rileysill32
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Who cares? It's over and done with. It's a card game. Go do something more productive with your time.
Me: Draws an extra card for my turn.
Judge: Sees me do this but doesn’t step in to say anything. He watches me continue to beat my opponent to see how many times I’ll do that throughout the event. So he’s letting me cheat and beat opponents because he wants to double check and have other judge’s double check before he calls me on it?
Wait, am I missing something from this one? Did you draw an extra card and then wait to see if the judges would do something about it? And how do you know for sure that your opponent saw it?
Here’s an example of them targeting me with the same actions on how they went about my situation but in yet another different scenario.*(This didn’t happen but it’s an example and is strictly a made up scenario)
You are missing that Gino was depicting a fictitious scenario. He said this right before what you quoted:
Seems like Gino's argument is, "My opponent didn't see it, so therefore it didn't happen." That's a bit thin.
Please keep in mind that I am merely stating my insight on this drama.
I don't know if I'm the only one noticing this, but all your opponents had no idea whether or not you were cheating. "I don't recall if you did or didn't..." "You didn't do anything like that... except maybe a couple of times" A good cheat can fly under the radar. I personally don't see the need in getting all 5 opponents to state "he didn't cheat". Since we only see a snippet of your conversations who knows what other questions/statements could have been said. Irregardless, that's the thing about the internet, it is so ambiguous and you don't need to show everything...
From the facts you stated, it is up in arms whether or not you are the victim. Your proof doesn't argue that you are innocent.
To clarify re: concern about a Warning prior to DQ. I don't know if this was the infraction sited, but if, indeed it was, there is no grounds for receiving a warning.
From the Penalty Guidelines: 7.6.4. Cheating
Players who intentionally commit infractions are looking to gain an unfair advantage over other players at the event. The Head Judge should carefully consider whether an infraction was intentional or not before applying this penalty. If the Head Judge feels that an infraction was unintentional, this penalty should not be applied.
Examples of Unsporting Conduct: Cheating include:
- Drawing extra cards.
- Taking cards from the discard pile and adding them to your hand or deck.
- Offering some form of compensation to an opponent for a concession.
- Altering match results after the conclusion of the match.
- Playing with marked cards.
- Lying to event staff.
- Arbitrarily adjusting the Special Conditions or damage counters put on any Pokémon in play.
- Use of dubious game actions intended to deceive your opponent into making misplays.
- Attempting to manipulate a random result.
- Stacking your deck.
Recommended Starting Penalty:
Tier 1: Disqualification
Tier 2: Disqualification
I don't know anything about cheating, but knowing the bottom card of your deck doesn't seem that valuable to me...
Let's say Gino Was cheating, according to his claim, many judges saw it, and it only got penalized when deshaw saw it.
Anwyay IF he he was cheating he would have been DQed r1. My point is why the big drama lama doing it r5, then banning him 2 weeks later?
In the case he WAS guilty he should have been DQed r1 and the ban happen the next day or whatever.
Tina.. Deshaw wasn't involved as noted by Pokepop earlier. There is way too much speculation and misinformation. Gino didn't help by inserting paragraphs of hypotheticals that also did not occur but are being read by the casual observer as if they did. The irony is that some are upset that Gino wasn't DQ'd the exact second a judge suspected something. Then at the other end of the spectrum there are others that think this was a setup and rush to judgement. Possibly the truth lies in the middle. A judge observes something calls it to the attention of another judge to consult and get their opinion. Then the head judge is involved to apply their experience and observation. It involves a process not a single act by a single person. I am also not following the "shoulda got a warning" camp. While a player or even a judge may feel that sentiment, the penalty guidelines do not provide that option. Per the guidelines, once the head judge has determined intentional action, the starting penalty is DQ.
I am not going to speculate on the ban, or the timing of the ban as I do not live in the mind of TPCi. The ban letter that Gino posted did not specifically mention the DQ in Philly (or any other specific action). Therefore, you are only assuming that the ban decision was a result of Philly when in fact there is no evidence of that. I am only commenting to caution that it is prudent to stick with facts and not assumptions. I wish Gino the very best.
I'm about to step on many toes right now, and I really could care less.
What do you honestly expect from what's essentially a "team" of middle aged adults? It's not like things like this haven't happened before. The entire company is a joke. Some of the judges and higher staff are extremely credible, sensible and intelligent (Heidi Craig, Pokepop, etc), but for the most part, and from what I see online, the staff in general is a gigantic joke. While I am not commenting particularly on the Gino Lombardi scandal, I don't know why OP/TPCI fails to show that they can be professional. It doesn't just happen with bans, but in general. They have no idea what they're doing. No values or regards for the playerbase. I sincerely hope that this game gets almost an entire staff overhaul, especially people like SD_Pokemom who are an absolute joke online . It aggravates me to no end that this game has gone downhill, and for the most part, it's on the judges. These people really don't care about the game as a whole, as long as their league or numbers are hit properly and they make their money. Jason K winning worlds because the judges were too lazy to observe him attaching AN EXTRA ENERGY CARD during a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH? Is this a joke? The world champion did not win in correct fashion. Constant errors like this are so incredibly frustrating to me, especially now that money is on the line moreso than ever.
Watches are allowed, but you can't look at them? I've had a judge tell me this.
One judge will do/say this, another does that. There are clearly no standards as to what is correct and what isn't. I've lost countless games via incorrect judge penalties. You can win or lose a tournament based off of one ruling. It's not even one of those particular instances that bothers me, though, despite losing out of multiple top cut scenarios due to this. It's the constant inconsistencies thanks to bad judging, biased judges and the like.
Extremely disappointed with this company.
Wait, taking a game loss during the final was all part of his master plan to win Worlds? Ugh, it's so obvious now! How could nobody have seen that before you said that?!