Marriage?
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DJGigabyte
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Exactly, your totally right. If homosexual couples aren't allowed to have an official marriage just a "civil partnership" then however you try and justify this, basically it's just another form of prejudice.
I actually have more respect for the people who will come out and say "I'm homophobic, I hate ***s" than for the people who pretend their all liberal yet at heart are just as closeminded as homophobes.
Basically that's saying, I don't mind *** people as long as they stay out of MY way, don;t interfere with MY life, and don't get to have the same things as us.
Marriage is a bond and a commitment of love. Love is not restricted to heterosexual couples.
Qwachansey
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So you are saying:
You know everyone who makes your food (regardless if they cut the wheat in Asia or Europe)
You know everyone in China who makes your furniture, house, appliances, etc.
You know the plumbers who give you your water and heat supply
You know the factory workers who made your Pokemon cards
You know the 3 cents an hour Chinese workers who make your clothes
Wow, you must be very popular!
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100% right. Separate but equal eventually becomes separate, hated, and unequal.
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Articjedi
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I honestly never got why this is ever a debate in the first place. If it's a religious issue, churches can choose if they could sanction *** marriage, and it would be awful if the government forced churches to marry *** couples, which they won't, none of the rulings or laws that make *** marriage legal encroach upon the churches right to marry *** couples. There's a difference between a legal and a spiritual marriage (and honestly, if a church ends up performing it anyway, that's their choice), all the government is giving them is the legal aspect. WHY IS THAT SUCH A PROBLEM?
Well I guess you've got me there Qwachansey. But the majority of those things are luxuries. I don't need those things. I could do many of those things myself if I so wish. My point is...if I don't know you you are no real value to me...as if I don't know you you don't exist in my mind therefore I don't much care what you do as you do not directly effect me.
Yes I understand that is a very selfish way to think, and yes I know you are all thinking how can I possibly play Pokemon with that attitude? Well...that is the way I was brought up. I'm not a mean person, I'm friendly to people I don't know. But in the back of my mind I'm constantly thinking "be nice to them once and never hear from them again."
Yes I understand that is a very selfish way to think, and yes I know you are all thinking how can I possibly play Pokemon with that attitude? Well...that is the way I was brought up. I'm not a mean person, I'm friendly to people I don't know. But in the back of my mind I'm constantly thinking "be nice to them once and never hear from them again."
Qwachansey
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Hahaha so food and shelter are luxuries? And I doubt you'd like to go around naked.
There's nothing I can say if you were brought up that way, but the way you think is not set in stone - it's always possible to change your views for the better.
Ardoptres
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Why? Because that's the norm or you just don't think it's right? My guess is, that that is your only reasons.
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Assuming "they" are ***s, how do they contribute to your survival more or less than your neighbor or the guy across the street?
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So you pretty much hate everyone in the world. I petty you.
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I am assuming you think the same way about "normal" marriage?
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rerisenphoenix
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In my personal opinion, based on my moral beliefs, I do not believe that homosexuals should be allowed to get married. Now, in saying this, in no way do I hate/disregard homosexuals as people, but I see marriage as a sacred bond between a man and a woman, and, based on my religious belief, ordained by God as holy matrimony. Now, I see homosexuals as people, and have *** friends, but again based on my religious belief, see homosexuality as a sin, so, as such, do not believe *** marriage should be legal.
DJGigabyte
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Do your *** friends accept the fact that you think they're sinners?
Qwachansey
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Hahahahaha. Good one.
since the state confers rights/responsibilities to married couples that are not available to those unable to marry because of their sexual orientation, imo NO ONE should be 'married' in the eyes of the state.
instead: ALL 'marriages' should be civil unions...same AND opposite sex. if 'marriage' is considered a religious/sacred bond in whatever religion one chooses to follow, fine: have the religious ceremony/sacrament in your church of choice. any religion can choose who and who is not allowed to marry in their ceremonies, after all...but denying the LEGAL rights and responsibilities of marriage to same-sex couples because of religious views that couple may not even follow is ridiculous. rob thomas of matchbox 20 had an excellent article on huffington post recently: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-thomas/the-big-***-chip-on-my-sh_b_208183.html
remember: the same arguments ('it's against "god"'s will', 'think of the children', ad nauseum...) against same-sex marriage were made not all that long ago against interracial marriages. laws against interracial marriage were still on the books in certain states within my lifetime!
don't like same-sex marriage? then don't have one. but don't try to tell me that the fact that friends of mine were able to marry in the few month window prior to prop 8 last year has ANY effect on MY marriage of nearly 24 years...because it doesn't. my marriage doesn't need 'protection', tyvm...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNiqfRyoAyA
'mom
instead: ALL 'marriages' should be civil unions...same AND opposite sex. if 'marriage' is considered a religious/sacred bond in whatever religion one chooses to follow, fine: have the religious ceremony/sacrament in your church of choice. any religion can choose who and who is not allowed to marry in their ceremonies, after all...but denying the LEGAL rights and responsibilities of marriage to same-sex couples because of religious views that couple may not even follow is ridiculous. rob thomas of matchbox 20 had an excellent article on huffington post recently: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-thomas/the-big-***-chip-on-my-sh_b_208183.html
remember: the same arguments ('it's against "god"'s will', 'think of the children', ad nauseum...) against same-sex marriage were made not all that long ago against interracial marriages. laws against interracial marriage were still on the books in certain states within my lifetime!
don't like same-sex marriage? then don't have one. but don't try to tell me that the fact that friends of mine were able to marry in the few month window prior to prop 8 last year has ANY effect on MY marriage of nearly 24 years...because it doesn't. my marriage doesn't need 'protection', tyvm...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNiqfRyoAyA
'mom
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rerisenphoenix
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Well, I think everyone's a sinner, so there's no difference in that aspect. That's like asking 'Do your friends accept the fact that you think they're human?" It's a mute point, as we are all sinners, so rather or not one accepts it is irrelevant.
Quoting Romans 3:23
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
Qwachansey
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If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
The Bible says a lot of things. I hope the above would never happen today.
DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
The Bible says a lot of things. I hope the above would never happen today.
The concept of 'sin' is greatly misunderstood by many, it is not wickedness or the deliberate evil wrought upon others nor is it blasphemy the deliberate cursing of the Creator: it is misguidance a misguidance that the church wishes to help correct but in the end it is merely the misguided or 'sinner' that has the choice of correction or not. Religious laws more or less remain fixed what however does not remain fixed is their perception as perceived by their custodians i.e. the deacons priests bishops and archbishops. What God intends is more or less open to enquiry. That being said we live in a country that has strong religious institutions but none the less they do not 'control' the laws they may influence but they can not dictate. In fact as one aught to know their isn't one single power any more really in the world that decides both the writ and execution of laws. Marriage in the Religious sense is not meant to between a Man and a Woman that also is a mistake rather it's to be based upon a Man and a Woman to make lawful in the eyes of god the union necessary for offspring i.e. children; gee I wonder how many broke that sacrament
Well to tell you the truth I can honestly say I do not know my neighbors, nor do I know the guy across the street. And I have lived in the same house my entire life. They do not make an effort to meet me, therefore I do not make an effort to meet them.
In terms of hating everyone in the world? As I do not know everyone in the world there is no way I can possibly like them which means I cannot possibly hate them either. Hate would be a little bit too strong of a word...dis like? Maybe...fear of the unknown? Yes, most definitely. I lack trust, I always have, and I most likly always will. I do not trust Homosexuals as there are a million mixed messages. Some say to love them, some say hate them, others say just except them. Which one is right? Someone must be wrong for someone to be right? If I had a Homosexual in my life, I could then pass compleate and total judgement on whether or not I trust and except them. But as I don't the resource is not there, and I will have to be bias. Mind you I am open minded.
In terms of over all marriage, I find that it really means nothing (to me at least). It most certainly does not mean love. Love is a feeling...not a ring, not a symbol. Not a court document. Homosexual, Heterosexual...get married, don't get married. In the long run if it doesn't effect me I should have no place to speak.
I apologize for being so personal here. This shall be my last post on this thread. As I think I have said everything that I feel, and perhaps I should not have posted in the first place. As I'm sure you now all see me as a hate monger and misanthropist.
Qwachansey
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It's pretty messed up to hate someone because they were raised a certain way. And as a Chansey, I don't hate you; I'd rather heal you of your internal conflicts.
ThunderBlast
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No one here is, nor can be, right or wrong. This entire subject is subjective to your own personal beliefs. If certain people are born ***, why can't that answer be acceptable for your situation? No one can prove or disprove how you feel. Look into existentialism. It's all about self truth.
Also, I have the suspicion that no matter what is said here to justify opposition to *** marriage, the pro *** marriage folks will find a way to call that bigotry. I don't think it's an issue the federal government should decide anyway. Each state should decide what is best for their own population.
It's sad that even if this were the case, and *** marriage were allowed in states that chose to honor it, a state like Texas would still be called backwards and hateful because of a differing opinion. That can't be justified.
:lightning
Dr. Mason
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But Texas would be backwards and hateful. They are sppressing fellow people because either they hate them, or don't like it. Either way, both of these reasons is silly. THAT can't be justified.
And of course we can find a way to call it bigotry.
Because it is.
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I do not think kids should not be able to pray if it is their wish--only that no school can force anyone to pray/stand for the pledge etc.
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ThunderBlast
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So, are you saying my opinion and beliefs have no validity because I see the world differently than others? What makes your opinion more valid than my own? And isn't it suppressive to have no tolerance for others opinions?
In my example, people would have voted and decided what they felt was best for their state. How can that be bigotry? Everyone has a fair chance to voice their opinion through a vote. I feel that you are saying despite all that, anyone who opposes *** marriage is a bigot and ignorant, no matter what. Isn't that in itself bigotry and intolerance?