Porii Sames
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^No cuz then you could drop Mesprit and Sacrifice to heal again and you go nowhere...
or you could sac ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S A BASIC as well.
jmo
or you could sac ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S A BASIC as well.
jmo
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jeffrey123
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basically, it comes down to you powerlocking mesprit, if they wanna seeker and hurl its whatever, you healed off 2 turns of attacking and you just took prizes, also, 2 shotting gengar is fine with me, because after they zone 3-4 pokemon, you're halfway through finishing off their 3rd gengar.
Porii Sames
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OMG I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH ALEX2K.
Gigas seems like it could take Gengar cuz it has a lot that it can use to win against it with. Sac + Rescue + Mesprit drops + Seeker if you run it means that Gnegar is going to have one very hard time against Giggles, resistance aside that is.
Gigas seems like it could take Gengar cuz it has a lot that it can use to win against it with. Sac + Rescue + Mesprit drops + Seeker if you run it means that Gnegar is going to have one very hard time against Giggles, resistance aside that is.
Gigas>LostGar
Source: Testing.
LostGar doesn't take prizes. Regigigas is free to Sacrifice all it wants. LostGar can't use it's Twin Engine for most, if not all of the game. And Mesprit drops hurt A LOT!!!!! I was playing LostGar, and it was reaaaally annoying. 0/4 vs. Gigas.
Also, Ruins of Alph counters the resistance.
Source: Testing.
LostGar doesn't take prizes. Regigigas is free to Sacrifice all it wants. LostGar can't use it's Twin Engine for most, if not all of the game. And Mesprit drops hurt A LOT!!!!! I was playing LostGar, and it was reaaaally annoying. 0/4 vs. Gigas.
Also, Ruins of Alph counters the resistance.
Shadow Zangoose
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Why in the hell would you even use Sacrifice against Gengar in the first place? The Sacrifice target would get Lost Zoned due to Gengar Prime's Poké-Body. I mean, if you're wanting to make it even easier for them to get a Lost World drop, go for it. I don't think the Gengar player is going to complain one bit.
Theory is preferred here. It makes everyone that just spent $45 on a Gengar feel better.
Kayle
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wow, I don't understand your guys' argument whatsoever, but okay.
It doesn't make sense to me to play Gigas without a Bench, from what I know of the deck, but since I haven't done any testing yet, I'll just shrug and say sure.
Even though I hate encouraging the practice of playing three games and calling it testing.
It doesn't make sense to me to play Gigas without a Bench, from what I know of the deck, but since I haven't done any testing yet, I'll just shrug and say sure.
Even though I hate encouraging the practice of playing three games and calling it testing.
Sacrifice puts your pokemon in the lost zone lol...read gengar's pokebody
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Props to MeepXD who figured this one out
Only when gengar is active. Gigas can easily switch him out of the active spot. And don't say, "well I'll just have 2 primes in play." That's the obvious answer, and yes it is possible. But all gigas needs is a basic lv x to begin disrupting with drag off. The power lock and plethora of ways to get pokemon out of your hand makes lostgar choose between getting an early set up or seeker to get pokemon in the hand. Gigas just keeps on plowing through while ridding the deck of pokemon (collectors + junk arm regice).
I've also tested it. I would say the matchup is in gigas's favor.
Porii Sames
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Cuz
1. You stop them from using the Twins engine.
2. If you Sac correctly with a lone Gigas Lv.X in play...you don't need to worry about your Lost Zone until it has 6 pokes in it. You can Sac Mesprits back to back for a few turns and do fine until you get 6 things in the Zone.
...what?
#1 Means gengar is AHEAD of you in prizes...so it beats regigigas in prizes AND gets pokemon in regigigas' lost zone? What lol?
#2 Why would you ever even need to use sacrifice? Give me a reason besides getting energy on regigigas...cuz I honestly can't even think of one. If you meant saving pokemon from getting seeker'd and into the lost zone...lol well they will go in the lost zone anyway so...
@rt24: I don't think you're thinking hard enough about how the matchup would actually play out. Gigas would use a disruption strategy. Since lostgar is extremely inefficent at taking prizes, gigas could theoretically just sacrifice before they take a prize each time (which wouldn't be often with constant drag offs, spreading the board with damage and forcing lostgar to use resources in retreating). Since gigas plays very few pokemon, it would be easy to run through your deck and discard most or all of them, making lostzoning (new verb) almost impossible. When gigas is your only pokemon in play, they are going to have to start curse dropping. After a few of those, you play the collector, drop the mesprit, psychic bind so they can't level down, then sac it next turn. Gigas just has to many options and can manipulate the board however it wants in that matchup.
Porii Sames
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1. Yes, exactly. Can't use the twins engine, but on the other hand, it flat out can't win because Gigas won't let it lost zone 6 pokes. Plus, if need be, Regi can just Drag Off stall until the opponent can't take it anymore and they can't promote Gengar Prime.
2. Healing on your lone Regigigas.
Gengar will be more playable than luxray GL!
The new lost world card... just wow that card will spell doom when used with gengar prime!
Reference:
Lost world-
once during each players turn if that players opponent has 6 or more pokemon in the lost zone, the player may choose to win the game.
Gengar prime-
body: catastrophe- as long as gengar is your active pokemon if you opponents pokemon is knocked out put that pokemon in the lost zone ( all cards attatched to that pokemon are discarded)
sychic: hurl into darkness- look at your opponents hand, choose a number of pokemon there up to the number of sychic: energy attatched to gengar and put them in the lost zone.
The new lost world card... just wow that card will spell doom when used with gengar prime!
Reference:
Lost world-
once during each players turn if that players opponent has 6 or more pokemon in the lost zone, the player may choose to win the game.
Gengar prime-
body: catastrophe- as long as gengar is your active pokemon if you opponents pokemon is knocked out put that pokemon in the lost zone ( all cards attatched to that pokemon are discarded)sychic: hurl into darkness- look at your opponents hand, choose a number of pokemon there up to the number of sychic: energy attatched to gengar and put them in the lost zone.If Gengar loses to regigas then I will be surprised. First of all, you say no bench? That just makes winning so much easier. A Gengar SF tech is great. Accumulate Seekers and vs seekers and Gengar SF can continually hit Regigas meaning they have to sacrafice, meaning they also have to have pokemon in the deck to be lost zoned. And fainting spell hurts. Secondly, level down hurts you a lot if you can't recover. I mean, how much recovery are you doing if you aren't benching a lot of uxies. And furthermore,
And if you don't want to do that. You can just poisin the gigas with haunter so they can't sacrafice.
And if you don't want to do that. You can just poisin the gigas with haunter so they can't sacrafice.
Quick Draw
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Thank you for this post; now realize that this has been realized for a long time after reading one of the three dozen other threads about gengar decks.
DragonClyne725
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Hasn't there been, as QuickDraw said, like over 5 dozen threads about this combo?
And yes, the combo is pretty epic and will probably be played a lot
And yes, the combo is pretty epic and will probably be played a lot
MrMeches
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Please move this discussion to the designated thread:
http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=140372
Thanks!
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http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=140372
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