Legendary Treasures

[mahius]

I'm more excited about Shiny Collection since those arts are AMAZING! The EBB arts are also very cool though, generally better than most of the arts we've got in English sets so far. The art on them is so unique and I love how they have several cards revolving around the same scene but from different perspectives. To hell with complaining about reprints when the art on the cards are so good. I hope future card arts are this good.

Been doing a bit of research on the Japanese equivalent of this sets and it seems both EX Battle Boost and Shiny Collection had increased pull rates. EBB had 5 EX per box of 20 packs while Shiny Collection had 3 EX and 3 Full art per box of 15 boosters, of course with Meloetta being the only EX, that card is probably the most common EX out there, getting 3 per box. The odd thing though was that SC FA cards were all secret rares, so technically it had 3 SR per box, a bit inflated, but at least it was easy to collect the extended set. It's better than most sets though where even with the same number of Full Arts as EX the FA, you'd only have 1 or 2 per box AND they would be part of the set too. With the currently rarity of FA cards in English sets I do think they should all be secret rares, since it makes collecting the actual set much harder. It's the other side of the coin with SC, the SRs are so common they should be a part of the set instead of being secret rares. It would also help with the inflated amount of Meloetta EX.

My real pet peeve with this set though is that Radiant Collection will be a subset. It worked alright with the Arceus subset since there were only 9 cards and all of those cards had exactly the same rarity. Having a variety of rarity and secret rare cards in a fairly large subset is going to be a problem. First of all there's no guarantee that there will be a RC card in every booster pack of Legendary Treasures, even then pulling rares like Gardevoir will be difficult and it's going to be worse for Meloetta EX and the secret rares. I don't mind if they decide to remove all reverse holos from this set to give RC a place but even so the different rarities in the subset will be a problem. One solution might be to make every card in the RC subset the same rarity and then have equal pull rates for EVERY card in the set, but that would again inflate the amount of Meloetta EX and the secret rares. They've really dug themselves deep with this one.

This set is either going to be a very good set or a very bad one depending on what they've decided to do. My solution would be to replace the 5th common with a RC card and then sort the rarity so that you can complete the extended RC set with 2-3 Legendary Collection booster boxes. Cases will still be a good buy and people won't feel cheated with a single booster box. I'm really looking forward to set and If I do invest in it then I intend to get at least a couple of boxes since this is a large set, however I will wait for pre-release to see whether this will be worth the effort. If they intend to milk us for money so they can sell more booster boxes then I will have nothing to do with this. And yes I know a different group does the cards and stuff for us in the west but what's to stop them from just giving us exactly the SAME same sets that the Japanese get. I'm sick of getting the dog end of the stick, but I'm somewhat grateful that we at least get this set. I'm trying to look on the bright side of the coin here but it ain't making it easy for me.

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Legendary Treasures itself is looking to be a good set if they only have the 2 gold cards as secret rares since we won't understand those Japanese trainers if they bought them out in English. I'm wondering whether the XY starter decks will have LT cards in them. If so then I might buy the Fennekin one or all 3. Of course the card I'm most looking forward to is the Charmander line. They'll be the first base set starter cards I'll have gotten for ages and the artwork on the Charizard makes me explode with excitement.

 

[signofzeta]

Legendary Treasures itself is looking to be a good set if they only have the 2 gold cards as secret rares since we won't understand those Japanese trainers if they bought them out in English. I'm wondering whether the XY starter decks will have LT cards in them. If so then I might buy the Fennekin one or all 3. Of course the card I'm most looking forward to is the Charmander line. They'll be the first base set starter cards I'll have gotten for ages and the artwork on the Charizard makes me explode with excitement.

Whatever the XY starter sets will be, I hope they do not have their own expansion symbols, but are cards taken from the February 2014 set, and the Black and White Legendary Treasures combined. The Chespin, Fennekin, and Froakie lines would of course be taken from the Japan's XY beginning set, but the cards in turn would be imported to the February 2014 set, which in turn is taken as preview cards and placed in the XY starter sets.

This is what I don't hope for is that the XY kalos starter set is not 100% taken from Japan's XY beginning set, because if it was, the decks would suck more than current theme decks. What would you buy, a theme deck with 5 rarers and no booster for $11.99, or a xy starter set with 2 rares, which are the same, for $14.99?

 

[PokemonTrader]

Like I posted on facebook, I believe the Radiant Collection will be like SH or Rotoms, where they are hidden among the packs.

 

[AnUnown]

Legendary Treasures itself is looking to be a good set if they only have the 2 gold cards as secret rares since we won't understand those Japanese trainers if they bought them out in English.

Don't forget FA Shadow Triad

 

[Frost]

Again, that card was a hoax. Not real.

 

[mahius]

Whatever the XY starter sets will be, I hope they do not have their own expansion symbols, but are cards taken from the February 2014 set, and the Black and White Legendary Treasures combined. The Chespin, Fennekin, and Froakie lines would of course be taken from the Japan's XY beginning set, but the cards in turn would be imported to the February 2014 set, which in turn is taken as preview cards and placed in the XY starter sets.

This is what I don't hope for is that the XY kalos starter set is not 100% taken from Japan's XY beginning set, because if it was, the decks would suck more than current theme decks. What would you buy, a theme deck with 5 rarers and no booster for $11.99, or a xy starter set with 2 rares, which are the same, for $14.99?

I'm slightly confused here. How would getting cards from X&Y Collection (Japan's XY beginning set) be bad for the starter decks? I'm pretty sure they won't have so few rares. Keep in mind that the X and Y videogames will be out when these products are released so I don't see any reason why we can't get more XY pokemon so we can have rares besides the stage 2 starter evolutions. I'd still buy a starter deck if its all XY preview cards though I'll probably just go for one and be angry about it if they do just have only 2 rares in the decks. Also I'm not sure how you managed to figure out that there may only be only 2 rares, the same in these starter decks. That wouldn't go down well at all, I'm sure they wouldn't be so cheap like that (having a ton of ultra rares in a set with very low pull rates would more likely be how they'd screw us). I'm inclined to think that these starter decks have LT cards in them since they are being released along side LT instead of theme decks. I'd prefer theme decks though instead of just getting a few XY cards, since it feels like the starter lines will be the only non LT cards in those decks. They could have been more patient and released these starter decks later, like in December to keep us happy while we wait for our first XY set. I would prefer theme decks instead of getting a mix of cards we have and those we will have to wait for to get more.

It feels like I've gone a bit off-topic here, sorry if I have but these products are pretty much LT things due to the release date and all.

Don't forget FA Shadow Triad

Sorry buddy Shadow Triad is a fake and even if it were real it would just be a normal full art trainer like all of the fa trainers we've had so far, it wouldn't be a secret rare.
To clarify secret rares are cards that are beyond the set, the set number of those cards is larger than the number of cards in the set itself. E.g. 105/103. Recently secret rares have been pretty damn cool. Since boundaries crossed secret rares have had a gold border and I was very excited to pull a Shiny Virizion SR from Plasma Blast. It really helps to identify secret rare cards so it's a great idea. Looks like they've taken the gold on the cards to the next level with these full gold Zekrom and Reshiram! Anyhow I was fooled into thinking FA Shadow Triad would be in Plasma Blast before realizing it wasn't real. I really don't like sets having excessive amounts of secret rares, even though I don't collect them. Just 1 or 2 would be fine for each set.

I'm still waiting to find out what the second triple pack blister promo and the checklane holo will be. I really like those cards. I'd wish they would do more box sets like the 2011 Legendary Gift Boxes though since they have a good amount of boosters with the respective holo. I wonder how many promo cards we'll have left to get after this and what products they will be in.

 

[AnUnown]

Sorry buddy Shadow Triad is a fake and even if it were real it would just be a normal full art trainer like all of the fa trainers we've had so far, it wouldn't be a secret rare.
To clarify secret rares are cards that are beyond the set, the set number of those cards is larger than the number of cards in the set itself. E.g. 105/103. Recently secret rares have been pretty damn cool. Since boundaries crossed secret rares have had a gold border and I was very excited to pull a Shiny Virizion SR from Plasma Blast. It really helps to identify secret rare cards so it's a great idea. Looks like they've taken the gold on the cards to the next level with these full gold Zekrom and Reshiram! Anyhow I was fooled into thinking FA Shadow Triad would be in Plasma Blast before realizing it wasn't real. I really don't like sets having excessive amounts of secret rares, even though I don't collect them. Just 1 or 2 would be fine for each set.

I know what SR cards are, I simply didn't know the one that was billed as a SR in EBB was fake.

 

[signofzeta]

I'm slightly confused here. How would getting cards from X&Y Collection (Japan's XY beginning set) be bad for the starter decks? I'm pretty sure they won't have so few rares. Keep in mind that the X and Y videogames will be out when these products are released so I don't see any reason why we can't get more XY pokemon so we can have rares besides the stage 2 starter evolutions. I'd still buy a starter deck if its all XY preview cards though I'll probably just go for one and be angry about it if they do just have only 2 rares in the decks. Also I'm not sure how you managed to figure out that there may only be only 2 rares, the same in these starter decks. That wouldn't go down well at all, I'm sure they wouldn't be so cheap like that (having a ton of ultra rares in a set with very low pull rates would more likely be how they'd screw us). I'm inclined to think that these starter decks have LT cards in them since they are being released along side LT instead of theme decks. I'd prefer theme decks though instead of just getting a few XY cards, since it feels like the starter lines will be the only non LT cards in those decks. They could have been more patient and released these starter decks later, like in December to keep us happy while we wait for our first XY set. I would prefer theme decks instead of getting a mix of cards we have and those we will have to wait for to get more.

It feels like I've gone a bit off-topic here, sorry if I have but these products are pretty much LT things due to the release date and all.

I am basing assumptions that the XY beginning set will have similar contents to the BW beginning sets. The beginning sets are three 30 card decks. Kalos starter sets are 60 card decks, so how can anyone take a 30 card deck and turn it into a 60 card deck? Hence why the Kalos starter set isn't 100% from the XY beginning set, or to put it simply, it isn't a one for one translation. If it was, here is some speculated guesses that I have read. Just double the 30 card deck from the XY beginning set to become the 60 card kalos starter set. Now if my assumption that the XY beginning set will have similar content to the BW beginning set is true, then here would be the "BW Unova starter set" snivy decklist.

4 Snivy common
4 Servine uncommon
2 Serperior rare
2 Maractus uncommon
2 Panpour common
2 Timburr common
4 Sandile common
2 Krokorok uncommon
2 Patrat common
2 Potion common
2 Super Scoop up uncommon
2 Switch uncommon
2 Pokedex uncommon
4 Pokeball uncommon
12 Grass energy
12 Fighting energy

The rarities is based off of what the equivalent card it is in the black and white and emerging powers sets.

Assuming that TPC probably won't change the deckbuilding formula between BW beginning set and XY beginning set, the Chespin XY starter set will have a similar make up. As you can see, the only 2 rares would be the final evolution of Chespin x2.

The MSRP from the sell sheet is $14.99, $3 higher than the MSRP of the $11.99 theme decks. If these decklists made it through, it should cost -$5 from the MSRP of theme decks, making them $6.99, because doubling the XY beginning sets decklists would be a piece of junk. Hence whey there would be cards both from the XY beginning sets, and the BW Legendary treasures sets.

I also stated that the XY kalos starter sets shouldn't have their own expansion symbols, but take cards from other sets. The 2 player trainer kits have cards from their own expansion symbols, but the theme decks and world champ decks take cards from their respective sets. 50% give or take, can be taken from the February 2014 set, and the remaining cards would be taken from BW legendary treasures, because we don't have theme decks for that set, and as such, these should be the theme deck replacement for BW legendary treasures. Because they are theme deck replacements, I expect them to build them like theme decks, and not like pieces of junk by doubling the XY beginning sets. Also because some are taken from the February 2014 set, the XY specific cards are preview cards from the February 2014 set, rather than being card exclusive to the deck.

I'd be very unhappy if these didn't have the same make up as theme decks, including all the knick knacks that come with it, and the number of rares too. I hope that the rares are 2x final evolution of starter, and 3 other rares from BW legendary treasures. The deck better be made up of only cards from the February 2014 set, and BW legendary treasures.

In 2007, they released a set of 3 epic collection decks that contained Meganium ex, Feraligatr ex, or Typhlosion ex as the cover card, and those 3 decks never replaced any of the theme decks in that year, so I wonder why they had to omit the theme decks for BW legendary treasures? Perhaps they know that they can't build a deck based solely on the XY beginning sets?

 

[SMP88]

In 2007, they released a set of 3 epic collection decks that contained Meganium ex, Feraligatr ex, or Typhlosion ex as the cover card, and those 3 decks never replaced any of the theme decks in that year, so I wonder why they had to omit the theme decks for BW legendary treasures? Perhaps they know that they can't build a deck based solely on the XY beginning sets?

They want to have something XY related released at the same time the game comes out. When we get XY in February it will have it's own theme deck.

 

[signofzeta]

They want to have something XY related released at the same time the game comes out. When we get XY in February it will have it's own theme deck.

They could, you know, release both BW legendary treasures theme decks and the XY kalos starter sets, but the reason why they didn't, is that the XY kalos starter sets are really the BW legendary treasures theme decks at its core with Chespin, Fennekin, and Froakie's evolutions added in, and perhaps some other XY cards as well. You can put one XY specific pokemon line in there, and it would be an XY product. It isn't like Generation 6 games have only gen 6 specific pokemon in it, so it would still make sense for an XY product to only have 10% XY cards and 90% BW cards, because kids couldn't even tell the difference anyway.

In early 2011, we had the sneak peak tins. The tins are from the Black and White series, but the only cards that are Black and White are the promo card and the 5 card preview pack, so I would expect the same for the XY kalos starter sets, only having the starter evolution line and one other evolution line from the XY series, and those cards would be reprinted again in the February 2014 set, and the remainder of the deck would come from BW legendary treasures.

It would mean that we will first see the February 2014 expansion symbol in the Kalos starter sets.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the XY specific cards in these decks were black star promos.

 

[rivershock]

I get the feeling these will be Trainer Kit-style sets of their own, but will likely either be almost entirely reprints (aside from the starter Pokemon), or be made up of cards from Exciting Battles, likely with some other reprints and possibly a couple of promos.

 

[Frost]

I'm hoping that one or more of the upcoming deck releases will include the Exciting Battle cards. I know I'm delusional, LOL. But TPCi has actually done a pretty good job during the BW era of bringing over a lot of stuff from Japan, and EEB not being translated would make those 42 cards probably the bulk of untranslated BW cards. The pre-made decks are almost always garbage in terms of playability and the Red Genesect and Kalo Starter decks are all special cases anyway, so it'd be cool if they put some exclusive (though not playable) cards in them.

 

[rivershock]

On that note, I actually expect the Red Genesect deck to be good. (As in better than Theme Deck quality.) I totally expect they'll try and sell the hell out of it. ;p

 

[mahius]

Like I posted on facebook, I believe the Radiant Collection will be like SH or Rotoms, where they are hidden among the packs.

Again those subsets were only a handful of cards and all of the same rarity. The problem with Radiant Collection is that its many times bigger than any previous subset and also that there are cards of different rarities. Simple hiding them among packs won't bode well.

I am basing assumptions that the XY beginning set will have similar contents to the BW beginning sets. The beginning sets are three 30 card decks. Kalos starter sets are 60 card decks, so how can anyone take a 30 card deck and turn it into a 60 card deck? Hence why the Kalos starter set isn't 100% from the XY beginning set, or to put it simply, it isn't a one for one translation. If it was, here is some speculated guesses that I have read. Just double the 30 card deck from the XY beginning set to become the 60 card kalos starter set.

Assuming that TPC probably won't change the deckbuilding formula between BW beginning set and XY beginning set, the Chespin XY starter set will have a similar make up. As you can see, the only 2 rares would be the final evolution of Chespin x2.

The MSRP from the sell sheet is $14.99, $3 higher than the MSRP of the $11.99 theme decks. If these decklists made it through, it should cost -$5 from the MSRP of theme decks, making them $6.99, because doubling the XY beginning sets decklists would be a piece of junk. Hence whey there would be cards both from the XY beginning sets, and the BW Legendary treasures sets.

I also stated that the XY kalos starter sets shouldn't have their own expansion symbols, but take cards from other sets. The 2 player trainer kits have cards from their own expansion symbols, but the theme decks and world champ decks take cards from their respective sets. 50% give or take, can be taken from the February 2014 set, and the remaining cards would be taken from BW legendary treasures, because we don't have theme decks for that set, and as such, these should be the theme deck replacement for BW legendary treasures. Because they are theme deck replacements, I expect them to build them like theme decks, and not like pieces of junk by doubling the XY beginning sets. Also because some are taken from the February 2014 set, the XY specific cards are preview cards from the February 2014 set, rather than being card exclusive to the deck.

I'd be very unhappy if these didn't have the same make up as theme decks, including all the knick knacks that come with it, and the number of rares too. I hope that the rares are 2x final evolution of starter, and 3 other rares from BW legendary treasures. The deck better be made up of only cards from the February 2014 set, and BW legendary treasures.

In 2007, they released a set of 3 epic collection decks that contained Meganium ex, Feraligatr ex, or Typhlosion ex as the cover card, and those 3 decks never replaced any of the theme decks in that year, so I wonder why they had to omit the theme decks for BW legendary treasures? Perhaps they know that they can't build a deck based solely on the XY beginning sets?

Okay, thank you for the explanation. I had no idea that they ever did half decks in the west. I'm not entirely confident that there will be cards from the february XY set though, probably just the starter line and the rest LT. If they can print a few cards from that set for decks in November there's no reason why they can't release XY card sets simultaneously for both Japan and the West. Otherwise it seems like the starter line might be the only XY cards in the decks. The pricing of the decks also begs the question why is it higher than that of theme deck. Probably because of the single booster pack included and since these decks will be released with Legendary Treasures, I must assume that the included booster will be a LT booster. It makes sense considering that the increase in price can be made up with a booster. As for the 2007 collection decks, I agree. If they can't make decks out of XY cards they they shouldn't rush in apparent XY decks to cash in with the release of the videogames. As I mentioned it would be better to wait until closer to the release of the February XY set before starting the push on XY merch. We aren't the only ones to think that they should be able to also release LT theme decks.

They could, you know, release both BW legendary treasures theme decks and the XY kalos starter sets, but the reason why they didn't, is that the XY kalos starter sets are really the BW legendary treasures theme decks at its core with Chespin, Fennekin, and Froakie's evolutions added in, and perhaps some other XY cards as well. You can put one XY specific pokemon line in there, and it would be an XY product. It isn't like Generation 6 games have only gen 6 specific pokemon in it, so it would still make sense for an XY product to only have 10% XY cards and 90% BW cards, because kids couldn't even tell the difference anyway.

In early 2011, we had the sneak peak tins. The tins are from the Black and White series, but the only cards that are Black and White are the promo card and the 5 card preview pack, so I would expect the same for the XY kalos starter sets, only having the starter evolution line and one other evolution line from the XY series, and those cards would be reprinted again in the February 2014 set, and the remainder of the deck would come from BW legendary treasures.

It would mean that we will first see the February 2014 expansion symbol in the Kalos starter sets.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the XY specific cards in these decks were black star promos.

Yep, again I agree. I would much prefer to at least have Legendary Treasures theme decks than these decks where 2 of the rares are replaced with a starter evolution. I'd take Charmander line over Fennekin line any day as its very unlike these decks will have more than one type of stage 2. LT is a big set so I don't see why they can't just make theme decks for it instead of this obvious cash-in (then I could have had my LT Charizard :frown. Again this supports my theory that the starter lines will be the only XY cards in these decks, they are just too eager to tie-in with the XY release to sell more XY merch and keep that train going. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say that the XY cards are more likely to be promos rather than February set cards. Once again if they did put in XY set cards into these decks then they should be able to release our XY set at the same time as Japan's, but since we've got to wait I doubt that these cards will be from that set.

On that note, I actually expect the Red Genesect deck to be good. (As in better than Theme Deck quality.) I totally expect they'll try and sell the hell out of it. ;p

I hope you are right there. It's even more expensive than the XY starter decks but that's likely because of the extras like the boosters and also since all of the cards are foil cards. I've preordered it but I'm leaving home a few days before release and so I won't be able to enjoy it until I get back maybe sometime around LT launch. The featured Red Genesect seems to be the equivalent of a japanese EBB promo so maybe the rest of the cards in that deck will be LT cards? Maybe even that Genesect could be a LT card? Since they will have Genesect EX in LT, I don't see why the can't have a regular Red Genesect in this set. It's more likely that its just a promo. Could all the other cards be promos too? I'd be disappointed if it were just cards from previous sets like PB, so I hope it'll have LT cards. Then it will have made up for the lack of proper LT theme decks IMO. Hopefully being released this late means there will be LT cards in there though I think I may be hoping for too much.

 

[signofzeta]

Again those subsets were only a handful of cards and all of the same rarity. The problem with Radiant Collection is that its many times bigger than any previous subset and also that there are cards of different rarities. Simple hiding them among packs won't bode well.



Okay, thank you for the explanation. I had no idea that they ever did half decks in the west. I'm not entirely confident that there will be cards from the february XY set though, probably just the starter line and the rest LT. If they can print a few cards from that set for decks in November there's no reason why they can't release XY card sets simultaneously for both Japan and the West. Otherwise it seems like the starter line might be the only XY cards in the decks. The pricing of the decks also begs the question why is it higher than that of theme deck. Probably because of the single booster pack included and since these decks will be released with Legendary Treasures, I must assume that the included booster will be a LT booster. It makes sense considering that the increase in price can be made up with a booster. As for the 2007 collection decks, I agree. If they can't make decks out of XY cards they they shouldn't rush in apparent XY decks to cash in with the release of the videogames. As I mentioned it would be better to wait until closer to the release of the February XY set before starting the push on XY merch. We aren't the only ones to think that they should be able to also release LT theme decks.



Yep, again I agree. I would much prefer to at least have Legendary Treasures theme decks than these decks where 2 of the rares are replaced with a starter evolution. I'd take Charmander line over Fennekin line any day as its very unlike these decks will have more than one type of stage 2. LT is a big set so I don't see why they can't just make theme decks for it instead of this obvious cash-in (then I could have had my LT Charizard :frown. Again this supports my theory that the starter lines will be the only XY cards in these decks, they are just too eager to tie-in with the XY release to sell more XY merch and keep that train going. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say that the XY cards are more likely to be promos rather than February set cards. Once again if they did put in XY set cards into these decks then they should be able to release our XY set at the same time as Japan's, but since we've got to wait I doubt that these cards will be from that set.



I hope you are right there. It's even more expensive than the XY starter decks but that's likely because of the extras like the boosters and also since all of the cards are foil cards. I've preordered it but I'm leaving home a few days before release and so I won't be able to enjoy it until I get back maybe sometime around LT launch. The featured Red Genesect seems to be the equivalent of a japanese EBB promo so maybe the rest of the cards in that deck will be LT cards? Maybe even that Genesect could be a LT card? Since they will have Genesect EX in LT, I don't see why the can't have a regular Red Genesect in this set. It's more likely that its just a promo. Could all the other cards be promos too? I'd be disappointed if it were just cards from previous sets like PB, so I hope it'll have LT cards. Then it will have made up for the lack of proper LT theme decks IMO. Hopefully being released this late means there will be LT cards in there though I think I may be hoping for too much.

Just saying, the HS Undaunted, HS Triumphant, and Call of Legends boosters each included 1 booster, and costs $12.99 MSRP.

When I say some cards come from the set in February 2014. Here's the deal. These XY cards in the Kalos starter sets come from the XY beginning sets. To put it longer. These XY cards in the Kalos starter sets come from the international February 2014 set, which in turn comes from the XY beginning sets. The February 2014 sets then will be consisted of Collection X, Collection Y, and the XY beginning sets, so the XY cards within the Kalos starter decks are technically close to being simultaneously released, but will get an official release come February 2014, if you know what I mean?

I just think the $14.99 price tag is a money grab because it is the only XY product out there after the XY Video Game release.

 

[Zarmakuizz]

I am basing assumptions that the XY beginning set will have similar contents to the BW beginning sets. The beginning sets are three 30 card decks. Kalos starter sets are 60 card decks, so how can anyone take a 30 card deck and turn it into a 60 card deck?

Easy. The Japanese 30 cards deck have all the cards in x2 max (except for basic energies). Double the count and you have your 60 cards deck.

 

[signofzeta]

Easy. The Japanese 30 cards deck have all the cards in x2 max (except for basic energies). Double the count and you have your 60 cards deck.

Didn't you read the rest of what I posted?

If you like being ripped off, then be my guest.

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Here is another thing I request. Because the Kalos starter sets are supposedly be substitutes for the BW Legendary Treasures theme decks, and I did request that these are to be built like theme decks, as such, when you take these decks and go against a theme deck from another set, they should be evenly matched.

 

[Frost]

Well, the Exciting Battles cards would be perfect for padding out the Kalos Starter Decks if that's true that they're half decks. There's five Pokemon for each type in it, and some of them are Legendaries and stuff to appeal to kids even more.

Maybe even that Genesect could be a LT card? Since they will have Genesect EX in LT, I don't see why the can't have a regular Red Genesect in this set.

There isn't room in Legendary Treasures for it. It's very likely going to be Battle Boost + Mewtwo/Genesect Battle Decks with Shiny Collection. The numbering lines up perfectly and everything.

 

[mahius]

Well, the Exciting Battles cards would be perfect for padding out the Kalos Starter Decks if that's true that they're half decks. There's five Pokemon for each type in it, and some of them are Legendaries and stuff to appeal to kids even more.

Those decks have been stated to be 60 card decks, otherwise the price would be too much of a ripoff. It doesn't look like we'll get EEB anytime soon but theoretically they could add in EEB cards o those decks as well as XY and LT cards. I doubt it though.

There isn't room in Legendary Treasures for it. It's very likely going to be Battle Boost + Mewtwo/Genesect Battle Decks with Shiny Collection. The numbering lines up perfectly and everything.

Yeah I know that LT is made up from those Japanese counterparts. But other than the numbering lining up perfectly there's nothing to suggest that we won't get Japanese promos in LT too. Normal Genesect and Porygon-Z from PB were actually not in the Japanese set Megalo Cannon and were promos. That said though, MC was a set too small for the western market so I guess they looked towards promos for fillers. Red Genesect is also just one card so I don't see why it can't be in

On the other hand, I've just looked back a page and the speculated set list seems solid. Thinking about it now Red Genesect will likely be a western promo card since there doesn't seem to be any room in the set for more promos. Now there's the rest of the cards in that deck. Will they all be promos too? Or will they be from LT? I really hope they aren't cards from previous sets though that seems like the most likely option. We got the deck lists for PB theme decks before that set was released but I'm wondering why we haven't got anything for the Red Genesect deck yet as it's first released next week. If we get early deck lists for the Kalos Decks it'll be at least a month from now at the end of October. Hopefully it is built like a theme deck to be close to being worth the extra cost.

Earlier I didn't really care for the XY starter decks since they will be XY merch released before all the rest of the XY cards and I assumed the starter line would be the only XY cards in those. But since I realized that we were getting these instead of LT theme decks it piqued my interests to what the contents of these decks would be, since I enjoy buying the Theme Decks for sets even if I'm not collecting the set (whether LT is one I'll collect, it depends on my opinion of the set).

Anyhow does anyone have any ideas as to when LT pre-releases will be if they have them? I assume some time during October at the very least.

 

[bullados]

Remember that there's still the Red Genesect box being released I think next week. Nobody has any clue what's going to be in that thing.