Illegal attacks/steps during a turn

[Tego]

I don't really get what the fuss is all about, this seems like it doesn't even need to be written down. Common sense. Or am I missing something?

So basically, If I chose an attack I can not use, but there is another I can use, I am allowed to re-select.

correct?.

That's the way I've always done it. If a player has 3 Energy on his/her Salamence D and announces to do 100 damage, and the opponent notices there is one Energy too few, of course the Salamence player doesn't just have to end his turn without attacking. I take it for granted that he then can use the first attack (for two Energies) instead. If any opponent ever complains to that kind of judge move made by me, I just ask the opponent: "Would it in the current situation in any possible way make sense for the Salamence player to not wish to attack? Wouldn't you attack if it was you?" and that pretty much ends the argument.

My general rule is that a Pokémon player should be ashamed of him/herself if he/she denies the opponent from doing something which it's completely obvious that he/she wants to do. Some players say "your turn" when they mean "I'm attacking". Some really awful opponents then take advantage of it and say it's too late. As a judge, I raelly think it's unacceptable to try to win by hoping your opponent will do something he/she does not intend/want to do.

 

[Rainbowgym]

Tego -

You are missing something else which appeared several times.
People announcing to attack, find out they miss the correct energy and proceed to play a trainer of attach an energy (sometime because they didn't use the one per turn).

It really happens even in Masters, and therefor I am happy this ruling is out.

 

[Ice'Cold]

You heard it hear folks. Chuck is now the official Pokemon TCG GALACTIC CHAMPION!

 

[ShadowCard]

Run by me again the lack of defined steps...

Take a prize.

My general rule is that a Pokémon player should be ashamed of him/herself if he/she denies the opponent from doing something which it's completely obvious that he/she wants to do. Some players say "your turn" when they mean "I'm attacking". Some really awful opponents then take advantage of it and say it's too late. As a judge, I raelly think it's unacceptable to try to win by hoping your opponent will do something he/she does not intend/want to do.

You attach a Grass Energy to a Charmander. You meant to attach the Fire Energy. I should be ashamed if I don't let you take back the Grass Energy card for the Fire Energy card? Personally, I would say that I should be ashamed for not letting you, but there are people who can sleep at night with their shame, along with the trophy sitting on their shelf. We all think everyone should be the good semaritian, but we also like to say you don't have to be.

I'm for the fluid, casual, this is a game and let's have fun approach. I forgot that this is serious business - no fun allowed.

 

[Rocketman]

Several times during States I had to correct opponents on their call of an attack......." I'll kill that one" or "knock out" or something similar is not an attack on any pokemon card. But "Cill my Landlord" should be..........( I'll allow it)
Maybe if we made a martin card with that picture " Cill my Landlord" could be an attack!
And Chuck, I'm still reigning word champ of team sealed..........for 5 years now! No one else has done that.
Team Rocket, 5 years Team Sealed Champs!!!!!!! A pokemon record! Yahhhhhh!

 

[M_Liesik]

I forgot that this is serious business - no fun allowed.

People look at games and competition differently. Some people play baseball as a fun, recreational past time and can enjoy it whether they win or lose. Some people have to win to have fun. It's a matter of perspective really. Different people derive joy from a game in different ways. There's nothing wrong with being competitive, as long as you can be a good sport about it.

Should you let your opponent take back a misplay? That's really up to you and you alone. Do I think that you're being a poor sport by not allowing your opponent to take back a play? Not really. It's not a choice I'd make, but I won't judge you poorly for it.

Personally, I don't buy in to the "win to have fun" mentality. If you've seen me play at any of the Professor Cups, you'd know that. I laugh when I win, I laugh when I lose. I may get frustrated during a match, but my goal is to have my opponent walk away from the game say, "Man, what a great guy! I hope I get the chance to play him again!" I'm not naive enough to think that everyone plays (or should play) the same way that I do. The best I can do is play the way that I play, and hope that my attitude rubs off on those around me.

 

[evil psyduck]

Why should someone be ashamed for not letting their opponent take back a misplay? Isn't it their responsibility to know what they are doing? I have made mistakes many times when playing and do not take it back even when the person i am playing says i can. Make sure what you want to do before you do it. I might let them go back in casual play but not in a tournament.

 

[Rocketman]

I found that players who are good sports still will not let an opponent take a mistake back in a premier tournament. You should never judge a person by one action. In fact, a really good sport would not ask an opponent if they could take back a move, knowing they made the mistake and are big enough to take it and move on.
Rick

 

[Pidgeotto Trainer]

Make them announce the attack before they put damage counters or any counters on your Pokemon.

If there is an incorrect "do 40" situation, and you break in and say, "which attack are you doing" then they'll probably realize their mistake and try to take back what was clearly their first intention by announcing a different attack. Saying "do 40" becomes a safety loophole then. I suppose calling a judge is the best thing to do, though it still seems like a gray area to these new rules.

 

[PSYCO829]

I would like to make a little correction here, being a defender to the poor Pikachu's here, I feel that the above attacking statement should read: "I attack your Steelix EX with my Pikachu's Tail Whip for 10 damage and a Knock Out"

Don't underestimate the Chu!
That is all *bows*

Thank you :biggrin:

:lol:

 

[ShadowCard]

Personally, I don't buy in to the "win to have fun" mentality. If you've seen me play at any of the Professor Cups, you'd know that. I laugh when I win, I laugh when I lose. I may get frustrated during a match, but my goal is to have my opponent walk away from the game say, "Man, what a great guy! I hope I get the chance to play him again!"

I do hope I get to play you again :thumb: . I'm excited, an actual 2vs2 tournament.

Why should someone be ashamed for not letting their opponent take back a misplay? Isn't it their responsibility to know what they are doing? I have made mistakes many times when playing and do not take it back even when the person i am playing says i can. Make sure what you want to do before you do it. I might let them go back in casual play but not in a tournament.

I used to think that way. Then, I realized that it is a game and is meant to be fun. You suck all the fun out of a game when you decide no take backs. The only reason you wouldn't allow the opponent to take something back is because you're afraid that the opponent will see a better move, or because you're already horribly losing and are simply bitter at your opponent. The better player would allow the take back because not doing so is taking advantage of an opponent's error, which isn't really a true win - it's like kicking a person when he/she is already down. Maybe you're too prideful to request the take back, which is your decision as you made the error. If you've fallen, it is your choice about whether or not you want to accept someone's help in getting up. However, this is a game and you're way too prideful if you think your so good that you cannot make any mistake worth a take back.
Your allowed to change answers on a test, and tests are no fun. People change their minds. We're not robots.

 

[bulbasnore]

There's no dying in Pokemon!

I've played Pokemon for 8 years and am 1000% sure I've never even come close to announcing an illegal attack in my life. Why can't you people just pay attention -_-.

Excellent. May your tribe increase.

yo mike?
what if i just wave my hand at my opponents pokemon and say "ko"
is that my attack for the turn?

Not to pick on you, but good example. That person has attacked. Sloppily. Leaving self open to a penalty if the play somehow gets wrapped around the axle because the attack was ambiguous.

 

[Rulemaster]

I've played Pokemon for 8 years and am 1000% sure I've never even come close to announcing an illegal attack in my life. Why can't you people just pay attention -_-.

thats why you're the '02 champ. (lafonte)

 

[a_shy_girl_1999]

People look at games and competition differently. Some people play baseball as a fun, recreational past time and can enjoy it whether they win or lose. Some people have to win to have fun. It's a matter of perspective really. Different people derive joy from a game in different ways. There's nothing wrong with being competitive, as long as you can be a good sport about it.

Should you let your opponent take back a misplay? That's really up to you and you alone. Do I think that you're being a poor sport by not allowing your opponent to take back a play? Not really. It's not a choice I'd make, but I won't judge you poorly for it.

Personally, I don't buy in to the "win to have fun" mentality. If you've seen me play at any of the Professor Cups, you'd know that. I laugh when I win, I laugh when I lose. I may get frustrated during a match, but my goal is to have my opponent walk away from the game say, "Man, what a great guy! I hope I get the chance to play him again!" I'm not naive enough to think that everyone plays (or should play) the same way that I do. The best I can do is play the way that I play, and hope that my attitude rubs off on those around me.

So true, That is the way I feel as well, you play to have fun. I have seen to many people with the "win to have fun" attitude to the point when they stop winning they quit the game. I think its actually sad. I hope I can play a match with you sometime.
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If your opponent, say, plays the energy and lets go, I do consider it in play since it was let go of, however if my opponent asks if he/she can take it back to put another energy down, its fine with me and I dont mind letting him/her taking it back for another energy. Its kinda like a learning experience to think of their diffrent stragities.

 

[ShadowCard]

If your opponent, say, plays the energy and lets go, I do consider it in play since it was let go of, however if my opponent asks if he/she can take it back to put another energy down, its fine with me and I dont mind letting him/her taking it back for another energy. Its kinda like a learning experience to think of their diffrent stragities.

I agree. You learn when you get to correct your whatever error you think you just made (it may even be the better move they're trying to take back but don't realize it ). Teachers realized that a long time ago and started offering test corrections for points.

I used to adhere strongly to the "hand is off the card, no take backs (sucker *hehehe*)." Eventually, I realized there was no point. People will only regard you with bitterness, which doesn't promote a friendly atmosphere in the game. And the "hand rule" doesn't help when it involves Pokemon Powers. "I use Fragrance Tr... no wait, I didn't complete the line, so it isn't played yet!"

 

[Flaming_Spinach]

You attach a Grass Energy to a Charmander. You meant to attach the Fire Energy. I should be ashamed if I don't let you take back the Grass Energy card for the Fire Energy card? Personally, I would say that I should be ashamed for not letting you, but there are people who can sleep at night with their shame, along with the trophy sitting on their shelf. We all think everyone should be the good semaritian, but we also like to say you don't have to be.

If they attach the wrong energy, it's their fault. And they have to deal with that misplay.

If my opponent misplays, I hold them to it. And if I misplay, I expect my opponent to hold me to it.



Also, if you don't know how to play the game SO MUCH that you fail to see the diference between a Fire and a Grass energy, maybe you shouldn't be playing competitively yet.

There's nothing wrong with being competitive, as long as you can be a good sport about it.

Will you adopt me?

 

[a_shy_girl_1999]

Also, if you don't know how to play the game SO MUCH that you fail to see the diference between a Fire and a Grass energy, maybe you shouldn't be playing competitively yet.

I have been to many tourneys where its a players first time playing. I think its perfectly fine to come into the tourney scene new. Its another learning experience and a chance to meet new players as well as find out about local leagues if they don't know where they are.

 

[ShadowCard]

Also, if you don't know how to play the game SO MUCH that you fail to see the diference between a Fire and a Grass energy, maybe you shouldn't be playing competitively yet.

if you don't know how to play the game SO MUCH that you fail to see the Crystal Beach shutting down your Holon's Castform's ability to provide 2 energy of all types, maybe you shouldn't be playing competitively yet. Yet it is a big enough issue that Mike had to go to Dave and Yasu and discuss.
Mistakes get made. I see people try to evolve things from Pokemon that don't evolve into them all the time. We always laugh it off. Some people also have difficulty seeing red and green.

 

[Flaming_Spinach]

I have been to many tourneys where its a players first time playing. I think its perfectly fine to come into the tourney scene new. Its another learning experience and a chance to meet new players as well as find out about local leagues if they don't know where they are.

Thats perfectly fine. But usually, a person who is attending their first tournament is not coming to BE competitive, or have a chance to win.

 

[Lucario EX]

It depends on the level of competition, and the skill level of the players.
If someone attached a grass energy instead of a fire energy at league, I would let them take it back no matter what.
If someone attached a grass energy instead of a fire energy at a medium-competitive tournament, I probably would if they immediately asked to take it back.
If an experienced player attached a grass energy instead of a fire energy at Nationals(which wouldn't be likely to happen anyway), I probably wouldn't, unless they had very obviously just grabbed the wrong card.