Computer Search. Those being 1. You can't use Gold Potion and Computer Search in the same deck and 2. You can't use Computer search if you have no cards in your deck.
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Ok there are many things to take into account firstly pokemon is a game/hobby for many of us including myself, but for nintendo this is not a game this is a business, so his main goal is earn money. In order to earn money the need to do sort of manipulation with the rulings AKA not allow people to play a 2 dollars card called computer search because it doesn't say "ACE SPEC" so that we have to buy the new ultra rare computer search (I'm not sure if it's gonna be ultra rare) which is probably worth around 40 to 80 dollars as happened with rayquaza shiny.

Another thing and it's my opinion reference cards should be avoided I mean before the game the player must tell his/her opponent which errated card/cards is he playing and also show it/them. But regardless of it seriously? how many of the opponents you will face at a tournament aren't going to know what a competitive cards such computer search does?

With this many players will probably quit using older cards or maybe not but if they want to do that they have to pay the price of telling which cards are playing.
 
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sebastianlugo said:
Another thing and it's my opinion reference cards should be avoided I mean before the game the player must tell his/her opponent which errated card/cards is he playing and also show it/them. But regardless of it seriously? how many of the opponents you will face at a tournament aren't going to know what a competitive cards such computer search does?

With this many players will probably quit using older cards or maybe not but if they want to do that they have to pay the price of telling which cards are playing.
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Sorry, but what?
No, you don't have to tell your opponent ahead of time what reference cards you are using.
They get shown when the card is played.
 
PokePop said:
Sorry, but what?
No, you don't have to tell your opponent ahead of time what reference cards you are using.
They get shown when the card is played.
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sebastianlugo said:
Another thing and it's my opinion reference cards should be avoided I mean before the game the player must tell his/her opponent which errated card/cards is he playing and also show it/them. But regardless of it seriously? how many of the opponents you will face at a tournament aren't going to know what a competitive cards such computer search does?
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As I said it's my opinion. It's not written in gold letters on hell's gates :thumb:

It's ridiculous to see someone playing an older super rod, what's the point of it? you don't have a new 15 cents card? I think they do it just to catch a bit of attention
 
There is one scenario where, if it were required, using an outside reference becomes a viable option-suppose at Worlds 2013 one of the top decks uses the new Computer Search (entirely possible), and gets printed as a World Championships deck. Since World Championships cards are legal as references, if a Worlds 2013 deck + an old-school Computer Search is cheaper than a Computer Search from Boundaries Crossed (we can only speculate at this point), it becomes reasonable.

So TPCi's obvious motive here is to sell more Worlds 2013 decks after allowing the new version of the card as a reference at a later date. :wink:

I'm not committing to a final opinion regarding what should be done with this card, but it does seem like the card designers are finding mining nostalgia to be a tricky business.

P.S. The Random Receiver mechanic goes back at least this far.
 
Even if it became legal but need reference what the use.. not like you playing 4 Computer Search a deck.. you only allowed 1..
 
sebastianlugo said:
It's ridiculous to see someone playing an older super rod, what's the point of it? you don't have a new 15 cents card? I think they do it just to catch a bit of attention
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And there's something wrong with doing something that's allowed? I play with older cards if I can typically and I use references when needed. I like older cards therefore yes I will play that old Super rod.
 
For anyone who thinks they'll disallow old Computer Searches because they want to make more money from the competitive player buying packs, keep in mind the many many times they have told us that their primary market is little kids who randomly get their parents to buy packs at retail stores, and NOT us players. If that is true, then there should be no harm to the market by allowing old Comp Searches to be used...right? right??
 
Yoshi- said:
Thing is, its a 5$ card in japan (I bought one at worlds), I think its a regular rare card and not even a silver star, so they dont even have a reason to use old ones. I wish wed just get the exact same stuff japan gets:(
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Here's the rub, for me: We don't know what we're getting yet. All we have is speculation based on a digital image. Once people start opening the packs we'll know exactly how difficult to find these cards are.
 
tinox6 said:
For anyone who thinks they'll disallow old Computer Searches because they want to make more money from the competitive player buying packs, keep in mind the many many times they have told us that their primary market is little kids who randomly get their parents to buy packs at retail stores, and NOT us players. If that is true, then there should be no harm to the market by allowing old Comp Searches to be used...right? right??
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Just because it's their primary market, doesn't mean it's the only one they care about, does it?
 
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