That looks cool, but they probably did it right with the blisters.
More focused Elite Trainer Box feedback
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That looks cool, but they probably did it right with the blisters.
Envoyofduels
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I'll gladly pay $5 more for sleeves and a better quality deck box.
PMysterious
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Now I'm thinking that instead of having an Elite Trainer Box with packs and cards, I think we may need Elite Decks which come with semi-competitive decks for the metagame at that time. I'm not saying we should, but it would be nice for people trying to get in the game competitively.
Bilbo Baggins
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that would kill sales. No one would buy as much packs, or trade as much as they do now. The blastoise deck we have now it probably the closest we get to semi-competitive legal deck.
bullados
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Blastoise needs two $100 cards and four $10-15 cards in order to function properly.
Eelektrik is the only competitive deck that can be built almost 100% with cards from preconstructed packs (PCDs, Tins, etc). I think the only cards missing are Level Ball, Ultra Ball, and Catcher, and the total for those cards is something like $70 at most.
Bilbo Baggins
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Semi competitive decks would need 4 catchers to be even competitive at all. Also, making semi-competitive decks with only few more necessities, people would buy singles instead of packs.
SmeargleMe
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So while I understand the Japanese products (sets all the way down to packs) are different from ours, are their buying motivation (getting the most bang for their buck) that much different from ours? Wouldn't their Master Deck Build Box decimate sales of their other products too?
I agree this would lower the sales of other products for the competitive player in the Americas (not counting people who already only buy singles), but if the biggest buying segment in the Americas is supposedly non-competitive Big Box people, shouldn't this have little effect on the overall sales (yes, yes any lowering of sales is bad)? Or even a positive effect if the singles buyers start buying the Trainer Box once or twice a year to supplement their singles buying?
CryBulbasaurCRY
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5 bucks sleeves and deck box is incredible, this drives me along with the dice to buy one of these each set.
But I must add how do people feel aboit the price point of this to a prerelease? This product makes me rather skip the sneak peaks in favor of the extra goodies.
But I must add how do people feel aboit the price point of this to a prerelease? This product makes me rather skip the sneak peaks in favor of the extra goodies.
Regis_Neo
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These aren't planned as a release for every set, sounds more like every other set or so. So prereleases will still have their function.
I like Plasma everything, and it'd be cool to have matching sleeves to go with the dice from before, and a deck box in the next set, but honestly I bought an ETB with my brother and the only thing I kept was the energy and the box, we split the boosters and my brother got everything else. "Elite Trainer" is a silly title for a flimsy deck box, d6's and not enough of them, a randomizer with a logo on the 6, a players guide that's similar to every theme deck (which really all of that info is on pokegym/online anyways) even the boosters weren't much of a draw. The box itself has been the most useful as that's where I store my commons, energy and extra code cards. We restarted playing TCG and the energy was useful to me then, but now I'd like to have different art or holo or something.
My biggest adjustment is I go out of my way to get ORANGE dice, sleeves, deck box and mat (no one has mentioned a mat have they), because it's my favorite color and I like everything to match. That being said I have no use for other sleeves, dice, deck boxes, or mats. I'd only trade or sell them, or give them away to a new player. Boosters are nice, but for new sets you can get them ANYWHERE. There's enough fred meyers, walmarts and card shops around that sell them for less than $5/ea that buying a new ETB for $35 for just the boosters isn't enough. I hate having to buy tins just to get a card, I have to create ways to make use of them, and have given away at least 3 of the 5 or so I've bought recently.
Price isn't a big deal, if I'm in need of it and only way to get it is by buying other stuff with it, I'll pay out my ear. I bought many $10 dice sets just to get Orange D20's for damage counters. I like that the poison/burn was plastic, btw. People have brought up promo cards or trainer cards, that sounds cool.
Here's what I think the two best options are, as vague as they may be:
- ETB will be standard for Prereleases, with 6 packs, deck box, promo card etc, and the only thing professors need to hand out is participation/ranked prizes at the end, like how we got Metagross for Plasma Freeze and 2 packs. The deck boxes are only useful to me for the day of the pre-release. Flimsy sleeves would be okay if it meant the cards I intend to trade after the pre-release were kept in better condition through play, really just a sturdy penny sleeve would do.
- make it designed to take a theme deck player into a deck building player. point #1 touched a little on it as far as sleeves go, but ya, a lot of people forget or don't have dice at league somehow, so 12 dice would be helpful, especially if they are D6's. I like that the randomizer is different, as when people use the same for their counters sometimes it can get mixed up. deck box is only necessary if you include sleeves, as the player will probably eventually buy a box when they buy sleeves, and the theme deck boxes will suffice for 60 cards without sleeves. a sturdy playmat would be good. sure they'll probably replace that too, so something like thin cardboard or card stock weight paper would be nice, and less folds than the theme deck mats, but I like how they have the tips and placings. good trainers or specialty cards like dark patch/claw, plasma ball/badge/energy, etc that can change a deck and personalize it would be awesome, but something that isn't specific to a type of deck and would allow for customization, like more professor junipers, pokemon catchers, rare candies, ultra balls, whatever. things everyone could or does use but the theme decks don't have, or if they do it's 2 instead of 4.
also, one last thought is maybe a type specific box? not an ETB redesign but something else to supplement theme decks and help make them more unique. for example, my friend will always want to make a dark type deck, despite how good any other types are in competitive play. but, she only has a few dark pokemon, and no dark claw/patch and barely any dark energy. so maybe you add 4 sableye, 10 or so dark energy, maybe if it was possible some black sleeves/box/dice. the Eevee evolutions could even be a part of this, like a mini theme deck for each one where you get 4 eevee's, 4 umbreons, 10 dark energy, etc. this could be a good way for players to get energy they need. perhaps since eevee doesn't cover all the types, it could be a kecleon/arceus/etc kind of thing with a promo card exclusive to that type, similar arceus but with different types and moves/abilities to help a deck that would use it, like if people run psychic for poison and sleep than arceus does more damage like giratina or whatever. another options might be say top 3 types each set get posted until you cover them all, maybe this could be what the tins are? the tins I feel are a weird shape too, and too wide. they could maybe be smaller (fit more on shelves) and designed to hold a deck box, some dice and maybe a few cards (or in my case unclaimed code cards), even with dividers it'd be even better, and it'd be small and convenient enough I wouldn't even need a dice bag. a small spot for poison/burn counter would be cool (maybe the code card slot). I know if I had a tin or box that was narrow and could hold my dice and empty deck box, I'd have it sitting by my deck/discard piles in every battle. Instead of an almost double sized octagon tin.
My biggest adjustment is I go out of my way to get ORANGE dice, sleeves, deck box and mat (no one has mentioned a mat have they), because it's my favorite color and I like everything to match. That being said I have no use for other sleeves, dice, deck boxes, or mats. I'd only trade or sell them, or give them away to a new player. Boosters are nice, but for new sets you can get them ANYWHERE. There's enough fred meyers, walmarts and card shops around that sell them for less than $5/ea that buying a new ETB for $35 for just the boosters isn't enough. I hate having to buy tins just to get a card, I have to create ways to make use of them, and have given away at least 3 of the 5 or so I've bought recently.
Price isn't a big deal, if I'm in need of it and only way to get it is by buying other stuff with it, I'll pay out my ear. I bought many $10 dice sets just to get Orange D20's for damage counters. I like that the poison/burn was plastic, btw. People have brought up promo cards or trainer cards, that sounds cool.
Here's what I think the two best options are, as vague as they may be:
- ETB will be standard for Prereleases, with 6 packs, deck box, promo card etc, and the only thing professors need to hand out is participation/ranked prizes at the end, like how we got Metagross for Plasma Freeze and 2 packs. The deck boxes are only useful to me for the day of the pre-release. Flimsy sleeves would be okay if it meant the cards I intend to trade after the pre-release were kept in better condition through play, really just a sturdy penny sleeve would do.
- make it designed to take a theme deck player into a deck building player. point #1 touched a little on it as far as sleeves go, but ya, a lot of people forget or don't have dice at league somehow, so 12 dice would be helpful, especially if they are D6's. I like that the randomizer is different, as when people use the same for their counters sometimes it can get mixed up. deck box is only necessary if you include sleeves, as the player will probably eventually buy a box when they buy sleeves, and the theme deck boxes will suffice for 60 cards without sleeves. a sturdy playmat would be good. sure they'll probably replace that too, so something like thin cardboard or card stock weight paper would be nice, and less folds than the theme deck mats, but I like how they have the tips and placings. good trainers or specialty cards like dark patch/claw, plasma ball/badge/energy, etc that can change a deck and personalize it would be awesome, but something that isn't specific to a type of deck and would allow for customization, like more professor junipers, pokemon catchers, rare candies, ultra balls, whatever. things everyone could or does use but the theme decks don't have, or if they do it's 2 instead of 4.
also, one last thought is maybe a type specific box? not an ETB redesign but something else to supplement theme decks and help make them more unique. for example, my friend will always want to make a dark type deck, despite how good any other types are in competitive play. but, she only has a few dark pokemon, and no dark claw/patch and barely any dark energy. so maybe you add 4 sableye, 10 or so dark energy, maybe if it was possible some black sleeves/box/dice. the Eevee evolutions could even be a part of this, like a mini theme deck for each one where you get 4 eevee's, 4 umbreons, 10 dark energy, etc. this could be a good way for players to get energy they need. perhaps since eevee doesn't cover all the types, it could be a kecleon/arceus/etc kind of thing with a promo card exclusive to that type, similar arceus but with different types and moves/abilities to help a deck that would use it, like if people run psychic for poison and sleep than arceus does more damage like giratina or whatever. another options might be say top 3 types each set get posted until you cover them all, maybe this could be what the tins are? the tins I feel are a weird shape too, and too wide. they could maybe be smaller (fit more on shelves) and designed to hold a deck box, some dice and maybe a few cards (or in my case unclaimed code cards), even with dividers it'd be even better, and it'd be small and convenient enough I wouldn't even need a dice bag. a small spot for poison/burn counter would be cool (maybe the code card slot). I know if I had a tin or box that was narrow and could hold my dice and empty deck box, I'd have it sitting by my deck/discard piles in every battle. Instead of an almost double sized octagon tin.
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