Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

How big will infernape 4/Luxray GL be?

Because of the nature of this deck, I believe that while it will be widely played, because of how hard it is to play/build, there'll be lots of scrub versions of it running around.
 
A lot of senior division LuxApe's are pretty darn bad. I've seen them, I even donked a few with them with KINGDRA. So I think LuxApe would not be going around much in Seniors, but Masters... Yeah.

LuxApe against Gengar. It already beats Gengar, okay? Skunktank G or Crobat G. lol
 
charchar said:
I think it's going to be pretty big because a lot of people will go like it won so I play it.

Gengar will also be pretty big like Lux/Ape.

Does this deck have trouble with gengar? What's a good tech to beat gengar?
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Don't worry, Steven. It doesn't have too much of a problem with Gengar. Just play the same standard strategy as always. Gengar with Crobat is even easier, late game you can Bright Look up all their Crobats for easy KO's w/o worrying about Fainting Spell.
 
yoyofsho16 said:
Don't worry, Steven. It doesn't have too much of a problem with Gengar. Just play the same standard strategy as always. Gengar with Crobat is even easier, late game you can Bright Look up all their Crobats for easy KO's w/o worrying about Fainting Spell.
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Yay, I havn't played for a while so I'm like, don't know the d ways :p
 
Ignatious said:
Luxape placed first. What more proof do you want? Gengar didn't even top 8.
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Deck placings don't determine match-ups. Just because it won doesn't grant it an autowin to the rest of the format. Also, it was POOKA that won, and I've played against the guy enough to know he can find outs in most situations... he deserved first, and I think the player itself says more than the deck. If you wanna talk about deck placings, Gengar placed first in Seniors. So what's that mean?

And Gengar DID T8.
 
What looks Lux/ape`s pokemon line?

3-1 Infernape
2-2 Luxuray?

and tech

1 Rayquaza
1-1 Ninetales
3-1 uxie?

is it something like that?

And can someone explain me the strategi against Gengar ot gechamp? I really dont know how it could won against it?? :)
 
Shen said:
Deck placings don't determine match-ups. Just because it won doesn't grant it an autowin to the rest of the format. Also, it was POOKA that won, and I've played against the guy enough to know he can find outs in most situations... he deserved first, and I think the player itself says more than the deck. If you wanna talk about deck placings, Gengar placed first in Seniors. So what's that mean?

And Gengar DID T8.
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My apologies, I heard differently. Anyway, if one person can finds out in a given match up, anyone can do it. Pooka is not the only player in the world that can figure out how to beat Gengar. In fact, every top tier player will know how to do it. If Pooka is such a great player, why do you think he chose to play Luxape, when a field full of Gengar was inevitable? He knew Luxape beats Gengar. And it does.
 
Try

3-1 Infernape
2-1 Luxray
1 Bronzong G
1 Lucario GL
2-1 Uxie
1 Crobat
1 Azelf
2 Unown G

The choose your techs from:

Ninetales MT
Toxitank
Dialga G
Rayquaza/Stark Mountain

Infernape doesn't NEED charging every turn. KO the key stuff early by dragging it out with Bright Look, then Split Bomb and Trash Bolt are fine while you get another Infernape ready. You can always use a couple of Flint for when you need to hit big for 2 turns.

Or you can use Rayquaza and Stark.
 
baby mario said:
Try

3-1 Infernape
2-1 Luxray
1 Bronzong G
1 Lucario GL
2-1 Uxie
1 Crobat
1 Azelf
2 Unown G

The choose your techs from:

Ninetales MT
Toxitank
Dialga G
Rayquaza/Stark Mountain

Infernape doesn't NEED charging every turn. KO the key stuff early by dragging it out with Bright Look, then Split Bomb and Trash Bolt are fine while you get another Infernape ready. You can always use a couple of Flint for when you need to hit big for 2 turns.

Or you can use Rayquaza and Stark.
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I would also suggest a 2-2 line of Claydol, it's such a strong play.
 
Ignatious said:
My apologies, I heard differently. Anyway, if one person can finds out in a given match up, anyone can do it. Pooka is not the only player in the world that can figure out how to beat Gengar. In fact, every top tier player will know how to do it. If Pooka is such a great player, why do you think he chose to play Luxape, when a field full of Gengar was inevitable? He knew Luxape beats Gengar. And it does.
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So, you really think those Gengars T8'd without playing ANY Luxrapes? And Gengar won seniors without playing any, either?

Care to eleborate the match-up details, as well?

Also, just look in the Tournament reports for Gengar proof:

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=103935

He plays FOUR Luxrapes and beats them ALL in Nats, another in a side event.

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=104193

A "non-existent" T8 Gengar, beating 2 Luxrapes.
 
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Shen said:
So, you really think those Gengars T8'd without playing ANY Luxrapes? And Gengar won seniors without playing any, either?

Care to eleborate the match-up details, as well?

Also, just look in the Tournament reports for Gengar proof:

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=103935

He plays FOUR Luxrapes and beats them ALL in Nats, another in a side event.

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=104193

A "non-existent" T8 Gengar, beating 2 Luxrapes.
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Luxape is such a hard deck to play, that I honestly don't think that most Senior plays can handle it. Even most Masters have a hard time with it. I got Top 128 and horribly misplayed to knock myself out. It's so easy to misplay with this deck, but at the same time it's easy to recover from those misplays. This deck is a turn by turn deck. Not your usual, Take-Out, Hurracaine Punch, or Shadow Room/Poltergeist (I hope I get heads on Fainting Spell to put me out of this tight spot) or Dragon Pump auto-pilot decks.
 
^ I agree it's a hard deck to play, and I understand that many people don't like to give seniors credit. Still, I'm sure that getting closer to 1st place at Nats with Gengar has some sort of skill behind it. I personally think seniors gets more and more competitive the closer to 1st it gets at Nats, but for those who disagree you must at least look at the T4 decks. Gengar AND Luxray were both forces behind all four decks.

I'm sorry for your misplay, but no offense intended, misplays aren't viewed as a disadvantage of a deck. For example, when you're looking at the top decks in the format, you view them at their top possible level. That is the definition of the metagame, the most competitive level of play, this is how the deck functions. I'm convinced all of the Gengar vs Luxrape matches were more in favor of skill than misplays and flips. It simply isn't practical to blame the data backing the decks on those things. There's concrete proof in that Gengar can beat Luxrape.

On another note, I think people are tossing around the term "auto-pilot" far too much anymore. Though some decks are easier to play, especially in comparison to Luxrape, I don't think you can give decks like Gengar to newer players and expect them to do well. Auto-pilot decks usually have a donk factor, and I don't think I've ever seen Gengar donk all that more than an SP deck could score a donk. I know that's not the definition, right, auto-pilots you just draw your cards, lay them down, and attack. Decks like Gengar and Kingdra you have more options to work with, targets and damage to add up. Gengar is especially moving away from the auto-pilot trend with the inclusion of Nidoqueen. Out of the three decks you mentioned, IMHO, Gengar hardly fits that category.

I know (As I've said many times before), personal experience doesn't count for much... but I have a buddy who just started playing around States. He T16'd at Regionals with Machamp, losing only twice in Swiss. He plays Gengar for Nats and goes 3-5. You take a fresh player, and give them a TRUE auto-pilot deck, records start to speak. Ways to negate the "outs" against Fainting Spell are emerging, but that flip doesn't in and of itself create an auto-pilot deck.
 
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