Level Max...

[ShuckleLVX]

This discussion seems pointless. There needs to be a ruling before we can truly discuss anything.

If you read ATM, there IS a ruling.

 

[SPARTA]

Where, there wasn't a ruling anywhere on the first 3 pages.

 

[DreamChaser AJ]

Just curious, reference:

Q. Can I use Eevee's "Call for Family" to search through my deck if I already have four Eevee's in play or in the discard pile?
A. Yes you could use Call for Family, because contents of a deck search cannot be deduced, even on the basis of public knowledge. As long as you meet the requirements to use an attack, you follow what it does (in this case, searching your deck). (Jul 17, 2008 PUI Rules Team)

My guess is that since it's possible to have eevees in the deck (even though the game state says otherwise) I can search the deck. But since it's not possible to have pikachu Lv.Xs in the deck(card doesn't exist) you cannot burn a level max.

Also, if I don't play an Uxie LvX in my deck, but I have an Uxie in play, I can use Level Max, right? (Uxie LvX DOES exist, but the contents of my deck are unknown).

 

[Godzfirefly]

Just curious, reference:


My guess is that since it's possible to have eevees in the deck (even though the game state says otherwise) I can search the deck. But since it's not possible to have pikachu Lv.Xs in the deck(card doesn't exist) you cannot burn a level max.

Also, if I don't play an Uxie LvX in my deck, but I have an Uxie in play, I can use Level Max, right? (Uxie LvX DOES exist, but the contents of my deck are unknown).

That is exactly right, as I understand it. At least, based on the rulings we've received so far. That would be no different than having an Uxie Lvl X in your prizes or hand, instead of your deck, when using Level Max.

Also, if you have an Uxie in play, an Uxie Lvl X in play (with Uxie under it), and an Uxie Lvl X on top of your discard pile, you can still Level Max for an Uxie Lvl X (and if you find one, you get in BIIIG trouble, lol.)

 

[PokePop]

The rules for using an attack and playing a Trainer are different.
If you use an attack, you haven't "burned" a card.
Not the same thing. You can't compare the two.

 

[yoyofsho16]

The more correct ruling to reference would be the one in the old Compendium about Eevee UF's Poke-Power. It said that if you were to attach a fighting energy to Eevee, you would not be allowed to search your deck because the game has a knowledge of all the cards that exist, and there is no Eevee evolution card that is Fighting type.

 

[DarkStar20]

I agree with the ruling, but on the other hand:

Say I run a 3-1 line of Mesprit. And I have 2 basic LA Mesprits on the field, one with the Level X card on it.
(There are no Other Mesprits in the discard pile, or in play.)

Then since there is the possibility that I'm running a 2-2 line, and have another Level X in the Deck to level up my
non-level X Mesprit into, I could still play Level Max, despite the fact that I know what I run, and know I'm still burning the
card. It's about what the Game Rules know from what's in play, right?

(Despite the technical ability to theorize a ruling for this, it might behoove the process to put it in the compendium
anyway, for clarity sake. I mean, it's true that we have presidencies in place for experienced players to associate a
ruling to this, but I wouldn't be surprised that even intermediate level players don't make the connection due to the fact
that Level Max has an element of procedure that we've never seen before used on level x's.)

-Jason
dark::colorless20)

 

[yoyofsho16]

I agree with the ruling, but on the other hand:

Say I run a 3-1 line of Mesprit. And I have 2 basic LA Mesprits on the field, one with the Level X card on it.
(There are no Other Mesprits in the discard pile, or in play.)

Then since there is the possibility that I'm running a 2-2 line, and have another Level X in the Deck to level up my
non-level X Mesprit into, I could still play Level Max, despite the fact that I know what I run, and know I'm still burning the
card. It's about what the Game Rules know from what's in play, right?

(Despite the technical ability to theorize a ruling for this, it might behoove the process to put it in the compendium
anyway, for clarity sake. I mean, it's true that we have presidencies in place for experienced players to associate a
ruling to this, but I wouldn't be surprised that even intermediate level players don't make the connection due to the fact
that Level Max has an element of procedure that we've never seen before used on level x's.)

-Jason
dark::colorless20)

I'm pretty sure you could do that. That is similiar to the Eevee Call for Family rule from earlier. Even if all 4 Eevee are in play, you could still use its attack to search for Eevee.

 

[h0bbesteroo]

Wow, I didn't expect this much debate or confusion in the ruling. Let me explain the situation a bit more.

I had 2 skorupi's and 2 weaviles in play. I played the Level Max card, flipped heads and went through my deck, knowing that IN PLAY I DID NOT HAVE A POKEMON THAT COULD BE LEVEL X'ed. Me being new to this professor thing, asked another professor if what I did was legal. He said he didn't think it was legal but to ask Master Professor Birch, who was engaged in another game at the time. Professor Birch said it was legal, but I wasn't too sure if he understood the whole game state. I volunteered a game loss because I went through my deck and shuffled when I probably wasn't supposed to, but to be sure, Spotter told me to come on here to ask. Hope this clears things up.

 

[PokePop]

h0bbesteroo: If you want a straight up and down ruling, you post in the Ask the Rules Team forum.
If you want a discussion, you post here, in the Cards forum.