HP-On: Am I the only one in love with it?

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by Flareon, Dec 7, 2007.

  1. Flareon

    Flareon New Member

    I keep hearing people complaining about how "x is dominating; this is format is so dumb- I cannot wait until DP-4". The thing is... Everyone is mentioning something different! So far, the most complained about cards I can think of are (for being OU or broken):

    Blissey
    Gallade
    Krikitune
    Absol
    Honchkrow
    Electivire
    Magmortar
    Empoleon
    Riolu (not Lucario, mind you xD)

    People! That's 9 DIFFERENT cards! And I'm sure I left some out. It's not even like they all use the same strategy.

    OU (Over Used)/ Broken Cards

    The people complaining that they cannot beat these cards are BAD players, no two ways about it. I'm not saying it to make fun of them- heck, I'm not an uber player. I've only come up with a few decks that have actually peformed well in tournament play. I'm saying this because it is just a fact. They either haven't been playing long enough/playing seriously enough, aren't very talented, or they are just opting to act like scrubs (complaining about a card rather than taking the leet player's direction- beat it or use it).

    HP-On

    This format isn't even like past formats where one deck might beat the popular one, but it does so HORRIBLY against EVERYTHING else that it cannot win a tournament, making it unplayable. No, there are almost always more viable deck choices then there are PLAYERS at any given event!

    Noobs Getting Smashed by T280

    Noobs SHOULD get obliterated at tournaments and by tournament worthy decks! If not, would you be playing this game? Think about it: A kid walks in, puts his favorite pokemon cards in a deck and wins a CC beating you and many others who have practiced this game for years, staying up until 6am playtesting on appr and looking through the PokeBeach galleries and PokePedia trying to metagame the enviroment! Who, in a skill based strategy game, should win? Any Tom, Dick or Harry? No! It would make Pokemon a terrible game. Pokemon is fun because it is challenging, and there never is a person or deck that will always win. Good players should win the majority of the time. A little luck gives some hope, and that's what noobs have.

    Noobs Never Winning

    Sure, it is frustrating to lose a lot. But guess what? Not everyone can win. Noobs shouldn't win tournaments or even have a fair chance to. However, (at tournaments) they can have fun, participate, learn new skills and see what the competitive world of Pokemon is like first-hand. How to get better? We are nice people! Even MOST of the people acting like jerks on here help new players. I give away cards all the time! I never turn down games to newbies unless I already promised someone else a game. The average player will bend over backwards for new players, so don't bring the few that don't into this discussion. Newbs can have fun and get better at league, THEN win tournaments.

    The Decks
    I will admit control decks are lacking. All the control based cards seem to be in one deck right now. However, there are a lot of options for winning tournaments right now. I've seen a lot of fancy plays and there are a bunch of cool, playable cards out right now that people aren't even considering! From reading remarks on this forum you would think the format has only 1 or 2 cards! Look at what is legal, and WINNING:

    Absol/Krow
    Absol/Pom
    Absol/Pom/Krow
    Blissey
    Blissey/Magmortar
    Blissey/Lucario
    Blissey/Empoleon
    Blissey/Vire
    Blissey/Delcatty
    Blissey/Whatever Pokemon is your favorite
    InferCatty
    Hurricane
    Mario
    Banette.dec
    QueenHatter
    Gallade.dec
    MegGatr
    Krikitune
    Ampy.dec
    Flygon/ex/techs
    FlyVire
    EmpCario
    And more!

    Guys, I'm not even grasping at straws. Counting Bliss and Absol varients as 1 each, that's still 14 decks that are actually viable. That's not even counting the decks that creative people are making and WINNING with. I keep hearing stories of off-the-wall decks made to counter local metas. The cards and decks are still good enough to take on the randoms. People, there are so many viable cards and decks out there, even excluding everything I've mentioned. The choices in this format are not something to complain about, IMO. Learn to counter and outplay. That, or use what's winning.

    Thoughts?

    Sincerely,
    ~Carlos
     
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2007
  2. Kajo Okira

    Kajo Okira New Member

    I do have to agree I like this season because a person who has been using one pokémon they like can get better with the release of each set and make a strong reliable deck...
     
  3. Viva piñata

    Viva piñata Active Member

    hi

    i think the most broken card is wailord in the new dp set a stage1 poke with 200 hp ''what tha heck''
     
  4. Jason

    Jason New Member

    still its attack and body are torterribad.
     
  5. Ryomota

    Ryomota New Member

    The only thing that makes Wailord less horrible is Holon Energy GL to get rid of special conditions, but even after that, it's attack is still too weak
     
  6. therage

    therage New Member

    i liked this article ALOT.
    Gj carlos, also,if you ever need a appr match,lmk as im always open xD
     
  7. vanderbilt_grad

    vanderbilt_grad New Member

    I don't *hate* the HP-on format but I do miss a few things.


    OU/BC

    It's a CCG. Some cards are going to be better than others. You are 100% correct. You have to either play or be able to beat the good cards.


    HP-on

    Just imagine for a moment that LM was still in format. We would have Cursed Stone, Giant Stump, Strange Cave, Banette ex, Mew ex, and RAINBOW ENERGY among others in format. How huge would that be? Banette would probably still be a major force. Rainbow Energy might make some cards like Gyarados playable. Cursed Stone would be amazing in some of the anti-powers decks. In short just adding one set could increase your list of playable decks by at LEAST 25% IMHO.

    Take it further and imagine that our foramt was like Japan's and was FRLG/TRR on. The number of playable decks and fun combinations would be crazy.

    Even last year there wasn't one deck that beat everything. Metanite, R-Gon, Flygon, Absolutions, Banette, Destiny, Ambush, and more all did well at various points. Rogue decks regularly won events. I remember reading about Charizard d, Arcanine ex, and more in event reports.

    HP-on isn't too restricting to play, but it is a pretty small pool of cards trainer wise and, IMHO, accentuates he difference between DP and Pre-DP cards since so many of the good pre-DP cards are gone.


    Noobs

    I played my first event last year exactly 3 weeks after looking at a Pokemon card for the first time ever. I had NO direct help from any other experienced players and in fact had not even been by a league at that point. Even so I was able to win a single game, against a good player no less. The fact that I had spent some $$ buying random cards beforehand so that I actually had lines like 4-2-4 and supporters like Rare Candy and 2 Holon Transceivers helped ... as did the fact that I bothered to go online and read about how to build decks.

    I was *really* happy with that one win. Heck I would have been satisfied with simply playing and going 0-5 that day. The win was icing on the cake. But that was because I liked the game and realized that everyone has to start somewhere. As an adult I could look past the loosing to see the bigger picture. Namely that in order to win you first have to build your skill ... and the best way to do that is to play other good players and that in turn means frequently loosing, at least at first.

    I’ve got to say that nearly everyone I met was super that first event. I got some great advice from folks that I met and played. Meeting friendly people and seeing how much fun the kids had were what convinced me that this was something that my whole family could do.


    The Decks

    This is just IMHO, but I think that there is less distance between the “tier 1” and “tier 2” decks this year. The changes in weakness, the poison=psychic change so less grass resistance, and number of less easily doinkable basics narrows the gap. Restricted trainer lists also further close the gap. Frankly I would expect more variation this year since I think that a smaller gap means that both skill and luck will play more of a role this year than last. A good or luck (or both) player will be able to win with all sorts of things.
     
  8. bugsbite

    bugsbite New Member

    When do you lose the Noob label?

    You know we have a better changes of transmitting our disease.
     
  9. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    I built a Gardy ex deck last year, and gave it to my yonger bro. and he won 4th at regionals, loseing int2 to one of it's only bad matchups, R-k9eveelutions. And if anyone remembers, no one though Gardevoir ex was even remotly playable due to the monster known as Flygon ex. The funny thing was that, it's matchup against Flygon was somthing like 60-40, due to a 1-1 Blastoise d and Latias* tech. Just goes to show you what you can do if you get creative.
     
  10. XxMarcTx

    XxMarcTx New Member

    This is truely the most level playing field that we have had in years. So to the so called noobs I quote a great master
    Do or do not, there is no try
     
  11. bugsbite

    bugsbite New Member

    :biggrin:

    Thanks for the encouragement Luke. :smile:
     
  12. XxMarcTx

    XxMarcTx New Member

    That's Yoda my young padiwan
     
  13. Flareon

    Flareon New Member

    Oh yeah, it goes without saying there could be some really cool decks out there if LM were included. I'll admit the idea of HP-on is a little clunky. LM was one of the better sets IMO. But I'm still having fun with it and see no reason to complain.

    I agree with you on the tiers completely. Previous tiers were almost Tier 1=Playable and Tier2=Almost-but not-playable.

    therage,
    Thanks, lol. Sometime soon ;)
     
  14. Marcos

    Marcos New Member

    nise to read.
     
  15. Let Fire Fall

    Let Fire Fall New Member

    I actually hate this format.
     
  16. Mew*

    Mew* Active Member

    I really like this format because all of the good cards are cheap, with the exception of Time-Space Distortion. I wasn't totally into this game last year, but it seemed like you needed pricey ex cards like Flygon ex d, Eveelutions ex, Absol ex, Banette ex, and Mew ex. It was really hard for a new player like myself at that time to get the cards necessary to win. This season seems much easier to jump in since the best cards like Blissey and Gallade are dirt cheap considering their playability score.

    I like this format!

    That is how its done!
     
  17. Jayson

    Jayson Active Member

    This format makes it really difficult to decide what deck to play. Everything looks like so much fun. I feel like a kid in a candy store when I sit down and try to build a deck. I'll probably be playing a different deck for each of the three Cities I'll be going to this season.
     
  18. Chromecatz

    Chromecatz New Member

    I agree with Jayson on the fact that the format makes it difficult to decide on a deck to play at any given tournament.
     
  19. Flareon

    Flareon New Member

    Haha, yeah, that's a really good analogy.
     
  20. pichu bros. rox

    pichu bros. rox New Member

    That's exactly how I feel. I have used all differnent decks at all the tourneys ive played at and im still negotiating on what to play.:frown:
     

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