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DQed from regionals and BANNED two weeks later (I was set-up)

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...and PokePop would have likely made another "factual correction" here since Gino did bring this point up

Just because I didn't do a point by point fact check of Gino's outline of what happened should not be taken to mean that I am agreeing with every bit of it.

I felt that Pete DeShaw being incorrectly thrown into the midst of this was something that was important to correct.

If you toss out ALL of the supposition of motives and opinion from his post, the bare facts are not too far off.
But there is a LOT in there aside from those bare facts.
 
Tina.. Deshaw wasn't involved as noted by Pokepop earlier. There is way too much speculation and misinformation. Gino didn't help by inserting paragraphs of hypotheticals that also did not occur but are being read by the casual observer as if they did. The irony is that some are upset that Gino wasn't DQ'd the exact second a judge suspected something. Then at the other end of the spectrum there are others that think this was a setup and rush to judgement. Possibly the truth lies in the middle. A judge observes something calls it to the attention of another judge to consult and get their opinion. Then the head judge is involved to apply their experience and observation. It involves a process not a single act by a single person. I am also not following the "shoulda got a warning" camp. While a player or even a judge may feel that sentiment, the penalty guidelines do not provide that option. Per the guidelines, once the head judge has determined intentional action, the starting penalty is DQ.

I am not going to speculate on the ban, or the timing of the ban as I do not live in the mind of TPCi. The ban letter that Gino posted did not specifically mention the DQ in Philly (or any other specific action). Therefore, you are only assuming that the ban decision was a result of Philly when in fact there is no evidence of that. I am only commenting to caution that it is prudent to stick with facts and not assumptions. I wish Gino the very best.

I am not on any spefic penalty bandwagon, normally if a card falls out of your deck it's no big deal you re shuffle it.
I'm saying the same thing, if he cheated why didn't get get DQed earlier?
I am not sure how knowing 1 card off the bottom of your deck helps, yes it's cheating because then the deck order isn't random. (Since you know where that 1 card is).

I am just taken back by the fact it took them 5 rounds to do something about it.
Then tpci had to 'think' about it for 2 weeks then he's banned.
I think no matter what exactly happened here the process was poorly executed.
 
Actually, that's exactly how I've seen other cheaters caught at high level events. We had a guy who wasn't caught until top 4 but there was information passed by players to judges all day.
 
Actually, that's exactly how I've seen other cheaters caught at high level events. We had a guy who wasn't caught until top 4 but there was information passed by players to judges all day.

Yeah because you have to catch them in the act. According to Gino this situation is the opposite of what are describing.
That his opponent's didn't know but Gino was being watched by the judges.
 
We don't DQ people on hearsay, and we don't do it lightly. I wasn't involved in this, so all I'm doing is putting pieces together, the same way the rest of you are (because very few of you were there, and even fewer were involved, we don't KNOW anything.) What I do want to do is try and dispel this idea that "omguh, Judges didn't DQ instantly, must be Gino getting Set Up for 7!"

Something as subtle as looking at the bottom card of your deck is something that needs to be confirmed. How much worse would this be if it was "Hey, I think I saw you look at a card once, so you're out now, bai!"? It sounds like the Judges talked amongst themselves to remain aware of the issue, but did in fact give Gino the benefit of the doubt! They didn't step in to warn him, because either it didn't happen and the Judge is just being thorough by keeping an eye on it, or it did happen, but the Judges wanted to be sure of it. As soon as they were sure it was happening and was happening on purpose, they dropped the hammer. As someone who has to deal with these kinds of situations myself (unlike most of you), this doesn't look like Judges going on a Witchhunt for Gino and doing all they can to set him up, it sounds like the Judges doing their best to give him the benefit of the doubt and be sure they are making the right call.

I'm sure I'll get a whole bunch of "Oh, another TPCi suckup" posts. Maybe I'll be the next SD_Pokemom (company worth keeping, to be sure!) But a lot of you don't have a firm grasp of the processes involved. I think the Judges likely did a solid job of balancing the integrity of the event with making sure they were fair and honest with every player.
 
^I lold so freaking hard right now my dog jumped and started barking. The fact that you would even consider heresay as a basis for any type of judgment is ridiculous. Especially with something as large as a lifetime ban. Your slow play warrants something where unlike with Gino, there is video proof.

Oh what's that? There is video proof? Ok, so why didnt Mees ever forward it or post it? You can request those things through authority channels. Oh but there is a police report too! FYI for you people, police reports are just statements that are written down. I filed a police report for someone almost running me over, another for lawn equipment stolen. The fact of the matter is, a police report is squat these days unless its a court document, or the officers witnessed substantial evidence.
 
I'm not a professor anymore, so I have a little greater freedom to speak my mind than I once did. I judged. I head judged a Regionals, I judged at Nationals, I ran for some of the best judges at Worlds.

Thank you to TPCI for making Pokemon a better and safer place for players and laptops. I am thrilled that an alleged cheater and thief has been banned. Thank you Dave, Pete, and everybody else in WA.

A warning? You should have been issued a warning? You are lucky you got to play, because if I was in charge of the tournament you showed up at you wouldn't have been allowed to play.

The judges did exactly the right thing. After the first judge spotted your sneaky behavior, what seemed to be cheating, I am sure the word went out to all of the judges to be on the lookout for additional incidents, further examples, and independent confirmations of cheating. It took until round five, but with multiple witnessed cheating infractions noted, and a discussion among the judges, the only correct, heck the only allowed, penalty was issued: disqualification.

The icing on this cake is the lifetime ban. A well deserved lifetime ban. Pokemon is not a game for [alleged] cheating, thieving, brats. Pokemon is a place where parents can bring their children to league and learn about Spirit Of The Game, creating memories that can be shared a lifetime.

On the wall next to my desk is a picture of my, then, eight year old son playing in his first Worlds. If I caught him cheating, or stealing, he would never be allowed to attend another tournament.

There is a suspended player who implicated the OP in cheat coaching. Patterns of behavior, all vile, all detrimental to the game itself.

I am grateful for the opportunity to raise my son playing a great game, in a great community, that seeks out and eliminates cancers within the game. I am happy for those parents just introducing their children to the game today that the bosses are keeping it healthy.

And Jeffrey, attacking SDPokeMom? Go to your room, you should be on time out for the rude comments and personal attacks you've posted in this thread. I'm speaking as a former mod of course. Doreen here on the West Coast, Mike on the East Coast, and all the Profs/Judges/Gym Staff: thank you for doing a great job and enduring nonsensical ill-considered and ignorant criticism. In seeing miscreants held accountable, their defenders run free and loud on the boards, making sure that no good deed you do goes unpunished!

I have a service related disability from an injury nearly 30 years ago when I served in the US Army. The disability saw me reduce the events I judged, I just couldn't stand all day, and running at Worlds caused excruciating pain which required increases in prescribed medication to address. I thought I was done with Pokemon, but Kim Cary reached out, and after explaining my physical situation, he found a place for me at the Nor Cal Regionals this fall. I can not express how insulting I find your comments Jeffrey. The people I've worked with at Regionals, Nats, and Worlds have all been spectacularly dedicated and capable. Doreen, SDPokeMom, is asked by TPCI to work all of these events every year for a reason: she is stellar. The staff in general, SDPokeMom specifically are an absolute joke? My response to you can not be typed, but I am sure you can guess the response I would choose, it is only two words.

I am fortunate to have many friends in Pokemon, I have passion, work hard, and do it for the children. I hope to work at States in AZ with Spookees. My son and I want to attend Worlds this year, we may not be able to staff or play, but we want to come and see our friends in the nation's capitol. We sold some Poke cards to raise some travel funds.

Anyway, in short, thank you everyone involved in this overdue and richly earned disqualification and banning.
 
I'm not a professor anymore, so I have a little greater freedom to speak my mind than I once did. I judged. I head judged a Regionals, I judged at Nationals, I ran for some of the best judges at Worlds.

Thank you to TPCI for making Pokemon a better and safer place for players and laptops. I am thrilled that an alleged cheater and thief has been banned. Thank you Dave, Pete, and everybody else in WA.

A warning? You should have been issued a warning? You are lucky you got to play, because if I was in charge of the tournament you showed up at you wouldn't have been allowed to play.

The judges did exactly the right thing. After the first judge spotted your sneaky behavior, what seemed to be cheating, I am sure the word went out to all of the judges to be on the lookout for additional incidents, further examples, and independent confirmations of cheating. It took until round five, but with multiple witnessed cheating infractions noted, and a discussion among the judges, the only correct, heck the only allowed, penalty was issued: disqualification.

The icing on this cake is the lifetime ban. A well deserved lifetime ban. Pokemon is not a game for [alleged] cheating, thieving, brats. Pokemon is a place where parents can bring their children to league and learn about Spirit Of The Game, creating memories that can be shared a lifetime.

On the wall next to my desk is a picture of my, then, eight year old son playing in his first Worlds. If I caught him cheating, or stealing, he would never be allowed to attend another tournament.

There is a suspended player who implicated the OP in cheat coaching. Patterns of behavior, all vile, all detrimental to the game itself.

I am grateful for the opportunity to raise my son playing a great game, in a great community, that seeks out and eliminates cancers within the game. I am happy for those parents just introducing their children to the game today that the bosses are keeping it healthy.

And Jeffrey, attacking SDPokeMom? Go to your room, you should be on time out for the rude comments and personal attacks you've posted in this thread. I'm speaking as a former mod of course. Doreen here on the West Coast, Mike on the East Coast, and all the Profs/Judges/Gym Staff: thank you for doing a great job and enduring nonsensical ill-considered and ignorant criticism. In seeing miscreants held accountable, their defenders run free and loud on the boards, making sure that no good deed you do goes unpunished!

I have a service related disability from an injury nearly 30 years ago when I served in the US Army. The disability saw me reduce the events I judged, I just couldn't stand all day, and running at Worlds caused excruciating pain which required increases in prescribed medication to address. I thought I was done with Pokemon, but Kim Cary reached out, and after explaining my physical situation, he found a place for me at the Nor Cal Regionals this fall. I can not express how insulting I find your comments Jeffrey. The people I've worked with at Regionals, Nats, and Worlds have all been spectacularly dedicated and capable. Doreen, SDPokeMom, is asked by TPCI to work all of these events every year for a reason: she is stellar. The staff in general, SDPokeMom specifically are an absolute joke? My response to you can not be typed, but I am sure you can guess the response I would choose, it is only two words.

I am fortunate to have many friends in Pokemon, I have passion, work hard, and do it for the children. I hope to work at States in AZ with Spookees. My son and I want to attend Worlds this year, we may not be able to staff or play, but we want to come and see our friends in the nation's capitol. We sold some Poke cards to raise some travel funds.

Anyway, in short, thank you everyone involved in this overdue and richly earned disqualification and banning.

What in the world. So these type of people are the ones who judge or have judged?

This is what ticks me off personally.

A warning? You should have been issued a warning? You are lucky you got to play, because if I was in charge of the tournament you showed up at you wouldn't have been allowed to play.

What is that called? Oh yea, discrimination.

The entire demeanor in that post is ridiculous, AND YOU WERE A MODERATOR HERE???? There is just so much within what you wrote that is wrong...I hate to think that you served. *shudder*
 
"A warning? You should have been issued a warning? You are lucky you got to play, because if I was in charge of the tournament you showed up at you wouldn't have been allowed to play."

"What is that called? Oh yea, discrimination. "

No, it is called providing a safe play environment, it is exercising good judgement.

Thank you for your service. Your comments are a credit to you, and reflect on your unit, your service, and the country.

You do not know me, but you "hate to think that served." Nice.
 
It's ironic because I thought the same exact thing. This guy is the toxic personality that this game doesn't need. My post may have been a little harsh, but I am sure I speak for a HUGE amount of the player base with what I post. I had even posted it in Heyfonte in which it got a ton of useful feedback, not some overweight has been mod trying to tell me he'd curse me out. Just pathetic.

Pokedad, I await your PM back :)
 
"A warning? You should have been issued a warning? You are lucky you got to play, because if I was in charge of the tournament you showed up at you wouldn't have been allowed to play."

"What is that called? Oh yea, discrimination. "

No, it is called providing a safe play environment, it is exercising good judgement.

Thank you for your service. Your comments are a credit to you, and reflect on your unit, your service, and the country.

You do not know me, but you "hate to think that served." Nice.


Uh, yes it is discrimination. Who are you to just outright ban someone from attending when they have every right to attend unless it was through official means to ban said person?

I dont know you personally, but the way you just presented yourself, says enough for at least your online persona.
 
^I lold so freaking hard right now my dog jumped and started barking. The fact that you would even consider heresay as a basis for any type of judgment is ridiculous. Especially with something as large as a lifetime ban. Your slow play warrants something where unlike with Gino, there is video proof.

Oh what's that? There is video proof? Ok, so why didnt Mees ever forward it or post it? You can request those things through authority channels. Oh but there is a police report too! FYI for you people, police reports are just statements that are written down. I filed a police report for someone almost running me over, another for lawn equipment stolen. The fact of the matter is, a police report is squat these days unless its a court document, or the officers witnessed substantial evidence.

Do you even know what hearsay is? That was a direct account from a person that is known to all of us about his experience with Gino teaching him to cheat, not some anonymous account about someone that heard something from someone. Its not as if that is all there is here, either. I'm not going to outline the whole argument again, but there is really only one way a person gets a reputation for being a cheat and a thief. Its by being a cheat and a thief. I don't believe in fantastic hater conspiracy theories amongst players and judges.
 
Getting off topic. Remember, you're supposed to be attacking me.

I smell a trap here......


(back on topic)

Geno, after the laptop incident and thread, I believe you should have known you were in hot water going in to the following tournament, which happened to be a big event. With all the accusations, whether they are true or false, would bring eyes to you throughout the tournament.

Now, to say they were head hunting just trying to find anything possible to get you DQ'd is a huge claim. I have high doubts they made up something to result in this, but yes it's plausible. But when multiple judges are involved, some that have high regards in pokemon staff, that lead to this decision really doesn't help your claim. During the rounds, they must have saw something tipping them off, and then when the action repeats later in the game and in future rounds, they felt it was a deliberate attempt at cheating. Being DQ'd was the right call then, and is listed in the rules.

The ban however, is a result of your background. Even if most of the stuff against you were fabricated, it did put a history on your name and with this added to that pile, they felt it was necessary for a ban.
 
Getting off topic. Remember, you're supposed to be attacking me.

Pokepop, I respect you a lot as both a judge and an admin, but a comment like that is the EXACT same attitude that Gino took when he was accused of stealing the Macbook. It didn't win him any kindness and it won't win you any either, just saying. I'll acknowledge you might be privy to information I don't have on this manner, but as a leader in this community, you should strive act as an example. Just saying.

But on topic of "Gino Gate" as the online community has been calling it.

Please note the following is based solely on how I perceive things:

Gino is not victimless. Whether he actually committed crimes or not is irrelevant. He became an extremely well-known and popular player. By winning nationals, he became one of the "faces" of Pokémon. He brought with it the "Gino attitude" and the "Gino Reputation."

Now I have never met or interacted with Gino, even online. However I can say that for the nine years I've been involved with Pokémon, especially about 5-6 years ago when the internet really exploded in the Pokémon community, Gino has always been a name associated with either "fanboys" or "haters." What I mean by this is that there were ALWAYS two very polarizing groups. The people who called Gino a "mentor, friend, good person, role-model, and good player" and the people who called Gino a "lying, cheating, bully, thief, 'cancer on the game.' Gino for better or for worse loved the attention, so he fed both groups and both groups grew. Nothing about this is bad. Everyone wants to be "acknowledged" and even negative acknowledgment is acknowledgment. However, I digress, the point is, Gino has always been a polarizing figure-head in the Pokémon community, he was even featured on some gaming site and in a gaming magazine article at one point (correct me if I'm wrong on that.)

Gino attracted negative attention at both the Nationals he won and the following Worlds. He was accused of things from cheating to stealing. Once again the polarized groups massively supported and attacked him respectfully. Gino took it all in stride and seemingly loved the attention. This is Gino's nature. There have been several of these "Gino events" throughout the history of the game. Most of these have been typical "poke drama" and dead within a month. The Vancouver incident however was different.

The Vancouver incident is no different than any other "Gino Event" on its own. It's general he said - she said. One outside factor made this extremely different however. Jason K. Jason, the three time World Champion is just as famous as Gino and has just about as much of a fan-base. However Jason has no "bad-boy" reputation. His word against Gino's non-word (as Gino never directly refuted [to my knowledge] that he ever stole the laptop.) Gino continued his "bad-boy, I don't care" attitude as he has done in the past. Jason raised an "internet army." Everyone who ever had a gripe with Gino, or knew someone who had a gripe with Gino, or heard stories about Gino stepped up to give their 2 cents.

I don't know if Gino did any of the stuff he was ever accused of, past or present. I've seen the evidence and I have my theories, but they're not important, because I think that the prevailing issue is Gino's attitude and reputation.

Pokémon has had a lot of problems with Champions, well-known, and/or famous players getting into trouble. Gino, Pablo, Martin, the Spanish VGC poop guys, Con Le, the Lesage brothers and Canadian National Champions, just to name a few instances. I had a theory originally that they did not outright ban Gino after the Vancouver incident because they were embarrassed by all the trouble they had been having with "power players" as we might call them. However I think that this incident pushed Gino's reputation from the online community into the more casual community. The online community rarely get "parent mad." If Gino's reputation was beginning to worry parents who don't interact with the online community as much as the "young people" do then perhaps that was the tipping point.

I think Gino was banned because he was becoming a PR disaster. Whether it's right or not is irrelevant. Whether he cheated or not is irrelevant. When a company removes someone from their events in an unconventional way such as this, it is usually because they are perceived to be a "threat," to their audience, money, or image. Thus I think Gino was banned because he had become a threat to TPCi's image.

Please note that my statements were made from an unbiased view. I do not support or condone Gino's actions that I do not express any opinion if he committed or not. Like-wise I do not support or condone any actions that TPCi may have done. This is simply a theory on why the events unfolded as they have given the evidence we have.
 
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Do you even know what hearsay is? That was a direct account from a person that is known to all of us about his experience with Gino teaching him to cheat, not some anonymous account about someone that heard something from someone. Its not as if that is all there is here, either. I'm not going to outline the whole argument again, but there is really only one way a person gets a reputation for being a cheat and a thief. Its by being a cheat and a thief. I don't believe in fantastic hater conspiracy theories amongst players and judges.

Yes, I do. Here you go as a refresher

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearsay

Anyone can say anything about another person. Am I saying its not true? Not at all. I am just saying, to count a post on a forum as any piece of evidence is stupid.

Absoltrainer put it very eloquently.
 
Pokepop, I respect you a lot as both a judge and an admin, but a comment like that is the EXACT same attitude that Gino took when he was accused of stealing the Macbook. It didn't win him any kindness and it won't win you any either, just saying. I'll acknowledge you might be privy to information I don't have on this manner, but as a leader in this community, you should strive act as an example. Just saying.

It was supposed to be a humorous attempt to defuse a side argument that was getting out of control.
I wasn't trying to win kindness, just jolt the discussion and bring it back to where is should be.
I'm not really asking for or expecting attacks.
Sorry if you took it the wrong way.
 
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