ApachePrime
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You can't order more than there are players attending your league. Also, for the first time ever, League Leaders are allowed to play in their own leagues to earn these promos too.
League Leaders and Ebay--Uxies
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WinkWinkNudgeNudge
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There are many hairs to split and potential excuses and even valid reasons why product could be available so soon after it was released. However, I think the best advice is not just to avoid impropriety but also avoid the appearance of impropriety.
uh, LL have ALWAYS been allowed to play in their own leagues, but they MUST make their LL role take priority over their 'player' role...
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butterfree67
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As A league leader, We just got our supplies on Monday, and won't get my portion of supplies until this saturday when we have our next league. I like the new rules, I also like they shortened the amount of stamps, but I find it will be hard to keep the kids from using hacked pokies for the VGC to get those skins
That assumes that we are not doing our homework on our end. Since we are indeed doing our homework, I have no problem with situations that look shady being brought to our attention.
butterfree67
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Hi guys, just got back from eBay. There ARE 5 DIFFERENT SELLERS WITH THESE SPECIAL PROMO CARDS. Want to report them? Check them out first? what is a good course of action to take.
If I buy a car radio from a car thief online and then report him to the police, will I get in trouble? Will I get to keep "my" radio?
ryanvergel
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How does making sure that an accuser has his or her facts straight assume that you are not doing your homework? That doesn't make any sense.
I told the person to make sure he/she checked their facts before making accusations that could potentially ruin someone's career.
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This is exactly what I was talking about. Why does someone selling a promo card warrant them "being reported"? They couldn't have traded people who won them? Maybe some guy was trading regular uxies for league uxies. maybe a few friends or roommates won a few uxies. Instead of jumping the gun and blindly accusing people, do some research. These are serious accusations.
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Biggie is saying that if TPCi is doing their homework and investigating all the cases of people selling league stuff online, that if someone is wrongfully accused, TPCi is already going to know the truth and the person won't get in trouble.
ryanvergel
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You think it won't be intrusive at all? It won't affect the accused at all? Not getting in trouble doesn't mean not affected though. Just the mere act of being accused of such a thing is negative, for eBay, for league, for anything. Having a doubt or suspicion cast upon you can negatively affect a relationship or situation forever.
They're already going to know the truth? Then why bother bringing possibly shady situations to them at all?
Having a false accusation cast upon a person can only affect the person if people believe it, if people even find out.
If someone reports me as selling league stuff, only that person, myself, and TPCi will know about it. For everyone else, my reputation is not smudged. Once TPCi 'does their homework' and finds out that I don't even run the pokemon league in my area, all accusations will be dropped and no harm will have been done.
Negatively affect a relationship? You mean between the person and TPCi? If the person is cleared of all accusations, I don't see how they can negatively affect their relationship with TPCi. If the person is doing something against the rules other than what they are accused for, and TPCi finds out while investigating a false claim, then the person deserves to get in trouble or have their relationship with TPCi tarnished.
The relationship between the person and their peers? How will their peers know about the situation? Are you saying that TPCi would temporarilly punish people while investigating an accusation? I don't think they would.
The relationship between the person and eBay? Are you saying that TPCi would force eBay to remove the person's eBay priviliages while the person is under investigation? I guess this could be possible.
I understand what you're saying, but I feel that if a person doesn't have something to hide, they shouldn't worry about being falsly accused.
If someone reports me as selling league stuff, only that person, myself, and TPCi will know about it. For everyone else, my reputation is not smudged. Once TPCi 'does their homework' and finds out that I don't even run the pokemon league in my area, all accusations will be dropped and no harm will have been done.
Negatively affect a relationship? You mean between the person and TPCi? If the person is cleared of all accusations, I don't see how they can negatively affect their relationship with TPCi. If the person is doing something against the rules other than what they are accused for, and TPCi finds out while investigating a false claim, then the person deserves to get in trouble or have their relationship with TPCi tarnished.
The relationship between the person and their peers? How will their peers know about the situation? Are you saying that TPCi would temporarilly punish people while investigating an accusation? I don't think they would.
The relationship between the person and eBay? Are you saying that TPCi would force eBay to remove the person's eBay priviliages while the person is under investigation? I guess this could be possible.
I understand what you're saying, but I feel that if a person doesn't have something to hide, they shouldn't worry about being falsly accused.
ryanvergel
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This has the tendency to turn into a witchhunt, especially with posts like this:
I was just suggesting that people check their facts before making blind accusations. Even if TPCi will do investigations, I don't think that changes the benefit of the accuser checking his or her facts straight.
Maybe you'll argue that it doesn't matter if the accuser gets his or her facts straight, because TPCi will just investigate, but just being false accused of something is A BAD THING. Wasting the time of TPCi is a BAD THING.
Am I saying not to "tell on people"? Not at all. I just made a suggestion that people check their facts before doing so, and that suggestion, somehow, was not met with receptive ears for some reason. You guys don't like the idea of an accuser checking their facts before making bold accusations with serious repercussions?
I was just suggesting that people check their facts before making blind accusations. Even if TPCi will do investigations, I don't think that changes the benefit of the accuser checking his or her facts straight.
Maybe you'll argue that it doesn't matter if the accuser gets his or her facts straight, because TPCi will just investigate, but just being false accused of something is A BAD THING. Wasting the time of TPCi is a BAD THING.
Am I saying not to "tell on people"? Not at all. I just made a suggestion that people check their facts before doing so, and that suggestion, somehow, was not met with receptive ears for some reason. You guys don't like the idea of an accuser checking their facts before making bold accusations with serious repercussions?
ryanvergel
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1. Check the dates of their posting. Are they logical to warrant an accusation? A posting the day before their release is shady. A posting a week after is not.
2. Check the number of stocked items. Check his other listings, are there 20 lots of 1 uxie, or 1 lot of 20 Uxies (more obvious), or is there just 2-3 Uxies up?
3. Look at the name- is it a major collector/trader/company? There is a difference in joeschmoe89 with 10 references selling 7 Uxie promos and GatheringGrounds or insetbignameortrader or someone doing it. I can see someone like (a big trader from FL) trading for the Uxies at a BR he goes to and then selling like 5 or more on eBay while they are still hot and because they aren't available internationally.
Simple stuff like that. I'm not suggesting doing some intense investigation- but make sure you actually have a a legitimate concern. Selling an Uxie, even on the day of its release, is not suspicious to me. That is exactly what I would do, in fact. If I went to league, played the whole time and got an Uxie, I'd sell it immediately- knowing it would be extremely valuable, as it was few of its kind being in possession at its time- I would make a LOT more money, somtimes double the value it eventually plateaus at. Selling multiple Uxies with few references on the day of its release might be suspicious. Selling league supplies on eBay might be suspicious. See the difference? That's all I was suggesting.
I would definitely take offense to a superior asking me drilling questions about what I did with product, or if I traded, or asking people in my league or store or whatever. I can definitely see this AFFECTING relationships. I was just making a simple suggestion: check your facts before you make an accusation with serious consequences.
I don't understand what's so disagreeable about that statement, when we would apply it to every other scenario involving "accusations with serious consequences".
IMO It is like an innocent person denying a polygraph test. Take the test and pass it. If anything it helped you because there is now ZERO doubt. You, yourself are not doing anything shady possibly.... but we know for a fact that there was some shady stuff out there.
Ever heard of the old saying. ' One person ruins it for everyone?'
Well that 1,2,3, or 4 people are ruining it for you. Assuming your innocent of something your debating highly.
It is what it is.
Ever heard of the old saying. ' One person ruins it for everyone?'
Well that 1,2,3, or 4 people are ruining it for you. Assuming your innocent of something your debating highly.
It is what it is.
ryanvergel
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Okay guys, don't check your facts before you make accusations. Does that sound better? More agreeable?
Officer, I just bought this stolen merchandise go arrest him. Yea its wrong
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Ryan what you said was fine, the way he wrote it, sounded more like a hunch and not that he had all the info.
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As a criminal defense att'y, I would recommend ag'st a polygraph test. You dont have to give evidence ag'st yourself. The biggest tactic cops use is take the polygraph and if you pass, all will be good. Then, they tell you that you failed, to see your reaction. Doesnt matter if you passed or not. Too subjective IMO. Plus, even if they show you the squiggly lines, you wouldnt know how to read it anyway. You have the trust the people who have asked you to take a test bc they dont believe you in the 1st place. Hmmmmm.
Keith