Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

I think there needs to be another product that has basic energy cards.

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signofzeta said:
Uh, I assume you live in a "basketball net deprived" neighborhood. You see those nets hanging atop of some people's garages? Or perhaps those basketball nets that those people set up towards the side of the garage?
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I live in New York City, so... no. Almost no-one has basketball nets in their driveway, because almost no-one has a driveway. Therefore, basketball hoop manufacturers should not try to sell mobile hoops in my area. In the same way, TPCi should not try to sell certain Pokemon products in areas with a meager market.

You're proving my point. How convenient.
 
I've was reading through this, and decided that it was worth it to throw in my two cents.

signofzeta said:
Not in my area. Prerelease events only happen if an event organizer holds prerelease events.
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How is this different from anyone else's area?

signofzeta said:
2. You have energy, this won't sell because YOU won't buy it.

I asked the same thing in the MTG forums. They either donate the extra lands, use them as proxies, or just not buy the product. This product is designed in such a way that people would only buy one, and one only, probably for their rest of their lives. They are for people to get a start and build that energy base. The people in the MTG forums surely don't cry every time they get 8 extra energy cards.
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Wait, what? There are energy cards in MTG? You seem to be forgetting that TPCi is a business. What is a business? A business is a commercial enterprise. The keyword is commercial. Thus the goal of TPCi is to make money. You don't make money from a product that only sells once.

signofzeta said:
We ALL don't have energies. We, as in, my group.
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Then why doesn't your group all pitch in some money and buy a set of energy?

At a lot of 200 energy for $20, your only paying about 6 dollars for enough to make about 16 decks (decks nowadays run about 12 energy), split among 4 people, that's enough energies for 4 decks a person and some extras, at the expense of 6 dollars.
 
Yeah, with 40 energy and 8 types, you only get 5 of each type. That's actually a legitimate complaint. You can't expect players to buy TWO of these to have 10 energy for making minimalist decks, never mind that P!P KNOWS that a good deck takes 20+ pokemon, 16+ energy, and 10-15 trainers.
 
Wow, did not see this coming. PokeCollection isn't trolling with this somehow? I hadn't heard of them before, but seems legit. I'm looking forward to seeing more than that single piece of marketing collateral.
 
losjackal said:
Wow, did not see this coming. PokeCollection isn't trolling with this somehow? I hadn't heard of them before, but seems legit. I'm looking forward to seeing more than that single piece of marketing collateral.
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PokeCollection has been the first to announce most Pokemon TCG related items for the last year or so.
 
psychup2034 said:
Well, it turns out I was wrong. TPCi determined that there is a market for this type of product. Packaging the product with a cool deck box and some spiffy dice certainly increases its value to players as well as collectors. Good move TPCi.

Maybe a product like this would be a stepping stone to the much-needed competitive player toolkit.
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Let's see the resulting sales before we deem this a success. Frankly, I'd be buying this product only for the cool Lugia box even if it didn't have anything else inside and I'm sure many others would too. This is a case where we have to be careful in regards to correlation vs causation.
 
Kayle said:
Yeah, with 40 energy and 8 types, you only get 5 of each type. That's actually a legitimate complaint. You can't expect players to buy TWO of these to have 10 energy for making minimalist decks, never mind that P!P KNOWS that a good deck takes 20+ pokemon, 16+ energy, and 10-15 trainers.
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Haha, please tell me that's a joke.
 
Kayle said:
Yeah, with 40 energy and 8 types, you only get 5 of each type. That's actually a legitimate complaint. You can't expect players to buy TWO of these to have 10 energy for making minimalist decks, never mind that P!P KNOWS that a good deck takes 20+ pokemon, 16+ energy, and 10-15 trainers.
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Im not sure what meta deck your playing since most of them dont require that many Pokemon, or that little Trainers or that much energy lol.

Its going to depend on the price of this thing if it sells well. The packs equal out to 28 dollars and the energies you could value at 2 so if its anything more than 35 dollars it wont do that great but if its anything less it will be a great value. 40 dollars would be pushing it, 35 is reasonable since it has to have some mark up and 30 would be an excellent value. No offense but I think only the OP really cares about the energy which thanks to this product will decrease in price even further now.
 
FSULugia said:
Im not sure what meta deck your playing since most of them dont require that many Pokemon, or that little Trainers or that much energy lol.
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Kayle was joking; if you were joking in response, then "oops!" :redface:

Still, within the joke is a valid point; if the Energy is distributed evenly, by modern deck building standards you would still be a bit light as either you would need a few more basic Energy (of a specific Type), or you're needing Special Energy cards you don't have. If the Energy isn't evenly distributed between the various Types... that kind of misses the point.

I am not advocating for including the commonly played Special Energy card in this set, but agreeing that if you really are brand new to the game and needing something to get yourself set-up for even casual deck building, you'll need to double or possibly triple up on this product.
 
Otaku said:
I am not advocating for including the commonly played Special Energy card in this set, but agreeing that if you really are brand new to the game and needing something to get yourself set-up for even casual deck building, you'll need to double or possibly triple up on this product.
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People needing to double or triple up on the product is a good thing. Strong sales keeps organized play funded, and keeps the TCG moving.

(The counterargument that "if people need to double or triple up on the product, they won't even buy one" would be ridiculous given the reception of this product in the other thread.)
 
Otaku said:
Kayle was joking; if you were joking in response, then "oops!" :redface:

Still, within the joke is a valid point; if the Energy is distributed evenly, by modern deck building standards you would still be a bit light as either you would need a few more basic Energy (of a specific Type), or you're needing Special Energy cards you don't have. If the Energy isn't evenly distributed between the various Types... that kind of misses the point.

I am not advocating for including the commonly played Special Energy card in this set, but agreeing that if you really are brand new to the game and needing something to get yourself set-up for even casual deck building, you'll need to double or possibly triple up on this product.
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I think it's perfectly fine for a new player to buy 2 or 3 of the Elite Trainer Boxes. Seeing as the set pre-order price is 30-35, the value is defiantly there. If this is a player new to TCGs in general, getting 7 packs and dice is a great deal. Even if they aren't, I know I don't mind getting some new dice every now and then.
 
Even at 35-40 per trainer box, it will run you the same 120 bucks for buying a box. On top of that, you get 120 energy which should be 15 of each type which is good and you get like 80 percent of a booster box, get extra stuff you can trade like the deck boxs (here's hoping its a cool lugia box), some dice and special condition which I'm personally looking forward to.

I will be getting 2 of these and if money is right, another 2.
 
Otaku said:
Kayle was joking; if you were joking in response, then "oops!" :redface:

Still, within the joke is a valid point; if the Energy is distributed evenly, by modern deck building standards you would still be a bit light as either you would need a few more basic Energy (of a specific Type), or you're needing Special Energy cards you don't have. If the Energy isn't evenly distributed between the various Types... that kind of misses the point.

I am not advocating for including the commonly played Special Energy card in this set, but agreeing that if you really are brand new to the game and needing something to get yourself set-up for even casual deck building, you'll need to double or possibly triple up on this product.
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I think the energies included are just throwing players a bone. Its not wise to buy 3-4 of these JUST for the energies. The price of bulk energy will drop further due to more being in circulation, if you thought 5 dollars was cheap, there going to be somewhere from 2-3 now. A lot of people will be buying this for the other stuff and have all these excessive energies that they will be glad to almost give them away.
 
To be fair, I was trying to "think" like signofzeta, who (whether it is a significant market or not) is representing the people who just want to cover it all in one lump sum. Me? I would rather they just make starter decks a wee bit better. Nothing too incredible, just enough to warrant buying them at least semi-regularly.

Though as a long time RPG player, I do have an inordinate fondness for dice. I am hoping this product does well. :)
 
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