Georgia State Championship - Duluth, GA - 03/11/06

[Prime]

I don't have anything against groups like that who travel. If groups have the money and are willing to spend it, all power to them, I just definitely see an advantage those people have, and I think maybe in the future we might see something to stop some of that from happening. I have NO Idea what could be setup to stop stuff like that, but then again, one and done was introduced to stop a group of players from having an unfair advantage over many other people at a tournament. Honestly though, after thinking for a second, I doubt PUI would do anything about it. There's not really an unfair advantage in the tournament, there's just an advantage outside the tournament. I guess there will always be advantages outside the tournament.

Either way, big ups for Jacy S., the only non-FL player in the top 8 (or that is what he told me )

slops to LBS....erm....disregard that

 

[TheDancingPeanut]

Either way, big ups for Jacy S., the only non-FL player in the top 8 (or that is what he told me )

slops to LBS....erm....disregard that

He Pwnd me in Top 16....I had to apologize to Jin and everyone for not holding up my end of the "all fl top 8" ! Seriously though, Jacy is a great player and was very gracious in victory.

I had no idea how to play against his deck.

Also, I need to give big shout-outs and MAJOR PROPS to my MOM (yes) for going 3-3 and finishing 3 places out of top cut! We got paired in the last match - if she'd have won, sheda been in. Pretty amazing consider the fact that at the last nationals players were making fun of and laughing at her behind her back. Way to go Linda!

 

[the_sniper]

John S great playing with a really interesting deck (guess the undefeated curse caught up with you...LOL)!!! The match with you and Eric was intense and one of the best matches I have seen in awhile!!!

Jeff, Thanks . Means a lot coming from you. You too can play w/ the best of them. And your right,
things are pretty intense in Fl. right now. The deck, interesting is a good word. But a t-2 and
a t-8 just doesn;t cut it now does it .

If not for the starts from hell games 2 - 3 things might have been different. Damn swiss curse lol

Colton , congrats. I told you before game 3 started it's all good regardless of who won and
I still fell the same way now. You didn't give up after game 1 and i'm impressed with that.
And though accussed by your aunt , i think you and i ( and your dad ) know a "sore loser" was the last thing i acted like . I gave you congrats. the turn before you won ( when i k.o,ed your steelex ex) on winning. Remember??? And i meant it too. You and your dad are good people Colton- it's all good.

Prime? You never seem to amaze me with your posts ( and not in a good way ) . Some of us have the ability to travel with our friends and families to multiple states . Your point is? What, one and done
wasn't enough for you? I suppose you'd prefer players get to play in just one state- maybe just
their own. I'm sure Colton would be really happy right now. Matt Moss too. My son got to watch
because he won La. states last weekend ( actually he judged). I don't like one and done , but
i don't mark the chalk I walk the line.

Your post makes you sound jealous prime. Not a good thing I refuse to apoligize because
I can afford to go to 2-3 states and you can't.

Jim, always good to see you my friend. Don't be a stranger. And YES, major props to Jim's mom
Linda. I see another Anna Schell in the making


~ John ~

 

[larrya]

WAY TO GO, Nephew!!
Good Job COLTON for not giving up when the stakes were down and the odds against you! For only playing this game as short a time as you have, you've really done great!! Continue to represent your family and TEAM B.R.A.D.S. proudly! Wish I could've been there! (but someone needs to make the money so we can trek all over the country!! $) -J.O.B.-

 

[ryanvergel]

1 Colton M
2 John S
3 Kyle S
4 Eric C
5 Aaron C
6 Jin W
7 Ryan V
8 Jacy S
9 Jim M
10 Dominique D
11 Heidi C
12 Colby B
13 Chaz O
14 Alex H
15 Jacob A
16 Patrick W


--
Bold=Team R
Underlined=Florida

As you can see, huge dominance. 24% of the players were Floridians, but 63% of the top cut were Floridians. Niiice.



1 Colton M-LBS
2 John S-Flariados
3 Kyle S-PowBlock
4 Eric C-LBS
5 Aaron C-LBS
6 Jin W-LBS
7 Ryan V-EspyCham
8 Jacy S-Liability
9 Jim M-Queen
10 Dominique D-Gengar
11 Heidi C-LBS
12 Colby B-Meganium/Steelix
13 Chaz O-Unknown
14 Alex H-Liability
15 Jacob A-Unknown
16 Patrick W-Flygon


--
Anyways, nice tournament, odd results.

 

[the_sniper]

1 Colton M
2 John S
3 Kyle S
4 Eric C
5 Aaron C
6 Jin W
7 Ryan V
8 Jacy S
9 Jim M
10 Dominique D
11 Heidi C
12 Colby B
13 Chaz O
14 Alex H
15 Jacob A
16 Patrick W


--
Bold=Team R
Underlined=Florida

As you can see, huge dominance. 24% of the players were Floridians, but 63% of the top cut were Floridians. Niiice.



1 Colton M-LBS
2 John S-Flariados
3 Kyle S-PowBlock
4 Eric C-LBS
5 Aaron C-LBS
6 Jin W-LBS
7 Ryan V-EspyCham
8 Jacy S-Liability
9 Jim M-Queen
10 Dominique D-Gengar
11 Heidi C-LBS
12 Colby B-Meganium/Steelix
13 Chaz O-Unknown
14 Alex H-Liability
15 Jacob A-Unknown
16 Patrick W-Flygon


--
Anyways, nice tournament, odd results.

Yes, we did our selves proud Ryan. Not too many states can match Florida's depth in terms of quality players. Gonna be a pain getting to worlds - that's for sure!

Sorry our games suxed. Bad match-up for you for sure


Later


~ John ~

 

[GregDollar]

John, you did great! It was a very intense final round and you both performed very well. As always, it was great to see you and look forward to it again.

As far as all the other stuff I read - there are so many factors. I'm shocked at this whole "money" thing and not too fond of the "state" comments. It's amazing what is said after tournaments, lol, but I think it's way more than all of that. Every "state" has excellent players and not every one of them are "rich".

You can have all the money in the world, but if you can't play skillfully - you won't win...wherever you go. It takes time, knowledge, a lot of play-testing and dedication to have the skills to become great.

Granted there have been some decks out there in the past that anyone could just "copy" and do well, but eventually the skill-factor will always come into play when it really counts. And let's not even get into the "donking" factor of the game...it gets even the best players in the game without mercy.

Competition talk is cool, though. Everyone did well and played their best, wherever they came from and how ever much money they had. I was very happy with the help and the tournament as a whole. Thank you all for a successful tournament…now for the “upload” issues, lol

 

[supertyranitar]

Aww Tony - my bad; of course you're always great as well

The "drama" I'm referring to is "who goes to what state to claim another state" thing - it's just not worth getting into. There are a lot of great players-----yes EVEN GA-----but there can only be one winner.

That's Toni Dude! LOL! And I thought you might be talking about some of the other drama that happened that day but really don't want to travel DOWN that road...good event dude!:smile:

P.S. Using Mike's computer and too lazy to log him off!

 

[Prime]

blah

Did you read the first sentence I posted in my last post? And I quote: "I don't have anything against groups like that who travel. If groups have the money and are willing to spend it, all power to them."

I have NO problem with people who travel to multiple events. I think I've made that clear. I just see an advantage those people have, and will always have, regardless of which game it is, which group it is, and which area it is.

Congrats on getting to the finals, but I definitely didn't like the jealous remarks.

edit:

I want to add one more thing.

You can have all the money in the world, but if you can't play skillfully - you won't win...wherever you go. It takes time, knowledge, a lot of play-testing and dedication to have the skills to become great.

I believe there are a huge number of high caliber players in this game. Such a large number that at large events, a lot of those good players sometimes run up against bad luck and sometimes don't do that well, or don't walk away with first place. When those players get to that point, that they really know how to play well, like you said, have spent a lot of time play-testing and such, giving them extra tries at states is huge. Like I said earlier, those with the most money will do much better than those without a lot of money. I'm not looking for people to give me examples to prove me wrong, I'm not trying to make this a rule or anything. I'm just trying to show that with more money comes the better cards, the more frequent trips to tournaments, and the more chances at nationals/grinder every year. A player with the money to go to all those definitely has an advantage over the player without the money to go to those. Is it wrong? Sure, why not, but there isn't anything anyone can do about it. No game will be equally fair to every player. And with that, we have to accept that these things will happen. I do feel bad for those GA players that can't travel out of state and hop other states to get to other tournaments. Even with the good players in GA, luck can definitely mess up someone's chances to win a tournament, and with no extra chance or 3 other chances, their only chance of winning a state is gone.

I am very lucky that I get to attend 2 states this year. Many of my friends don't get to do that, and I know they care about the game just as much as I do. And I really feel bad for them when we both show up at a tournament and we both lose in the top 8 because of luck, and they walk away with dimished thoughts, and I just brush it off because I have another chance in two weeks.

Just my honest opinion, from someone who doesn't travel as much as some, but travels more than others.

 

[Squirtle]

Prime this is one you cannot win. Let's see. I'll use my friend waliken and penguin master for example.


Make friend... get 3 or 4 of them in the car. $3 a gallon ( high side) $39 a night for a room one night. Say you have a 18 gallon tank and you fill it twice. Thats $147.00 Split 3 ways and thats under $50 a person not counting food. Get a fourth and its even cheaper. You don't have to be "rich" to go to more than one tournament.

Is it wrong? Hell no its not wrong. If you have a team or a "possie" or a group that goes to more than one event. By this same arguement you could say that going to more than one cities is wrong... But its not. if they wanted to make it so players could not travel they would put them all on the same day.. So deal with it prime.

 

[ryanvergel]

Psh, who gets hotel rooms?
It's called rambo-ing.

Drive to WPB=5 hours
2 hours sleep(at omar's house)
Play in GC
drive back=5 hours
sleep for 4 hours
drive to anderson=8 hours
play GC
drive home=8 hours

26 total hours on the road. all we had to pay for was gas. we brought our own drinks in a cooler, our own pre-made sandwiches, and it was dern cheap. Around 300 dollars for the whole venture. Imagine splitting that up 4 ways, it's not bad at ALL considering we drove 26 hours, played in 2 GCs, and went through some 4 states total in ONE WEEKEND.

I don't see a lot of money as being important to travel in all honesty. Especially for those with a van. Get 6 people in, everyone thrown down 20 dollars for gas, bam, insta-trip. Sell cards if you need to.

 

[Lawman]

Wow, a lawyer with a sense of humor, what's the world coming to? :tongue:

As far as I heard the T4 had John Silvestro and Eric Craig in it. Dunno who won.

~Jim

Hey Jim....I am even honest too!! LOL

Hope to see you in South Carolina.

Keith

 

[GregDollar]

That was rand0m - lol

 

[Gymbo ex]

I'll throw my comments in here:

First and foremost, congratulations to all of the winners. I really guess FL invaded. I also wanted to extend congratulations and a huge props to John Silvestro. I mean, it's hard enough playing well in a tough metagame anyways, and to do so well all day with a Rogue deck, that's just goes beyond impressive. Especially to someone like me who enjoys trying new decks.

Second, I really do not think there should be a huge deal about what Matt (Prime) was trying to say. I mean I knew what he meant, although I do think he chose a bad way to express his opinions. And that's the thing too, on a board, you're allowed to express your opinions anyways. I try to keep an open mind of whatever I read here (doesn't always work, but I try). I mean, it's just simple logic and fact that the more times you compete, the greater your chances are of winning. I mean competing once compared to three times, gives you a better shot. However, in any of those three competitions you need to have a certain amount of skill, correct deck choices/matchups, and luck. I mean players that won on their first attempt, cannot compete anymore, so it does somewhat level the playing field. I mean there are just people who do have more opportunity (I wouldn't call it money, because I do not believe it takes very much to travel, especially like Stephen said, in groups) to compete. You can be bitter if you wish, but life is not fair, no matter how much we all want it to be. I'll use myself as an example. Prior to myself travelling with the Barlock family, I was able to get to events in Ohio without much difficulty, and occassionally out of the state as well. All you need are some people willing to travel with you, a driver's license (not a permit), parental permission (if needed), a reliable car, and some money for gas (and maybe hotel).

Third, Keith and I have just been teasing each other Greg, dun worry about it. And I have a lot of respect for Keith, even if he took a shot at my hair. (That's alright though, won't be much longer before I go for the whole shaved look). ;x

Fourth, thanks Greg for hosting an event, and one of such magnitude that commanded such a huge turnout. I told you running it on the 11th was definitely the play and I'm sure your wife didn't mind TOO much. Thanks a lot for people like you (The PTOs) who give we the players the opportunity to have a great time.

Good luck to everyone next weekend as the State Champs conclude!

~Jim

 

[radiostar]

I'm glad the Florida crew came up... you guys are tons of fun! Team R is probably the hottest team ever... and Jim, I'm sure Steph will agree with me--bald guys are hot. end of story.

peace out

 

[Prime]

Squirtle, win? I don't see me trying to win anything. I'm just expressing my opinion. You use your example to show that it can be sometimes not very expensive to go to another tournament. Of course in your example, it won't be as expensive, because your bring 3-4 other people with you. What you fail to add in is that some people don't have 3-4 extra people to go to tournaments with you. You also fail to mention that many 15+ do not own a car, and thus rely on their parents to take them to tournaments. Some parents are able to take their kids to multiple events, but some parents cannot. Some parents are exhausted from just one event, and wouldn't be willing to go the next day to another event, and then the weekend after do the same thing. Some parents have to work everyday and can't even take their kid to far away tournaments at all.

Your example has many flaws.

Did I say it was wrong to travel in groups to multiple tournaments? No. I said it was wrong that those groups have an advantage over those who cannot travel. Maybe my words there were incorrect, maybe you misunderstood my post. It's not wrong to travel with friends to multiple tournaments. It's not wrong to be able to have multiple chances to win a state championship. I just feel bad for those who don't have the chance to go to multiple championships, because at the moment, that ability is turning out to be quite useful in actually win a state championship.

Squirtle, you definitely have a bad attitude. "So deal with it Prime."

Nah, I don't want to deal with it.

 

[the_sniper]

Squirtle, win? I don't see me trying to win anything. I'm just expressing my opinion. You use your example to show that it can be sometimes not very expensive to go to another tournament. Of course in your example, it won't be as expensive, because your bring 3-4 other people with you. What you fail to add in is that some people don't have 3-4 extra people to go to tournaments with you. You also fail to mention that many 15+ do not own a car, and thus rely on their parents to take them to tournaments. Some parents are able to take their kids to multiple events, but some parents cannot. Some parents are exhausted from just one event, and wouldn't be willing to go the next day to another event, and then the weekend after do the same thing. Some parents have to work everyday and can't even take their kid to far away tournaments at all.

Your example has many flaws.

Did I say it was wrong to travel in groups to multiple tournaments? No. I said it was wrong that those groups have an advantage over those who cannot travel. Maybe my words there were incorrect, maybe you misunderstood my post. It's not wrong to travel with friends to multiple tournaments. It's not wrong to be able to have multiple chances to win a state championship. I just feel bad for those who don't have the chance to go to multiple championships, because at the moment, that ability is turning out to be quite useful in actually win a state championship.

Squirtle, you definitely have a bad attitude. "So deal with it Prime."

Nah, I don't want to deal with it.

1st of all, you quote the word blah from me - where the hell did i say that!

Squirtle made very good points on how people who don't have excessive funds can pool
together and inexpensively attend multiple states or gyms. Maybe you don't have 5 friends - I
dunno. Ryan agreed- explaining how he slept/ lived in a car for 28 hours just to attend
2 different gyms.

It's wrong for people to have multiple chances to win states?!?! Prime, what are you smokin'?
The 20 plus players( not from Ga.) drove hours to support Greg's event. Greg is one of the best friends I've made on the gym and I enjoy seeing him and playing in his events. But you seem to think this is wrong?! Why, because i played in the Fl. states the week before and shouldn't be allowed to compete
in another one.Gym rules don't allow me to tell you how i really feel about you and your comments
or opinions on this one so this is it for me . You've never been worth it anyways.

We buy sleeves, cards, packs, cards- support the store and surrounding restaurants- these things are not
good for Pokemon?

Sorry you didn't like my " jealous" comment- bit if the shoe fits........

And i feel you are using this as an excuse for you NOT winning a states too.Sad.

Like you and Jim said, the gym is for opinions- you now have mine on how you
come off whining because your poor or something. Whatever.

I think one and done sux too. But that doesn't really matter now does it.

AND btw, see you in South Carolina this weekend as we will be attending lololol


Jim, thanks so much for recognizing what i accomplished w/ a seriously red face paint deck. Coming
from a player of your ability who also comes up with unique , excellent ideas means a lot to me
my friend. I appreciate the kind words Jim, Thanks

Hope our paths cross again soon.


~ John ~

 

[Prime]

John, are you even reading my posts?

You never said "blah", but instead of filling the thread up with large quotes, I instead just put in "blah" just so people know I am quoting what you last said. Maybe you didn't see it that way. Don't jump on me because of that.

Squirtle made some good points, but I also made some good points. Why do you mention his and not mention mine at all?

Again, read my posts. I said it was not wrong for people to have multiple chances to win a state championship. English, it's regular english sir. I am amazed how mad you seem to be over my posts. Maybe you shouldn't let people's posts get to your that much. If I remember correctly, I met you at the NC regionals last year. You seemed like a nice guy. I don't see a reason for you to be mad at me. Why can't you just respectfully disagree. I've treated you with nothing but respect so far.

I'm not even going to argue anymore. Good day.

 

[the_sniper]

John, are you even reading my posts?

You never said "blah", but instead of filling the thread up with large quotes, I instead just put in "blah" just so people know I am quoting what you last said. Maybe you didn't see it that way. Don't jump on me because of that.

Squirtle made some good points, but I also made some good points. Why do you mention his and not mention mine at all?

Again, read my posts. I said it was not wrong for people to have multiple chances to win a state championship. English, it's regular english sir. I am amazed how mad you seem to be over my posts. Maybe you shouldn't let people's posts get to your that much. If I remember correctly, I met you at the NC regionals last year. You seemed like a nice guy. I don't see a reason for you to be mad at me. Why can't you just respectfully disagree. I've treated you with nothing but respect so far.

I'm not even going to argue anymore. Good day.

It's all good prime- no hard feelings. Just don't really think the point your trying to make really matters.

 

[PokemansForGeeks]

It's all good prime- no hard feelings. Just don't really think the point your trying to make really matters.

Ouch. Btw GJ John T2'ing with FlareDos. Did you use the BF version or the Full Flame version. Ttyl.