Hurricane deck, an answer to the Metagame?

[KAZUTO!!!]

I play Blissey! It's my favourite card in the format, second Banette (so I play Banbliss), and I think Hurricane stands a fair chance against Blissey! Tough I haven't versed Hurricane yet, but I'm going to make it and test against Lucario-Blissey!

Hurricane will hopefully be good in States. And I really think it can with GE.

 

[FriedBlaziken]

With GE it might stand a chance..
But I'd play it with Claydol.
Late game when your deck is filled with energy, you use Claydol, draw 4-6 energys, magneton for 2 you have 100-140 a turn!.

 

[forrest yo]

well i think its good against G&G and mag but when the tournements were happing meg,gator was big and it totally recked it

 

[Rai]

With GE it might stand a chance..
But I'd play it with Claydol.
Late game when your deck is filled with energy, you use Claydol, draw 4-6 energys, magneton for 2 you have 100-140 a turn!.

Yes, indeed. Claydol seems to be the friend EXCEPT for getting Energy into the discard. I can't see Claydol fitting in though, without eliminating Delcatty. Just too many pokemon if you do that. :/

 

[Lord Broly]

Darth, I think it's funny on how you think Hurricane is the best deck lol.
GG Variants destroy it. All you need to do is keep using Psychic lock.
Psychic Lock + Wager wins games. Just keep recycling Gardy's and
that's it. It's an easy match and that's what I did during city's.

 

[FriedBlaziken]

Yes, indeed. Claydol seems to be the friend EXCEPT for getting Energy into the discard. I can't see Claydol fitting in though, without eliminating Delcatty. Just too many pokemon if you do that. :/

I meant playing Feral with Claydol and 1-1 Magneton, if i did I would be ditching delcatty.

 

[Rai]

I meant playing Feral with Claydol and 1-1 Magneton, if i did I would be ditching delcatty.

Basically what I said. :/

But 1-1 Magneton seems rather low. 2-2 might work better. Especially since Felecity's drawing lets you discard 2 energy per play, and that throws cards into the discard at a nice rate for Magneton.

And an 8 card hand (after discarding twice for two Magneton) can't be that bad for Feraligatr. Especially since at least half of the cards WILL be energy.

EDIT:

About the Gardevoir matchup thing...

Yes, Gardevoir getting an early Psychic Lock will make you throw tantrums. Yes. Is it still possible to come back? Certainly. Feraligatr swarm will overwhelm your opponent should more then 1 Feraligatr get set up (meaning 3 energy somehow provided on them). The flood of 60 damage and discard on a pokemon with 130 HP and a basically negligible weakness is rather scary should it happen. Even something absolutely crazy like a Pidgeot d lock won't save you at that point.

 

[DarthPika]

Darth, I think it's funny on how you think Hurricane is the best deck lol.
GG Variants destroy it. All you need to do is keep using Psychic lock.
Psychic Lock + Wager wins games. Just keep recycling Gardy's and
that's it. It's an easy match and that's what I did during city's.

You are forgetting Sableye cg, and Gatr swarm. It's not realy that hard to OHKO a Gardy, since all I need is 6 nrg in my hand.

Rai put it quite well here.

About the Gardevoir matchup thing...

Yes, Gardevoir getting an early Psychic Lock will make you throw tantrums. Yes. Is it still possible to come back? Certainly. Feraligatr swarm will overwhelm your opponent should more then 1 Feraligatr get set up (meaning 3 energy somehow provided on them). The flood of 60 damage and discard on a pokemon with 130 HP and a basically negligible weakness is rather scary should it happen. Even something absolutely crazy like a Pidgeot d lock won't save you at that point.

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Doesn't Blissey still roll over you like it always did? I know you think Blissey won't be used as much with G&G running around, but people will still play it, even at states.

It depends on the Blissy, but Hurricane can beat Blissy, and with Phione to help get things out faster, I think that the matchup will be even more in Hurricanes favor.

And I'm not sure about how well Claydoll will work in here. Yes it speads things up, but also limits you on draw power.

So far it's looking good for Hurricane at states. Also I think with ge it will finaly be a contender for BDIF along with G&G and Magmortor, as it will be able to consistantly beat them.

 

[Ardoptres]

I played Hurricane once at a CC, (only attended in two), after we both had KOd stuff, I won a Wager, then Psychic locked, and he basically died. It's not in your favor, a little in G&Gs.

 

[DarthPika]

^ I tech in 2 Sableye for that reasone.

 

[vanderbilt_grad]

Sableye + Claydoll can pretty much replace Delcatty IMHO. Sableye will give you a useful attack to boot & Claydoll's type will help against Absol in addition to his power. Add Phione and it looks very interesting to me.

 

[Holy Star]

^ I tech in 2 Sableye for that reasone.

Leveling up removes Disable's effect, making Sableye useless.

 

[(TYranitarFReak)]

Darth, I think it's funny on how you think Hurricane is the best deck lol.
GG Variants destroy it. All you need to do is keep using Psychic lock.
Psychic Lock + Wager wins games. Just keep recycling Gardy's and
that's it. It's an easy match and that's what I did during city's.

Breaking tail x 2 FTKO?

 

[DarthPika]

Leveling up removes Disable's effect, making Sableye useless.

And you will be able to do that how many times??

Breaking tail x 2 FTKO?

And that's the other option.

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Sableye + Claydoll can pretty much replace Delcatty IMHO. Sableye will give you a useful attack to boot & Claydoll's type will help against Absol in addition to his power. Add Phione and it looks very interesting to me.

I have just been playing around with Phione in my normal list with Catty/ton, and it was amazeing.

 

[chriscobi634]

Yes, indeed. Claydol seems to be the friend EXCEPT for getting Energy into the discard. I can't see Claydol fitting in though, without eliminating Delcatty. Just too many pokemon if you do that. :/

gator doesn't have to be just used with Delcatty. While that was a good combo, Magneton, there are a few other cards that get you basic energy cards into your hand.

Delcatty is good because it helps recover from Wager loss, but Claydol isn't sounding too bad in that.

PLEASE GYMERS LETS STOP FROM THE BaF (Back and Forth). What I mean from this is when ever a deck vs. another deck is argued two players or sometimes even more will post entire pages just going back and forth with arguments that lead nowhere. This thread is the perfect example:

Player 1: I do this with my Hurricane to counter this from your G/G

Player 2: Well since you did that, I'll do this to counter what you counter.

Player 1: Now that you have counter the counter I had for your deck I'll bring a second counter.

Player 3: Well G/G can also do this and that.

And it goes on for entire pages without anything really being resolved. At times the same thing is mention 3+ times within the same thread. Be more mature then that.

I too have done it before, and have realized that it's useless to argue points like this.

 

[Lordofflareons]

seeing as cities is over, does it really matter? hurricane might have survived an ok g&g list, but im not gonna argue that. anyway, with GE coming out sceptile will own it with resistance and just betterness IMO. but you can always try........

 

[DarthPika]

^ This is more of a thread about posibly using it for states.

And I don't see Sceptile beeing that great.

To be truly good, it needs Leafeon, and we are not getting that in ge. By it's selfe Sceptile just isn't that great.
BTW, I do think that comboed right Sceptile is amazeing, but right now I just don't see it being a threat.

Also Sceptile DIES to Magmortor far worse than Hurricane to Sceptile. So if you realy want to try to play a Sceptile deck in a Magmorter infested States just to beat the 2 Hurricanes you might battle, then good luck. lol

 

[Flareon]

Ignatious gave way more detail than necessary, but was right on. Wager/Psy Lock beats the deck. The match up is easily 70/30 or higher in Gallade's favor. It doesn't matter what you tech your deck with, it's not going to be able to compete with it.

I'm not saying this because I have a personal attraction to Gallade (even though Gallade is sooo hott!), I'm saying it because that is what the testing has proven to me. If you disagree, that's fine. Like chriscobi634 said, going back and forth is never going to resolve anything. You, and the rest of the people that disagree with the match up can take or leave it. I'm just one more person that has tested it and agrees with the way they broke down the match up.

As for states, GatrCat variants are tough. The combo is very solid. Heck, I would have been playing it during the CC's if I wasn't convinced it has such a horrible match against Gallade. It will be a meta game decision, and the new set is certainly going to shake things up. Personally, I don't think the format will be ripe for it, but with a new set coming out and only a month to get ready (and only 2 weekends of States!) you just never know.

Hope you have a great time at States

 

[Dark Weedle]

ive never lost to blissey using gatr if i get any kind of setup at all. I dont see how you can even start to think that matchup is in blissey favor. And gallade against gatr is as 50/50 as ive ever seen. Whoever gets a better setup is going to win 9/10 times. If gatr gets going there isnt much gallde can do and the same is true for gatr is gallade gets set up faster.

 

[DarthPika]

^ That's exactly what I found, and I won against 3 diffirent G&G at a cittys just by getting a good set up.

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Ignatious gave way more detail than necessary, but was right on. Wager/Psy Lock beats the deck. The match up is easily 70/30 or higher in Gallade's favor. It doesn't matter what you tech your deck with, it's not going to be able to compete with it.

I'm not saying this because I have a personal attraction to Gallade (even though Gallade is sooo hott!), I'm saying it because that is what the testing has proven to me. If you disagree, that's fine. Like chriscobi634 said, going back and forth is never going to resolve anything. You, and the rest of the people that disagree with the match up can take or leave it. I'm just one more person that has tested it and agrees with the way they broke down the match up.

As for states, GatrCat variants are tough. The combo is very solid. Heck, I would have been playing it during the CC's if I wasn't convinced it has such a horrible match against Gallade. It will be a meta game decision, and the new set is certainly going to shake things up. Personally, I don't think the format will be ripe for it, but with a new set coming out and only a month to get ready (and only 2 weekends of States!) you just never know.

Hope you have a great time at States

Thanks hope you have a good time to.

Psysic Lock is a pain, but I have always found ways around it. :wink:

I agree with you on the Gatrcat beeign the best varient so far, though I still have to test Claydoll. You should try it out against Gallade and see how it dose. I have found that the one who gets set up better (usaly hurricane) wins.

Anyway, I'll let you guys know how I do with the deck (I still might not use it) and hopfully it will do well across the country.