Spheal says
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Just trying to ensure that every one can be happy to some extent over this historically controversial topic, Poke'Mom...
Marriage?
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DJGigabyte
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The things that have been said since last time I visited are unbelievable.
Heterosexual people are just as promiscuous (if not more so) than homosexuals.
HIV can be spread by straight people too. It's not just ***s. If straight people get HIV then DON'T blame it on homosexuals. If you can't take a simple precaution (and there are loads out there!) then you only have yourself to blame.
And why should homosexual couples pay more than heterosexuals?? There just as equal.
And no 95% is not good enough. 5% discrimation is still discrimination.
Heterosexual people are just as promiscuous (if not more so) than homosexuals.
HIV can be spread by straight people too. It's not just ***s. If straight people get HIV then DON'T blame it on homosexuals. If you can't take a simple precaution (and there are loads out there!) then you only have yourself to blame.
And why should homosexual couples pay more than heterosexuals?? There just as equal.
And no 95% is not good enough. 5% discrimation is still discrimination.
How about we charge a fee for people that call themselves Maxwell Sage on Pokemon Boards?
At least then we would be sure it would hit the right people...
"Being 95% equal is good enough, right?"
I'm reading this over and over again, please tell me this is a joke...
Really this sentence makes me want to cry... :nonono:
You know what equality means?
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Politoed666
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This is a topic I feel strongly about, so I'll add my two cents. BTW, mods, why is the "g-word" filtered? Used in correct context, there's nothing wrong with it...
First off, I'm a heterosexual male with no openly homosexual friends. Hence, I'm not personally invested in the issue. However, I do feel as though it's wrong for the government to take a stand in what's acceptable in regards to one of the most sacred vows in life. There is no good reason for homosexual couples to be unable to marry. Provide one and I will show why it's not good enough.
A primary reason many people oppose homosexual marriage is due to their religion. They think it's wrong and goes against God's natural law. Now, although I'm an atheist, I'm not going to force my beliefs (or lack thereof) on the 'Gym community. Rather, there's a more logical reason why religion is not a sufficient obstacle to homosexual marriage. Marriage is not a fundamentally religious ceremony. Nearly all of the world's religions participate in a marriage ritual of some sort, and atheists and agnostics are married just as often as Christians.
Not allowing homosexuals to marry is discrimination, plain and simple; the same as racism or sexism. Just some food for thought.
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And you, sir, are full of fail, for reasons already stated by those above me. >_<
First off, I'm a heterosexual male with no openly homosexual friends. Hence, I'm not personally invested in the issue. However, I do feel as though it's wrong for the government to take a stand in what's acceptable in regards to one of the most sacred vows in life. There is no good reason for homosexual couples to be unable to marry. Provide one and I will show why it's not good enough.
A primary reason many people oppose homosexual marriage is due to their religion. They think it's wrong and goes against God's natural law. Now, although I'm an atheist, I'm not going to force my beliefs (or lack thereof) on the 'Gym community. Rather, there's a more logical reason why religion is not a sufficient obstacle to homosexual marriage. Marriage is not a fundamentally religious ceremony. Nearly all of the world's religions participate in a marriage ritual of some sort, and atheists and agnostics are married just as often as Christians.
Not allowing homosexuals to marry is discrimination, plain and simple; the same as racism or sexism. Just some food for thought.
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And you, sir, are full of fail, for reasons already stated by those above me. >_<
i agree that the word itself isn't a problem. the reason the three-letter word for 'homosexual' is filtered here is because 99% of the time it was used prior to filtering was in a derogatory ('zomg that's so.....!111!') context...
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Politoed666
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True... sad, isn't it? D: What if "female" was synonymous with "stupid?" I'll bet more people would have a problem with that... but it's really the same scenario.
Lucario-Master
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this is kinda hard topic, i think that anyone should be able to love anyone without any problembs but when you bring up merriage that hits a soft spot, the bible makes it look like marriage is just a contract that makes it ok the make babys.
now homosexual people cant have babys the natural way so they shouldn't be abled to get marread. < this is the churches idea on this topic but nowdays every one gets marryed, even if they dont beleave in god or anything like that, its just a thing people do when 2 people love each other now. so yes they should be able to get married but im just saying that the church see's it as braking the rules that "god" made.
now homosexual people cant have babys the natural way so they shouldn't be abled to get marread. < this is the churches idea on this topic but nowdays every one gets marryed, even if they dont beleave in god or anything like that, its just a thing people do when 2 people love each other now. so yes they should be able to get married but im just saying that the church see's it as braking the rules that "god" made.
I think most people are in church because its a habit. (Straight people and homosexuals..) If there was any other organisation that would have done what church has, everyone would be against them for sure.
I just think church has too much stuff still going wrong and people shouldnt just accept that in this "its the church, they've been there forever" kind of way.
This reminds me of a southpark episode where the kids are boyscouts and have leader who is ***.
He gets thrown out at some point and everyone is starting to protest until they're forced to take them back. They even have a conference and hes like "I'm happy you were trying to help me but if they dont want me because I'm homosexual I dont want to force myself on them. I think they're wrong in what they're doing but if they dont want me I dont want to force myself on them"
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I know a few *** people and they're no different then anyone else. You can even make jokes about them and they wont complain because they know you dont mean it.
One of them had a shirt which read "looking for a girl that fits to my sheets" xD
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When we'd throw all people out of church who broke religious rules the problem would be solved. 3 people can hardly keep a religion going...
The bible is a book of storys which are supposed to give you ideas how you should live your life. And its 2000 years old, its just not up to date...
In ancient greece, beeing *** was perfectly normal and considered the best form of love since it was love between 2 intelligent beings and the only way to reach a higher plane of existence. (seriously xD)
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please speak for your own church, instead of tarring every spiritual belief with the same bigotry brush.
and please don't dare make assumptions about anyone else's spiritual beliefs just being a 'habit' they've fallen into: you're equating all organized religion with whatever narrow-minded 'church' you've had personal experience with.
not all 'religion' is judeo-christian, and not all have that world view...not to mention that here in the US there are churches specificially serving the GBLT communities.
and before the thread goes even more off-topic: no more stories about any particular 'interesting' ways anyone ingests any particular foodstuff; the post in question has been edited.
jmho
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and please don't dare make assumptions about anyone else's spiritual beliefs just being a 'habit' they've fallen into: you're equating all organized religion with whatever narrow-minded 'church' you've had personal experience with.
not all 'religion' is judeo-christian, and not all have that world view...not to mention that here in the US there are churches specificially serving the GBLT communities.
and before the thread goes even more off-topic: no more stories about any particular 'interesting' ways anyone ingests any particular foodstuff; the post in question has been edited.
jmho
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Lucario-Master
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im sorry if i wasn't clear
i meant christianity
this is the religion that i've seen have a problem with this topic.
im not saying that everyone that christian beleaves this but i have talked to a prist about this and that was how he put it.
also, dont you dare somehow make my look like im using all religions in this, did the word "the church" maybe point off what religion i was talking about? also if this is rong from what you have seen in church then christians are giving out mixed ideas and then i would just ignor what they say because its there own ideas and not the churches teachings
P.S i dont beleave in god or anything but alot of people i know do and it comes up alot so i do know alot about it and it really dose come down to what you think because each prist might send out a different idea on this.
DJGigabyte
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GBLT stands for ***, Bisexual, Lesbian and Transgender.
Hopefully all of those words won't get filtered out.
Spheal says
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Thanks for the attack on me, Politoed666. Don't let me forget to thank you either, Yoshi-.
Mayyyyybe you guys failed to notice my reasoning for that comment? You know... the part where I said that all I was trying to do was create a solution that could potentially make every one happy to some extent?
I figure that homosexual people would be so happy about having their marriage legalized that a fee would be too insignificant to weigh them down on their wedding day, and that bigots wouldn't be able to argue with it much because they would be getting something out of it. Sound fair? Or am I not one sided enough for you guys?
As for saying "95% is good enough, right?", it just goes back to assuming that homosexuals would be so appreciative of their bond finally being recognized legally that a fee would be the least of their worries.
If I'm not one sided enough for you guys... Sorry to offend your little hearts. I can see San Fransisco from my house, I voted for *** marriage, and am very well acquainted with this issue. Regardless of it's popularity on this forum, from my experience, I'd have to say that my suggestion would most likely work at solving this problem with the fewest number of protests... from either side.
Mayyyyybe you guys failed to notice my reasoning for that comment? You know... the part where I said that all I was trying to do was create a solution that could potentially make every one happy to some extent?
I figure that homosexual people would be so happy about having their marriage legalized that a fee would be too insignificant to weigh them down on their wedding day, and that bigots wouldn't be able to argue with it much because they would be getting something out of it. Sound fair? Or am I not one sided enough for you guys?
As for saying "95% is good enough, right?", it just goes back to assuming that homosexuals would be so appreciative of their bond finally being recognized legally that a fee would be the least of their worries.
If I'm not one sided enough for you guys... Sorry to offend your little hearts. I can see San Fransisco from my house, I voted for *** marriage, and am very well acquainted with this issue. Regardless of it's popularity on this forum, from my experience, I'd have to say that my suggestion would most likely work at solving this problem with the fewest number of protests... from either side.
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Why should they make laws to make bigots happy?
Bigotry should be discouraged, not appeased.
Articjedi
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Depends on what you consider "liberal" or "conservative." Moderates do exist, you know.
Anyway, I never had a problem with the whole calling it marriage thing. What's in a name? What we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
And Maxwell, what you're proposing is still a slap in the face. It's a question of equal rights.
Ardoptres
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You're a funny guy. Well actually not. Your suggestion is so discriminating it isn't even funny.
Man it's a good thing I got a good night's sleep, what is it we are trying to accomplish here??
as a decorated veteran I'd hate to think I took those bullets and scrapnel to see ya'll tear each other apart for something that is a simple fix, go to Canada and get er done, those canuckle heads will let ya and have a Molson for me, America land of the free folks, let it go there will always be two sides to every coin, u can't please all of the people all of the time
and there is no luck in chess only misplays like our favorite card game, if someone has a brain flatulence then it's your advantage, c'mon nationals get here already:thumb:
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as a decorated veteran I'd hate to think I took those bullets and scrapnel to see ya'll tear each other apart for something that is a simple fix, go to Canada and get er done, those canuckle heads will let ya and have a Molson for me, America land of the free folks, let it go there will always be two sides to every coin, u can't please all of the people all of the time
and there is no luck in chess only misplays like our favorite card game, if someone has a brain flatulence then it's your advantage, c'mon nationals get here already:thumb:
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Lucario-Master
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i just remebered about darwin and now it kinda makes it even more harder. the chritians dont want homosexiul people getting married but now science dosn't really ether. the point of life from a scientific point of view is to live have babys and die so that the circal of life continuses and the food chain isn't hurt, so now that 2 men getting married means they cant have babys this kinda makes there lives usless to science and the church things they are damed to hell.
But really if you think about it........are humans really needed? no we arn't. we evolved from monkeys and before that the world was fine without us so we are not needed to keep the world in order, we are acutally distryoing the worlds so. So because we arn't needed we dont need to keep on breeding so its ok for us to have 2 men or 2 women get married. Many people may think we need to be on earth to keep it going so if thats true then no homosexials shoun't get married but IMO they should be able to because we have alot of people in the world so they make up for the few that cant have babys.
P.S darwins theory dosn't really work for us because humans are able to live even if they arn't strong or smart, they also breed so thats why the world isn't full of just strong smart people that have outlasted the weaker ones, also this dosn't work on animals in humal captivity but they dont even need to fight for food so they arn't as good as animals in the wild.
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i just remebered about darwin and now it kinda makes it even more harder. the chritians dont want homosexiul people getting married but now science dosn't really ether. the point of life from a scientific point of view is to live have babys and die so that the circal of life continuses and the food chain isn't hurt, so now that 2 men getting married means they cant have babys this kinda makes there lives usless to science and the church things they are damed to hell.
But really if you think about it........are humans really needed? no we arn't. we evolved from monkeys and before that the world was fine without us so we are not needed to keep the world in order, we are acutally distryoing the worlds so. So because we arn't needed we dont need to keep on breeding so its ok for us to have 2 men or 2 women get married. Many people may think we need to be on earth to keep it going so if thats true then no homosexials shoun't get married but IMO they should be able to because we have alot of people in the world so they make up for the few that cant have babys.
P.S darwins theory dosn't really work for us because humans are able to live even if they arn't strong or smart, they also breed so thats why the world isn't full of just strong smart people that have outlasted the weaker ones, also this dosn't work on animals in humal captivity but they dont even need to fight for food so they arn't as good as animals in the wild.