Unless the ruling on Southern Islands Mew changed at some point in the last few months, the official ruling is that Dragon Energy doesn't exist, so Rainbow can't provide it.
Fairy type in the TCG
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Otaku
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Emphasis added.
Apparently I should have worded it a bit differently, as I can see how it is easy to separate the the latter thought from the former. The point I was trying to make was that if the powers-that-be wanted to release cards that had a Dragon-Type Energy requirement on them, that would cause older cards like Rainbow Energy to provide such an Energy.
Sorry for the confusion.
@signofzeta: I understood very little sense of your response to my previous post; many arguments came across as not as "B" follows "A", but like "D" follows "A", so maybe I am just not clever enough to follow your reasoning. Some things seemed assumed that I would not assume; for example in the TCG no mechanic seems restricted to one Type, merely preferred. Also, pigs have flown before, just not under their own power. ;-)
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Maverick Nate
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Much more exciting to me than Sylveon's debut, which is awesome, is that I don't have pay an arm and leg to get those BW-P promos of the other eight Eeveelutions. *cartwheels*
EDIT: And with that, all of the holes in the BW Promos might be filled. 77 and 78 could be Legendary Treasures's Mew and pre-release promo. BW87-94 are almost certainly the Sylveon Collection promos, and 96-98 could be the Unova Dragon trio from the Legendary Dragons of Unova box.
EDIT: And with that, all of the holes in the BW Promos might be filled. 77 and 78 could be Legendary Treasures's Mew and pre-release promo. BW87-94 are almost certainly the Sylveon Collection promos, and 96-98 could be the Unova Dragon trio from the Legendary Dragons of Unova box.
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It's a bit odd for Sylveon in Sylveon Collection to be the only XY promo in the box (and to come out in the west first) but it makes sense, although the included fairy energy may also be an XY promo.
I agree there. I guessed in another thread that the Unova Dragons would be 96-98 and that Mew might be 100. I see how it would be simple putting Mew and the PR promo in 77 and 78, however there are usually at least 2 triple pack blisters per set so we should expect to get one more Legendary Treasures promo in there. Then there's the possibility that 96-98 could instead be 3 LT cards (PR and blister promos), especially since the Unova Dragons are reprints. Not all cards in promotional boxes are black star promo cards, just look at the earlier boxed products. I'm doubting that 77 and 78 will be LT cards especially since the blister promo's have been in order of set release (exception of Next Destinies where 2 promos reappeared in Dark Explorerers blisters). One of those extra cards may be FA Pikachu (if it's not in LT). What's not to say that we'll have more than 99 BW promos. This could all be thrown out of the window though, if Mew will be the only LT blister promo and if the Unova Dragons are definitely promos. In which case your predictions may be correct.
A summary of what I predict:
Unova Dragons are set cards (Reshiram and Zekrom from PF and Kyurem from NV) reprinted in alternate holo pattern (same as the the checklane blister holos)
BW87-94 All of the cards from the Sylveon Collection Box, with the obvious exceptions of Sylveon and Fairy Energy.
BW96-98 3 Legendary Treasures cards including the pre-release promo and the 2 triple-pack blister cards, one of those being Mew
Leaving 77 and 78 as the odd slots. One of these may be Pikachu Full Art
There's no reason why there can't be one or 2 more promo products this year (although the coming months are saturated with them).
I agree there. I guessed in another thread that the Unova Dragons would be 96-98 and that Mew might be 100. I see how it would be simple putting Mew and the PR promo in 77 and 78, however there are usually at least 2 triple pack blisters per set so we should expect to get one more Legendary Treasures promo in there. Then there's the possibility that 96-98 could instead be 3 LT cards (PR and blister promos), especially since the Unova Dragons are reprints. Not all cards in promotional boxes are black star promo cards, just look at the earlier boxed products. I'm doubting that 77 and 78 will be LT cards especially since the blister promo's have been in order of set release (exception of Next Destinies where 2 promos reappeared in Dark Explorerers blisters). One of those extra cards may be FA Pikachu (if it's not in LT). What's not to say that we'll have more than 99 BW promos. This could all be thrown out of the window though, if Mew will be the only LT blister promo and if the Unova Dragons are definitely promos. In which case your predictions may be correct.
A summary of what I predict:
Unova Dragons are set cards (Reshiram and Zekrom from PF and Kyurem from NV) reprinted in alternate holo pattern (same as the the checklane blister holos)
BW87-94 All of the cards from the Sylveon Collection Box, with the obvious exceptions of Sylveon and Fairy Energy.
BW96-98 3 Legendary Treasures cards including the pre-release promo and the 2 triple-pack blister cards, one of those being Mew
Leaving 77 and 78 as the odd slots. One of these may be Pikachu Full Art
There's no reason why there can't be one or 2 more promo products this year (although the coming months are saturated with them).
Sylveon is an XY promo #, the energy has no promo #, the others are all BW promo #s.
Envoyofduels
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Thank you so much for this info.
I feel like dragon types NEED a basic energy, or they need to either A. Only use one type or B. Use colorless. Dragons have a disadvantage as almost no other card in format required two energy types, even cards like stunfisk that uses lightning and abamasnow only use one type, even though they are another type themselves. There's a reason the only dragons played are ones that are too obvious like black kyurem in blastoise.... scratch that. That's the ONLY dragon that is commonly played. I feel like dragons either need to consistently actually be better cards than other pokemon (see black kyurem) or they need to use only 1 type of colored energy.
Charranitar
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Dragons have been an incredibly balanced card type since they have come out and have seen a lot of playability, which means their energy requirements aren't too cost prohibitive, or too hard to achieve to make them playable.
Just a look since last fall:
Altaria DRX - Sees play with Garchomp, which has been a Tier 2ish deck since its inception.
Rayquaza EX - Lots of success in RayEels, some in Rayboar.
Garchomp DRX - Played with Altaria, as well as with Landorus EX and Terrakion.
Giratina EX - Saw play in Hydreigon/Darkrai as a tech.
Hydreigon DRX - Tier 1 deck for Fall Battle Roads, Tier 2 ever since, and stronger now with the release of Bangle and Virizion.
Rayquaza DRX - Saw play in Rayboar/Rayeels. $50 card before it was reprinted in Dragon Vault because of the advantages it brought to RayEels.
So just in the first set that introduced Dragon type Pokemon, we had six cards that made their way into competitive play.
Moving forward:
Kyurem DRV - Potential non-EX dragon counter for Blastoise if you were already running Psychic for stuff like a tech Cresselia during cities.
Black Kyurem BCR - RayEeels/Blastoise counter for Blastoise decks.
Black Kyurem EX BCR - Used in Klinklang during cities to cleanup after a Darkrai snipe or Dual Splash with Kyogre, hitting for 150.
Black Kyurem EX PLS - Black Ballista, main attacker in Blastoise.
That's a lot of good Dragon cards for one year of releases.
As far as Plasma Freeze goes, Latias EX has a unique ability, Dragonite provides trainer lock, which is unique, and Kingdra can rack up a ton of damage and spread. With Plasma Blast, we are given Dialga EX which not only mills, but is also our first colorless dragon counter, meaning it can be slipped into prettymuch anything to counter opposing dragons with ohko's. We also get Haxorus that causes auto-KO Of Plasma Pokemon.
So not only is there plenty of dragon type cards that have already proven to be worthy of the competitive game, there are also quite a few that haven't broken out yet which have unique effects and attacks that could potentially do well in the future.
rivershock
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Dragons aren't being used for the same reason most Grass, Lightning, Fire and Colorless Pokemon aren't used. They're just not that good. And it's usually not their energy cost, it's often their attacks and other stats. Cards like Palkia EX and Boundaries Crossed Black Kyurem EX are simply underwhelming. The ones like Black Ballista Black Kyurem and Garchomp that have seen play have no problem fulfilling their energy costs, mixed as they may be. It's not like we get cards with, say, a GGFF energy cost or something that would take a massive number of multiple energy types. They almost always take 1 or 2 with colorless filling the remainder, if any. Dragon certainly isn't the worst type out there. (Also, keep in mind the "good" types, like Darkness or Water, probably have about as many viable Pokemon as Dragon does, even if the other types make slightly stronger showings at events.)
More on-topic... Fairy's frame is a lot darker than I expected, unless Sylveon is Reverse Holo.
More on-topic... Fairy's frame is a lot darker than I expected, unless Sylveon is Reverse Holo.
ParadiseWishes
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I'm glad they're debuting the Fairy type with the Sylveon box! I've actually missed having a good collector's set, ever since the Pikachu World Languages edition. I don't think these things end up being worth much in the end, but they're so cool to have.
Otaku
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If not more so; without the Pokémon brand... this isn't Pokémon. We could easily "reskin" this game for something else. An intentional point of Pokémon seems to be that while some "Types" favor certain strategies, every Type has at least one Pokémon that breaks the mold.
Fox_Master51
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Those of you who are collectors, you can actually fit an entire 9-slot binder page with Eevee and the Eeveelutions now. Since it's 8 evos plus Eevee in the center.
I would like that exist every types in TCG, types of VG. I know, not is easy to make, But think, continues the same game, same cards with some changes. Every pokemon would the same type of VG, with at least 2 weakness and 2 resistances (if they). Delta pokemons, these types would like delta pokemons in cards. Other thing that I hate in pokemon, that not all pokemons ex (or Lv.x, prime..) are strong or playable. Palkia ex, Heatran ex, Light Kyurem ex, Celebi ex and other are examples. If all pokemons ex were playable, the metagame would nice, better than current metagame. All types shoud playable in every metagame, regardless the rotation. In current metagame, lighting, stell, fire decks aren't top decks.
If you're putting all the promos together though, and they are indeed the missing 8, you'll have three on one page and five on the other.
Otaku
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This was announced earlier in the thread. Did you have something you wished to add?
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