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baby mario
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My brother is there. This is from phone convos.
After Swiss (192 Masters) . . .
The 8-0 deck was Magnezone/Machamp/Regirock
Luxchomp everywhere
Vilegar doing surprisingly well
Decent amount of Gyarados
Yanmega/Scizor did ok
BUT . . .
Relatively little Lostgar.
Going by this tourney, Lostgar is not about to break the format. Not by a long shot.
baby mario
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@BM: What the heck? Magnezone/Machamp/Regirock?
What's the meta coming to these days
I know, right?
But try it and you'll be surprised. It's a legit deck.
Haven't heard anything about those decks, but don't read anything into that.
Barkjon
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Yeah, I guess it would have good MU's. Magnezone would be sweetness vs. G-dos (and serves as drawpower, if you play the Prime) and Machamp is an SP counter. The Regirock is interesting, maybe RegiStark engine in it?
I assume Sablelock is there as it is an awesome LostGar counter, and pretty good vs. VileGar. DChomp always shows up at these events, so I'm guessing it's there too, lol. Plus, DChomp is purty good vs. LostGar, if you take some prizes before they get 6 Pokes in Lost Zone, then deafen it up.
Yeah, I guess it would have good MU's. Magnezone would be sweetness vs. G-dos (and serves as drawpower, if you play the Prime) and Machamp is an SP counter. The Regirock is interesting, maybe RegiStark engine in it?
I assume Sablelock is there as it is an awesome LostGar counter, and pretty good vs. VileGar. DChomp always shows up at these events, so I'm guessing it's there too, lol. Plus, DChomp is purty good vs. LostGar, if you take some prizes before they get 6 Pokes in Lost Zone, then deafen it up.
dancingaway
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I was terrified of Vilegar so i tested a LOT with my GF and found a way to beat it almost every time (see above). It's now one of my best matches, especially as the vilegar sees Machop and assumes victory
the Regirock can work as decent energy acceleration / recovery but really it's for discarding trainers to make Vilegar beatable. Well, it is for me anyway
pokemaster1970
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No offense to anybody on this site, but isn't Europe where a Torterra Deck won their championship not so long ago? I find it hard to take the European meta too seriously when you usually see more Japanese and American players as the top decks in Worlds.
Again, I'm not trying to be a wise a$$ or bigot or anything, just trying to make a point.
Been testing Gengar/Lost Zone at League lately.
Boy is it slow. (maybe it is just my version). Yanmega/Jumpluff is pretty fast, you know, but I'd bet SP is just as quick.
It sure sucks to use your attacks for the Lost Zone while your opponent is going to town on your Gengar. I wish I could be offensive AND get Pokemon in the lost zone. :frown:
Bebe's Search, Judge, and a few other cards are ways your opponent can get the Pokemon out of their hand, but I've found Seeker to be a god blessing that the opponent can't do a thing about.
Mr. Mime is the man. Perfect for both popular Gengars. :thumb:
Gengar Lv.X is stupid. I guess if you face Lv.Xs, like from SP decks, but nobody plays SP at my local league (you know you're jealous :wink.
It's an interesting concept, and I know I am not playing the cards to the best of their potential, but I don't feel it's anywhere near as format-shattering as people hyped.
Boy is it slow. (maybe it is just my version). Yanmega/Jumpluff is pretty fast, you know, but I'd bet SP is just as quick.
It sure sucks to use your attacks for the Lost Zone while your opponent is going to town on your Gengar. I wish I could be offensive AND get Pokemon in the lost zone. :frown:
Bebe's Search, Judge, and a few other cards are ways your opponent can get the Pokemon out of their hand, but I've found Seeker to be a god blessing that the opponent can't do a thing about.
Mr. Mime is the man. Perfect for both popular Gengars. :thumb:
Gengar Lv.X is stupid. I guess if you face Lv.Xs, like from SP decks, but nobody plays SP at my local league (you know you're jealous :wink
.It's an interesting concept, and I know I am not playing the cards to the best of their potential, but I don't feel it's anywhere near as format-shattering as people hyped.
Indeed I won nationals with torterra and afterwards I placed t32 at worlds with the same deck, only loosing to timeout. And yeah, guess where nationals are held EVERY! year, especially hawai, how many eropeans can afford this seriously?! And then you wonder why there are more americans making tops?! We were 4 germans at worlds (masters) and made t32 t32 4th 5th. So how about you dont speak if you dont know anything about whats going on?! And about the torterra thing, rebuild any deck from last season and drop me a pm and ill gladly show you WHY I won with that deck
Seriously... We once had an american guy at one of our tournaments who was there for the holidays or something, he didnt seem able to get his head around the fact I was playing gardevoir with luxray. Yes there are decks that are not called whateverchomp / whatevergar out there ...
MM is pretty legit, has close matchups against everything. People cant figure out the point of regirock? It supports Machamp Prime, gives magnezine prime backup amunition and discards cards so you can draw with magnezone. The issue is that, although I could adjust my deck to beat everything constantly it was hard to get the right mix down, and trying to squeeze everything in leaves you with a ton of clunk. I mean I used 4 Collector/4 Tomb / 4 Judge but against Sp which can just stomp you whenever they like to youll still just get stomped sometimes. You also have to add a ton of clunk and have awful tier2 matchups (i had to play against charizard, go figure...)
I loved the deck and put a lot of heart into testing it, only to loose to a donk and a uxie for 3, oops 3 turns, otherwise he wouldve lost right now, so I decided to play luxchomp for the next tournament, I played awfully and I still won. MM is cool but it doesnt cut it, a deck can hardly get better matchups then luxchomp IMO, a deck with a 30% chance of winning no matter what?! sure... So I think MM is as close as you can get to bulding a rogue in our current metagame but in the end you can pour tons of work and testing into it, just to build a deck that has slighly better matchups against the topdecks but falls apart to a lot of non meta stuff and is very open to get donked / bad matchup... Welcome to our format... And this is the reason why Im at home instead of being at the eec right now...
And lostgar was awful in testing, didnt work at all, but I really expect it to give us nightmares next year, no candys/no possibility of discard and no absurd number of cards that autokill you so you have to play a lot of techs? ...
baby mario
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Hold on a minute . . .
Who was it who was ANXIOUS (your word) to see the results of European tournaments?
Oh, that's right, it was YOU.
What's the matter? The results didn't support your theorymon?
Shame.
Except that this one wasn't.
It was one game. 30+3.
So your point is . . . . ?
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No theyre not?! SOme tournaments in the netherlands were run b03 because its more fun, some cities, no big tournaments, nowhere else, why keep people spreading the nonsense...
nnaann
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It's kind of difficult to argue that point when the Torterra deck ended placing above Jason K, Chris Fulop, John Kettler, Steven Silvestro and a lot of other great players at the World Championships
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vegitalian
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Isn't Europe an entire continent? First off, I'm pretty sure Torterra won NATIONALS, not CONTINENTALS. Secondly, European players do very well at Worlds events, even though Worlds is held in a location that is near impossible for most of them to get to without an invite (meanwhile there are Americans far as the eye can see). Also, I would like to point out that Gyarados was first successfully used by players from France, and has since taken the North American meta by storm.
Rethink your point.
baby mario
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That post is ignorant on so many levels, it's hard to know where to start. I don't think pokemaster1970 should worry about people thinking he is a wise anything.
Flygon/Torterra won ONE of many European Nationals. Luxchomp took the vast majority. Incidentally, didn't a Torterra deck top 4 US Nats in 2008? Why is Torterra suddenly the sign of a bad meta?
That Flygon/Torterra deck made top 32 at Worlds.
13 of the top 32 in Hawaii were Europeans. That's overperforming if anything, considering the numbers.
European players have had a lot of success at Worlds. Winning Masters in 2007, 2nd in 2009.
Also Gyarados, like Vegitalian pointed out.
It's not the European meta that shouldn't be taken seriously when it comes to assessing Lostgar's impact, it's pokemaster's clueless posts.
Flygon/Torterra won ONE of many European Nationals. Luxchomp took the vast majority. Incidentally, didn't a Torterra deck top 4 US Nats in 2008? Why is Torterra suddenly the sign of a bad meta?
That Flygon/Torterra deck made top 32 at Worlds.
13 of the top 32 in Hawaii were Europeans. That's overperforming if anything, considering the numbers.
European players have had a lot of success at Worlds. Winning Masters in 2007, 2nd in 2009.
Also Gyarados, like Vegitalian pointed out.
It's not the European meta that shouldn't be taken seriously when it comes to assessing Lostgar's impact, it's pokemaster's clueless posts.
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baby mario
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How lostgar performed in its first major tournament is on topic, no?
If people then dismiss the legitimacy of those results, then it is surely valid to counter them?
If people then dismiss the legitimacy of those results, then it is surely valid to counter them?
baby mario
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