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Format Change for Next Year - Possible Change for Nats and Worlds!

The BW rules were designed in Japan for the HGSS-on format.

BTS doesn't exist in that format, so there was no need to even consider how it would effect that ruling.

BTS is one more MD-on card that is incompatible with BW rules. That's why we needed more than just a Sableye ban.
I had a whole big page typed up and I just deleted it. It pretty said the format would be a better place with the new rules and hgss-on but the fact is some people have a bigger collection the others, it is going to hit some people a lot harder then others. Its just not right to do this so unexpectedly, if your don't have the cards needed to build a viable deck you have from now till nats and worlds to buy them and if you don't you'll just have to play whatever trash you mange to scrape together/borrow. There's no way anyone can argue that the hgss-on format with the rules change is not going to be a much better format then the one we now have. Anyone with common sense can see how little donks would happen it will be a game of skill. I just don't agree that there should be any kind of rotation during the season, so if there is no rotation the only logical thing to do to avoid a donk fest at brs/nats/worlds is not allow trainers to be played first turn.
 
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I had a whole big page typed up and I just deleted it. It pretty said the format would be a better place with the new rules and hgss-on but the fact is some people have a bigger collection the others, it is going to hit some people a lot harder then others. Its just not right to do this so unexpectedly, if your don't have the cards needed to build a viable deck you have from now till nats and worlds to buy them and if you don't you'll just have to play whatever trash you mange to scrape together/borrow. There's no way anyone can argue that the hgss-on format with the rules change is not going to be a much better format then the one we now have. Anyone with common sense can see how little donks would happen it will be a game of skill. I just don't agree that there should be any kind of rotation during the season, so if there is no rotation the only logical thing to do to avoid a donk fest at brs/nats/worlds is not allow trainers to be played first turn.

The_Legend, I understand your complaint to a degree, but here's my response. The main decks that people play today are comprised of cards that have been around for years. If POP had taken the normal pattern of rotating out 4 sets per year, many of these cards wouldn't even be legal now. Take your typical Gyarados deck. The bulk of it consists of cards that were released 3 years ago (Gyarados, SSU's, PokeDrawer+, Uxie, etc.). People who have used these cards should be thankful they got to play with them for so long.

From a business perspective, it doesn't make a lot of sense to have a format where all the good cards are from sets released years ago (nobody will buy the new product). From the newcomer's perspective it's also lame to have your HGSS-on decks trampled time and time again by cards released so long ago.

Rotations are inevitable. I do sympathize with the players who are losing a lot of valuable cards (I'm one of them by the way), but for once I'd like to attend a PreRelease and see more than one or two cards that will affect the format. Also, with a little foresight I've been able to trade for quite a few HGSS-on cards just in case we face a rotation. Turns out that planning wasn't in vain.

Also, you have two months to come up with a deck for Nats. If we have a rotation, I don't think it will be that hard to get together the 50 or so bucks needed to run Serperior, Emboar, Donphan, whatever. A single Luxray Lv.X is like 60 bucks, same thing for Uxie X. The rotation greatly benefits newcomers to the game and aids in selling the Pokemon product.

Just some things to think about.
 
A single Luxray Lv.X is like 60 bucks, same thing for Uxie X. The rotation greatly benefits newcomers to the game and aids in selling the Pokemon product.
I agreed with everything you said except this. No way anyone is paying that much for either one of those cards now. lol
I'm really looking forward to playing Serperior but I think my biggest complaint is that I never got the guts to play arceus at a premier event and I know I could have done well with him. The only rotation I have ever faced was the dp era and it felt like all I really lost was claydol and roseanne's.
 
HGSS- On is awesome. There will finally be tons of new decks in the format!

This. TPCI or whoever decided this did a great job this time. :thumb: It may annoy alot of players that have been using nothing but SP for so long, but at least we won't see the same boring decks on the top tables again this year. This has been long overdue and TPCI you get my thanks.
 
I have stopped playing the game since January because I became bored with this format, and had lost interest in the game. I now may go to nationals just to see what people will play. I think it could be really interesting to see what decks people come up with. I have some ideas and I think it will bring a balance to the game.
 
I agree with those whom speak of financial aspects.

Tournament-wise, playerswill adjust. That's a given. Its what forces players to build certain decks, whether it be to build a competitive deck, an antimeta, or a rogue deck. It happens.

Financially though, this was a stupid move. We have league players who were very excited to begin player in September, and at the time the League cards were among Spirittomb and Expert Belt. Now, less than a year later they are gone? Arceus has been around for less than two years, and it's leaving?

The one thing this format did that no one is grasping is that until rotation, there was a small handful of pokemon you COULDNT use. Granted, I'm discluding B/W entirely, but there was such a wide selection of cards and especially younger players who like building something ridiculous like a Shinx deck, or any pokemon-specific deck, now has a severly limited selection.

Theres now a Blastoise, but no Charizard or Venusaur.
Theres now a Torterra,but not much else.

Just as a few examples.

I disagree with the rotation, it calls for product to go, and basically says "wasted effort" all around in a non-competitive environment.
 
YYAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!! YES!

+No VIleplume problem!
+No DOnk decks!
+No SP dekcs
+TOns of new decks!

Thank you POP. Seriously.
 
I disagree with the rotation, it calls for product to go, and basically says "wasted effort" all around in a non-competitive environment.

Can't players in a "non-competitive environment" (aka "just for fun") still play those older cards? Pokemon Organized Play is around for determining the most skilled player in the room. Check my sig, it's the very first point made in the Tournament Rules for the Pokemon TCG. Determining the most skilled player in the room has recently been a hard thing to do with all the donking and bad matchups going on. Players in a non-competitive environment play for fun, not to prove who's the best. That's why League exists.

I'll agree with your point about the promos being useless in less than a year, but I think it's important to realize why this decision was reached. Japan basically set the standard by rotating away even more sets than we did in the middle of the season. There's a reason they did it -- B&W rules simply aren't compatible with MD-AR cards. Even the presence of that promo Expert Belt sends shivers down my spine in a game where trainers can be played first turn. I think they made a very good decision that comes with some sacrifices. They can't please everyone, but they're certainly looking to follow the very guidelines that their game is built upon (by preserving the health of the format and ensuring the game remains a fun and effective way to determine the skill level of participants).
 
So glad I got out of this game, HG/SS-on is going to be the most boring format ever.

LUGIA LEGEND FTW lyke zOMG!
 
So, Europe is going to be used as test subjects?
Victory Medal will be changed to a Portal Gun.
USA will be Aperature Science/GLAdOS
 
Once we heard about the HGSS-ON rotation in Japan it was fairly obvious that the only play P!P had was an identical rotation. Otherwise we'd get a sitation Where Garchomp could still rely on abilties and powers for energy acceleration, then you'd have TombPlume decks that would trainer lock all game. This undoubtedly would cause a only a small of amount of decks to be playable. Not to mention we could end up getting cards in future sets which could cause RR-AR cards to be even more broken.

I'm a bit annoyed that Europe has become the Guinea pigs for the current format.
Why couldn't they do the rotation now? The format was already stale beforehand and is currently even more so. I only hope that everyone at BRs plays Sabledonk to try force an early rotation.
 
Eriknance, I agree, however let me clarify.

In a purely playing environment of a perfect world, yes- Leagues and such allow such ideas and conditions.

However, we hold our league a day prior to tournaments weekly (I know, that's just us) so league players take that time to practice for tournament. Nobody plays with older cards because they can't buy them, there's no more support for them, and the players collect newer cards so finding those older ones become significantly harder to find. It discourages players who see deals at Target and such, buying blisters of two HG and now can't use that platinum pack or arceus pack at all. The Clash of Legends sets released recently are also utterly useless, and anyone who traded for a not-so-meta deck like Arceus or the blisters with the full Charizard line have essentially wasted their time.

I agree- competively it is a great move. But anyone who has invested any money will be severly disappointed and discluded.
 
I've invested a lot in the older cards and I plan to give them out at league for free. I am happy for the format rotation and the new difficulty of building decks.
 
I agree with those whom speak of financial aspects.

Tournament-wise, playerswill adjust. That's a given. Its what forces players to build certain decks, whether it be to build a competitive deck, an antimeta, or a rogue deck. It happens.

Financially though, this was a stupid move. We have league players who were very excited to begin player in September, and at the time the League cards were among Spirittomb and Expert Belt. Now, less than a year later they are gone? Arceus has been around for less than two years, and it's leaving?

The one thing this format did that no one is grasping is that until rotation, there was a small handful of pokemon you COULDNT use. Granted, I'm discluding B/W entirely, but there was such a wide selection of cards and especially younger players who like building something ridiculous like a Shinx deck, or any pokemon-specific deck, now has a severly limited selection.

Theres now a Blastoise, but no Charizard or Venusaur.
Theres now a Torterra,but not much else.

Just as a few examples.

I disagree with the rotation, it calls for product to go, and basically says "wasted effort" all around in a non-competitive environment.

I feel pretty sorry for Play! Pokemon here, because whatever decision they make, there will always be unhappy people.

Sure Arceus has been around for less than 2 years, but that's just trying to find the worst possible example. What about Majestic Dawn, which has been legal in our format for over 3 years!

Play! Pokemon put a lot of their resources into helping newer/casual players when competitive players have suffered because of it. Battle Roads are the only tournaments repeated twice a year, with their K Value and prizes dropped in recent years to encourage casual players to play in them. They've also introduced league promos to help reduce the prices of expensive staple cards, and have all tournaments free to enter in North America!

We've had to put with a stale format for a long time, which has largely come from 4 sets being rotated in 2 years, to help those new players get more easily introduced to the game. I have no problem with any of these decisions by P!P, but it's time the stale format got addressed and that competitive players got a decision in their favour. Pokemon is supposed to be fun to play, but I don't know anyone that has been enjoying it as much recently, and especially with Black and White rules in our MD-on format.

Great decision Play! Pokemon :thumb:.
 
This is awesome news. I'm busting out HGSS.dec. On the other hand, I don't see how BRs is really going to change anything. The last time a card got banned was becuase it had swept every tournament and every strategy/build with it was the same. There was no variety at all. So you either played it or you lost. This isn't quite the same, although it's close.
 
Other things to consider also is we've had the time to consider whats going to be rotating out at the end of the season. At the beginning of the season, I made sure to warn my league players that there is the potential of losing tons of cards at the end of the season due to formation, and that if they're not certain they want to play Deck A (Lets say Luxchomp), to make sure to get their money's worth for it for the supplies they need before the season ends, or before a big tournament where the demand is higher. M:TG goes through a format shift yearly like we do, though its known every season what gets rotated out. People playing M:TG still use what's good for their Grand Prix to the end of the season, even if it came from the first set to get rotated out. (During Ravnica/TS block, there was a ton of Ravnica based cards still around for the end of the season. Expensive dual lands, come to mind.)

I run a league with a lot of younger kids who don't really get the opportunity to spend a lot of money and as such can't build the big competitive decks. Now, once again, everyone in my league is at an equal playing field and I can see a lot of fun that they're going to have now that theres no longer the potential of them challenging one of the competitive players and losing on turn one, especially since many of them have been buying HG-SS on packs and have the trainers/supporters they need to bring them into this new format. I feel for those of you who have leagues that cater to a competitive fan base with players who will be disheartened by this change, I really do. But if you can show to them that life can and will go on and be positive in the light of what you think to be bad, your players will see it to be not such a bad thing and can handle this shift a little better. Remember, there is still some time to sell now before the shift does/does not happen.

My thoughts in your sense turn to a competitive family that I brought into this game last year who's son just made his first Top 4 cut in Juniors at Regionals and had all his supplies for Luxchomp. I did just call her a little while ago, and she's just as excited for the format switch as I am, though a little annoyed by the suddenness of it, however she still will be making the trip out, whether the format shifts or not, so this may not be as bad as you think. Honestly, just take the shift with a grain of salt. All will be all right, and the format will be so fantastic. :3

Also, take into consideration that P!P may not simply be JUST looking at Sableye when it comes to this possible shift. Other factors may actually be decks like Luxchomp, Dialgachomp, SableLOCK, Gyarados with the Sableye engine, anything with Crobat G or Uxie.. Just any of this in general could shift the format. I encourage you to play whatever you want, since most of the decks that will be seen will still utilise the same cards that Pokemon may be looking to remove in general. (All of the important gems come from within 3 sets of each other. LA, SF, and PT), so if you want to play Sabledonk, play Sabledonk. If you want to play Gyarados, play Gyarados. If you want to play Luxchomp, play luxchomp. Honestly, I think all of these decks in general will get the point across.

So glad I got out of this game, HG/SS-on is going to be the most boring format ever.

Yeah, its not like there isn't 4-5 possible decks in meta already that look to be good, or 2 sets coming out before cities next year that could make other possibilities. Such a boring format. You go have fun with whatever it is you're doing now, its probably far less boring than not playing Luxchomp at every event.

. Nobody plays with older cards because they can't buy them, there's no more support for them, and the players collect newer cards so finding those older ones become significantly harder to find. It discourages players who see deals at Target and such, buying blisters of two HG and now can't use that platinum pack or arceus pack at all. The Clash of Legends sets released recently are also utterly useless, and anyone who traded for a not-so-meta deck like Arceus or the blisters with the full Charizard line have essentially wasted their time.

This is why you support your mom and pop hobby shops. I run my league at a model plane/war miniatures store that also profits from both Magic and Pokemon being in its store. Any set that he can order that is requested by my league, he will buy for the league because he can profit off of it. Target/Wal-mart/etc only give you the most recent sets, and older sets that aren't bought any more due to not being in demand.

I do also agree with a lot of you in wondering why we couldn't just have the format shift now. But I do think this little break between gives the sellers some time to pawn off their wares before their cards are completely useless.
 
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Nnaann, I'm not saying I'm unhappy. I am happy. I appreciate and encourage the change.

What I don't agree with is the marketing and availability with the product.

While Majestic Dawn has been around as long as you say, do not forget that league promos supported Arceus cards just over 6 months ago. Special sets and booster assembles included platinum series. HGSS series and platinum series boosters sold together in blisters.

I'm not saying that I'm unhappy with the decision. I welcome it. I just wish it could've been welcomed earlier and have that sort of product and promotion phase out rather than be released in full force.
 
So, yesterday I complain on Ryan's thread that we have had too much delay in news this year and then we get this bombshell which thrills me. I have a hard time believing that there is even a chance that this will not become official for our Nats and Worlds. My guess is that with such a big change they wanted to "soft" release the information and see what reaction came from the news. Other than a few comments and concerns about loss of card investments mainly from newer players the reaction seems to be what I would expect. I love the news and look forward to sitting down and figuring out what the Meta should look like in a couple of months.

At this point I only have one concern. Battle Roads is usually a testing ground. Not only for players to test the Meta but also for judging staffs to get familiar with new rules and game state. Delaying this change until after BR wastes the opportunity to give the new format a "test drive" before our two biggest tournaments here in the US. Also, as mentioned by some of the International players keeps them in the dark about their format to some degree. I hate to see us all head to Nationals with an "untested" format but welcome the change.
 
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