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What you looked up would be mostly psudo-science and supernatural material that's never been subjected to proper academic analysis. NDE's are reasonably well understood by medical science, even if all the mechanisms aren't entirely explained as of yet. They know it well enough that they've been able to artificially induce them in labs with people who were otherwise healthy. They're essentially caused by the neurobiological effects of the stress the body and brain are under, with the brain being unable to properly interpret the signals it's getting as the body starts shutting down. Essentially, they're highly lucid hallucinations by a brain trying its best to stay alive and prevent its own degradation for as long as possible.
ok, ok.
well, what about the memory banks then?
also another near death experience i read about, was a man who 'was dead' and brought to a hospital, to a room and was lain on a low bed. After he was revived until revived, he claimed he was floating and being pulled away, and accurately described the items on the table that were too high for him to have seen among the rest of the room. Just saying that we shouldn't forget about the strange encounters, is all.
Ok, so someone SAID that it happened. Still doesn't make it true.
The same point I've been making for science/religion/god. Just because someone says one of these is a fact, that it happened, or that it exist, it doesn't exactly mean that's the truth. You're only believing them out of faith.
I don't even know what you mean by memory banks. Memory resides in the brain, there are no separate "memory banks". Your comment that "the brain obviously isn't working" isn't correct either. Unless there's some kind of sudden brain trauma, the brain is most certainly still working, even as you're being declared clinically dead. It's just not working properly, and/or unable to get the body to respond to its commands.
Seriously, you can wiki this. You're making a common layperson mistake of confusing clinical death (which is defined as the cessation of blood circulation and breathing) with actual death (the complete termination of all physical activity including brain function).
@Archiac:
Different sections, of the mind can work at different times. I may be calling it by the wrong name, but the area where memory is stored shuts down the input field when 'dead' (and in sleep, so even dreams "shouldn't" be remembered. but thats off topic) And I'm not an expert, ^^; haha so I shall try to find a link with more info. (it's been about a year since, but no matter).
Different sections, of the mind can work at different times. I may be calling it by the wrong name, but the area where memory is stored shuts down the input field when 'dead' (and in sleep, so even dreams "shouldn't" be remembered. but thats off topic) And I'm not an expert, ^^; haha so I shall try to find a link with more info. (it's been about a year since, but no matter).
toxictaipan
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Saw this online and thought I oughtta share it.
"In her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.
1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your adoring fan,
James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus, Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia
(It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a Canadian
"
Any rebuttals?
"In her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.
1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your adoring fan,
James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus, Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia
(It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a Canadian
"Any rebuttals?
toxictaipan
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AyameHikaru
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I think the main point there is that some sections of the Bible are considered outdated now. Society changes, and religion didn't stay strong enough to continue everyone in ALL their beliefs, to the point where now it seems silly to follow it. The question that leads to is does God keep up on modern times, or am I going to hell for trimming my hair?
Box of Fail
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I saw that online too. Genius.
Sir Bidoof
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Whoa- now I wish I had a daughter; I could use some money.
Good Lord
Has summer really been that boring for u weavile???:nonono:
the old stand by has always been why would a merciful god allow these things to happen, have u heard of free will??? he gave us that one and we hung ourselves with it, and the natural need for things to happen as they do, otherwise we'd all be sitting under an apple tree pondering the wonders that he has given us all 100,000,000,000 of us, worlds and the new season are not that far away and by the way what proof do you have that he does not exist???
and toxictaipan 's contribution is pure gold it is the comments of a truely educated man and his opinion and Dr. Laura does not have much on the ball anyways, she had that one a comin
and the DarthPika has had the best grab on this so far are ya'll takin notes, but watch it he did have post 666
and you forced my old arse outta the mothballs to sally forth once again, naive children same sex marriages, now the almighty himself
treat your children well, they don't know heLLLLL
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Plankton didn't work try vertebrates, hmm still not right how bout amphibians???? nope lets try lizards, now bigger ones, hmm not developing as planned, time for Texas sized piece of rock to try again, all trial and error my friends he was a hopin this one would work out
the bible is basically a history of humanity and thats mass or menos 50,000 years
science and religion can coexist, faith can be a great and comforting thing, so you say tamato I say Tomaaatoe
I just love it when kids barely wet behind the ears attempt phylosophy, swing and a miss, they call it a leap of faith for a reason,, hope ya like it warm cause where you will end up there's no ice water!!!!!!
Has summer really been that boring for u weavile???:nonono:
the old stand by has always been why would a merciful god allow these things to happen, have u heard of free will???
he gave us that one and we hung ourselves with it, and the natural need for things to happen as they do, otherwise we'd all be sitting under an apple tree pondering the wonders that he has given us all 100,000,000,000 of us, worlds and the new season are not that far away and by the way what proof do you have that he does not exist???and toxictaipan 's contribution is pure gold it is the comments of a truely educated man and his opinion and Dr. Laura does not have much on the ball anyways, she had that one a comin
and the DarthPika has had the best grab on this so far are ya'll takin notes, but watch it he did have post 666
and you forced my old arse outta the mothballs to sally forth once again, naive children same sex marriages, now the almighty himself
treat your children well, they don't know heLLLLL
---------- Post added 07/15/2010 at 11:38 AM ----------
Plankton didn't work try vertebrates, hmm still not right how bout amphibians???? nope lets try lizards, now bigger ones, hmm not developing as planned, time for Texas sized piece of rock to try again, all trial and error my friends he was a hopin this one would work out
the bible is basically a history of humanity and thats mass or menos 50,000 years
science and religion can coexist, faith can be a great and comforting thing, so you say tamato I say Tomaaatoe
I just love it when kids barely wet behind the ears attempt phylosophy, swing and a miss, they call it a leap of faith for a reason,, hope ya like it warm cause where you will end up there's no ice water!!!!!!
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DarthPika
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ROFL! I wasn't even thinking of that when I posted it. Good catch.
I agree 100%. I don't see why so many people insist that they don't mix.
I agree. I find nothing more annoying than someone who refuses to believe anything. Seriously, even though I'm a Christan, I can completely understand why people don't believe in God. However, trying to give all these philosophical arguments about how modern science is flawed is just silly.
God created the heavens and earth, a gentleman with many fingers in many pies and ET is real, phone home baby wanna see that in my lifetime although the pics from China were interesting
and you can argue if you want Pika, but where's that award winning avatar???
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So like, you would never believe that modern science is flawed, or understand how someone could believe that? Doesn't that sorta contradict what you just said?
DarthPika
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Not in the least. There are no cold hard facts that there is a God out there. This is something that must be taken on faith. There might be a lot of evidence for a God, however, unlike something in science where I can show you physical proof of its existance, the same can not be done with God.
On the other hand, there are plenty of facts, and loads of data to support modern science. This isn't about faith, it's about simply drawing the best conclusions possible from all the data you have in front of you. The very foundations of science are founded in indisputable facts, and you would be an idiot to argue otherwise.
I'm not saying that there aren't flaws in it. We keep trying to get rid of such flaws. However, this still isn't basis for any form of argument that the whole system is bad, and that none of it is to be trusted.
On the other hand, there are plenty of facts, and loads of data to support modern science. This isn't about faith, it's about simply drawing the best conclusions possible from all the data you have in front of you. The very foundations of science are founded in indisputable facts, and you would be an idiot to argue otherwise.
I'm not saying that there aren't flaws in it. We keep trying to get rid of such flaws. However, this still isn't basis for any form of argument that the whole system is bad, and that none of it is to be trusted.
P_A
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Oh I'm sure that even scientists believe that science is flawed in some way or another - that there's something that just can't be explained. Take for instance something as simple as water. Perhaps they've explained it by now, but for the longest time people were baffled by how when any normal liquid got to it's freezing mark, the frozen particles got more dense and sank in the liquid, whereas water ice crystals always expanded and floated to the top. Is that an amazing coincidence, or an amazing design to make sure the fish aren't fish-popsicles when we get them from the sea?
So let's face it, science, though rooted in observable facts, does not always produce the answers that mankind seeks. Perhaps that has something to do with why people turn to God for answers to the unexplained. That doesn't make Science wrong, nor does it invalidate belief in God. You have to find the answer that's right, and right for you as well. Science and belief are not mutually excluding.
So let's face it, science, though rooted in observable facts, does not always produce the answers that mankind seeks. Perhaps that has something to do with why people turn to God for answers to the unexplained. That doesn't make Science wrong, nor does it invalidate belief in God. You have to find the answer that's right, and right for you as well. Science and belief are not mutually excluding.
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DarthPika
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I agree with you PA. I was more or less arguing with BoxofFail who claims that ALL science is flawed, therefore, any conclusions we draw from it are flawed, therefore, science being no better than religion in the sense that it's something that must be taken on faith. This is wrong, as science is not something that must be taken just on faith. While it may not to be able to explain everything as well as we would like, it does give us a very good understanding on how the world works.
Religion on the other hand, is something that pretty much must be taken on pure faith. There is evidence, but as I said before, no cold hard indisputable facts. This is what separates it from science, and is the concept that BoxofFail and MatPL can't seem to comprehend.
Religion on the other hand, is something that pretty much must be taken on pure faith. There is evidence, but as I said before, no cold hard indisputable facts. This is what separates it from science, and is the concept that BoxofFail and MatPL can't seem to comprehend.
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