Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Is Vire Fb Lvx Under Rated????

I really like Electivire FB/Lv.X.

Dump and Draw is very situational, but in the right situations, could be a very decent early draw, especially if you can't get to any Uxies or get claydol out. Also, it sets up for a turn 2 Energy Recycle, which isn't that bad on turn 2 (unless your opponent is fully setup on turn 2). If they attack your Electivire, just poke-turn it.

I like Electric Current. 40 for 2 isn't that fantastic, but it moves an energy to the bench, which is a form of energy acceleration. If Electivire is taken out the next turn, you will only be loosing 1 energy (w/ energy gain).

Powerful Spark is a great attack in my opinion. 30 base +10 for every energy you have in play. This compliments Electivire FB Lv.X's Energy Recycle poke-power if you get it off early. It seems that many SP decks run a low amount of energy, so this may not be as splashable in random SP decks, but I think a deck running more energy would get great damage out of Powerful Spark. Just using the attack, it is 50 base (w/ energy gain).

There are a few problems with being weak to fighting, Mankey SV/Machamp SF, but you can run Sunyshore Stadium to remove your fighting weakness.

I feel Electivire FB Lv.X is #2 best lv.X in the set (my opinion) with Absol close behind and Blaziken in front.
 
And there's the issue of Power Spray ending your turn if you attempt Vire X. That is why the card isn't hyped up a lot - it has a huge downfall.
Now if you can somehow bait out Power Sprays, then it shouldn't be as bad. I like the card as well but due to this downfall, I can't seem to make it work properly.
 
This card would be a near-staple if its power didn't end your turn.

But it does.

So its not that good. like 5/10 cause of power spray.
 
why do people assume that every single opponent will be running power spray?

It's not like there aren't decks like Gengar, Machamp, Flygon, Kingdra, Beedrill, and other non-SP decks in the format.

Why even run Uxie if your opponent is OBVIOUSLY going to just power spray it and make it a useless card on the bench? /sarcasm
 
What is funny with Electivire FB Lv.x is : what will your opponent do if you have him and Claydol ?
It's important to cancel Cosmik Power. It's important to cancel Energy Recycle too. So, what will you do against that ? keep one power spray against Electivire when the Claydol uses his power, and the player will use claydol unless there is 2 power spray in hand, or will you cancel claydol and you will have no power spray against Electivire.
Everyone tells that you must keep a spray against Electivire, so you will be locked only 3 times. 3 times means 2 claydol and 1 uxie, or something else (one claydol, one discard power, one uxie), you are quickly free to draw every turn.
So, you can try a deck with him.

He will be most popular when PT : Arceus will give more non-sp deck, so then less place to sp deck with power spray.
 
Prime said:
Why even run Uxie if your opponent is OBVIOUSLY going to just power spray it and make it a useless card on the bench? /sarcasm
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lol i know you were being sarcastic but Uxie doesnt end your turn if power sprayed plus he can shuffle himself an damage for one colorless energy etc etc/ i'm also being sarcastic.

But seriously, anything that ends your turn in this meta is terrible. Everything is too fast paced now. There are plenty of cards in this format that need less set-up to start doing KO's every turn.
 
How is ANY card in SV underrated??

The set hasn't even seen tournament play yet.

At this point, nothing is under or overrated.

Personally, I would be fearful if I saw my opponent drop ElecX and he has energy in the discard.
 
Prime said:
I really like Electivire FB/Lv.X.

Dump and Draw is very situational, but in the right situations, could be a very decent early draw, especially if you can't get to any Uxies or get claydol out. Also, it sets up for a turn 2 Energy Recycle, which isn't that bad on turn 2 (unless your opponent is fully setup on turn 2). If they attack your Electivire, just poke-turn it.

I like Electric Current. 40 for 2 isn't that fantastic, but it moves an energy to the bench, which is a form of energy acceleration. If Electivire is taken out the next turn, you will only be loosing 1 energy (w/ energy gain).

Powerful Spark is a great attack in my opinion. 30 base +10 for every energy you have in play. This compliments Electivire FB Lv.X's Energy Recycle poke-power if you get it off early. It seems that many SP decks run a low amount of energy, so this may not be as splashable in random SP decks, but I think a deck running more energy would get great damage out of Powerful Spark. Just using the attack, it is 50 base (w/ energy gain).

There are a few problems with being weak to fighting, Mankey SV/Machamp SF, but you can run Sunyshore Stadium to remove your fighting weakness.

I feel Electivire FB Lv.X is #2 best lv.X in the set (my opinion) with Absol close behind and Blaziken in front.
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Garchomp seems better than electivire- better attacks and power

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Rogue Archetype said:
How is ANY card in SV underrated??

The set hasn't even seen tournament play yet.

At this point, nothing is under or overrated.

Personally, I would be fearful if I saw my opponent drop ElecX and he has energy in the discard.
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I would, unless I was playing:

1. GeChamp or any machamp varient
2. Anything with Relicanth SV
3. Anything with Mankey
4. Flygon, in any form
5. GG or some kind of power locking deck

I can think of few decks I'd be playing around BRs and early CCs that don't have a definite answer for Electivire FB.

He seems so subpar. 3 for 30+ is so bad and hard to use early game, and for it to even do appropriate damage (for needing 3 energy I am expecting at least 90 damage average from an SP and some draw back). His power ends your turn, and what kind of decks will really benefit from giving away a turn, even for 3 energy?
 
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ryanvergel said:
He seems so subpar. 3 for 30+ is so bad and hard to use early game, and for it to even do appropriate damage (for needing 3 energy I am expecting at least 90 damage average from an SP and some draw back). His power ends your turn, and what kind of decks will really benefit from giving away a turn, even for 3 energy?
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Technically speaking, assuming Energy Gain you're looking at 50 for 2/60 for 3, and then theres the energy you can build up on, say, Rayquaza LA/other benched pokes. Assuming 3 energy and an Unown G on EVire and only 3 on the bench (Which isnt THAT hard to do, what with his power), there is 90 damage right there. Not a bad figure.

No, the whole problem is that turn ending. Its the same as Swampert Ex - that guy never got huge and I can't recall anything particulary threatening to him and him specifically back in his formats. Metanite? Flygon? Destiny? RaiEggs? Was there anything that was a SPECIFIC pain for him, much like Machamp/Power Spray are to Electivire?
 
Scipio said:
Technically speaking, assuming Energy Gain you're looking at 50 for 2/60 for 3, and then theres the energy you can build up on, say, Rayquaza LA/other benched pokes. Assuming 3 energy and an Unown G on EVire and only 3 on the bench (Which isnt THAT hard to do, what with his power), there is 90 damage right there. Not a bad figure.

No, the whole problem is that turn ending. Its the same as Swampert Ex - that guy never got huge and I can't recall anything particulary threatening to him and him specifically back in his formats. Metanite? Flygon? Destiny? RaiEggs? Was there anything that was a SPECIFIC pain for him, much like Machamp/Power Spray are to Electivire?
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With energy gain I can do 60 for 1 with Luxray or 80 for 1 with Blaziken, much more potent than a meager 50 for 2.
 
I agree that the "end turn" clause is the downfall of this card, it'd been much better if it was a "flip a coin - if heads..." or "search your discard, attach and then 2 dmg counters on elec fb x"

it'd be tech and near staple then.

I wouldn't say it's underrated, just not playable against some decks.

on a more fun note, I get to help a teammate fit ele fb x into his sw ele deck. yay me.
 
I like to think of the Power as a bit of an attack that you can use from the bench. So while you are going along with whatever you have been doing for most of the game, maybe with Luxray GL, when the time is right you can use that as a turn to recover some expended resources, sort of like using Rotom MD. Right now, I am thinking it can also be killer in deck with Magnezone SF-6 and Electivire SW. Those two together make a pair that really keep the energy out of the discard pile and on the field. So when you use the convenient Gyro Ball to get Electivire FB active for the next turn, you can level it up and just use its attack with all the energy already in play, no Power required from Electivire FB Lv.X.
 
An odd thing I encountered was the shere amount of people that wanted this card and wouldn't trade it for another card (one that, in my opinion, was over-hyped [not Absol]). No one who had one of these would trade for it; it was about as hard to get as Blaziken. Funny, since people claimed the card was terribad here. Keh.

This thing has a lot of potential, especially against SP decks that will try to Power Spray it. I wouldn't run 'Vire 'on its own' simply because of the fact that this would guarantee a loss against any SP deck. Rather, run it with cards that also accelerate energies, or other Electric Pokemon that can pick up the slack. An excellent example of a card that works well with this is Leafeon Level X, which lets you pull off what is called the "psych-out factor". The downside is that, if you're running a deck that uses a lot of powers in an attempt to thwart Power Spray's effectiveness, Gengar will devour you. D:
 
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ryanvergel said:
With energy gain I can do 60 for 1 with Luxray or 80 for 1 with Blaziken, much more potent than a meager 50 for 2.
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With either a 30 on one of your own pokes or 40 more damage conceded. Those are both annoying downfalls, whereas Electivire's attack doesn't have a downfall. In fact, I think it's one of the best SP attacks right now (When looking at solid damage, I mean Deafen is obviously better, to name one) if you can just maintain reasonable energy on the bench. With the amount of energy recycling available, that shouldn't be the hardest thing to do. (Electivire SW anyone?)
 
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With either a 30 on one of your own pokes or 40 more damage conceded. Those are both annoying downfalls, whereas Electivire's attack doesn't have a downfall. In fact, I think it's one of the best SP attacks right now (When looking at solid damage, I mean Deafen is obviously better, to name one) if you can just maintain reasonable energy on the bench. With the amount of energy recycling available, that shouldn't be the hardest thing to do. (Electivire SW anyone?)
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Id still rather be attacking with Dialga (non level X) that does 50 or 70 for 3, whereas Elec does 30+. Palkia also does 50 spread for 3, which usually adds up to more net damage than electivire.

The 30 to my own benched is usually negligible, because few decks play snipers, or I might be using Manectric. Hitting a crobat or uxie or claydol for 30 is usually not going to change the game at all.

Taking the extra 40 damage is hurtful, but that really doesn't matter if they have a weak response. They still have to do 70-80 damage to get that OHKO off, and if they dont you can poketurn and do another 1 for 80.

Electivire, for a level X attack is just plain weak. Dialga and Palkia both have stronger attacks for regular basics. Luxray and Blaziken have much better level X attacks, and his power is just inferior to both luxray's power, and palkia's power. This card is so bad.

I hope people play this card against me!
 
I was thinking using a 1-1 line in my Rayquaza C deck, but I didn't because of the fact that he skips my turn. Besides, Bronzong G/Manectric G work fine as well.
 
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