Net decking and SotG...
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Absolutely not true!
I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with the intent of this, but don't you think that the "at the cost of their humanity" was a bit over the top (in a very funny, LOL way).
Not good to disparage your customers.
Shellshock929
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I have a lot to say about Netdecking. Almost everyone does it, but I don't like it. If I ever use an archetype, I make my own list, or I work on a list with some friends, which is completely different from just looking at the internet for a list copying a deck card for card. I hate that.
BTW, quick question, let's say if someone wants to play MSN, and he makes a list, without looking at the internet for a list, or asking for help. Then they check the MSN in the Pokegym article based on that deck to compare the differences, and it turns out he built the same list as the one on the Article. Is that a coincidence, or does it still count as net-decking? I am not saying I did this, but that's something I want to know.
So my opinion on Netdecking, it's nuts.
-Peter
BTW, quick question, let's say if someone wants to play MSN, and he makes a list, without looking at the internet for a list, or asking for help. Then they check the MSN in the Pokegym article based on that deck to compare the differences, and it turns out he built the same list as the one on the Article. Is that a coincidence, or does it still count as net-decking? I am not saying I did this, but that's something I want to know.
So my opinion on Netdecking, it's nuts.
-Peter
charking
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Nope, I'm dead serious. All I see with the fandom now are uptight jerks who like starting crap because they think they're so 1337 their feces don't stink and they want everyone to suffer that loses to them or that don't even play the way they do.
Pokémon. SERIOUS BUSINESS.
Ummm......is it rather naive of me to point out the easiest way of preventing your deck being net-decked is don't post it in the first place! The fact is that if you post a half-decent deck list then it is going to get copied! It has happened with all the major archetypes i.e Riptide Gatr, BAR, RAMBO,DragTrode etc etc and of course as soon as you play it, it will get metagamed! With virtually all TCG's it is the nature of the beast!
Politoed EX
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I dont post the real list that I use for decks I post, or I just dont post my really good stuff at all because if it is actually as good as I think it is, than I dont want some newb to find my list, make it, than take credit for it. Some kid at my league takes decks he finds off of the net, and then plays them, and that annoys me. Playing an archetype, eh, slightly different than net-decking... lol
[R]Visitor
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Net decking ruins the game for lots of us. Fact.
the_sniper
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[R]Visitor;797435 said:
Yeah, please explain.
ShawofMordor
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Because it gives people another reaon to whine and complain on PokeGym, taking time away from us to actually play and test. :tongue:
The number of people who helped make an archetype is either very tiny or huge depending on what you include in the process of creating it.
Back when I played Blaziken/Ex/Quaza, I took bits from lots of people's ideas, and a few I thought of on my own (that maybe others thought of, too). Yet one difference between my 2nd place GC and Abraham's 1st was largely two Friend Ball.
Lots of people come up with original decks. You must mean, ones that win.
No one should feel bad about not creating an archetype (a deck everyone uses and tweaks), or not winning with an original deck. Statistically, the low number of Archetypes and Tourney winners is ALWAYS going to make that a small group.
No one should feel bad about playing a deck they didn't create from scratch. Your plus or minus in my book is how you treat your opponent. My favorite players are those who can help you enjoy the game, while they are beating you!
What judge discusses included cards or reveals lists?!! Sorry to miss that disgrace. If anyone takes a deck list from a player and does anything more than check the deck and keep it in their file for a year before destruction, I don't think that's Kosher under the Professor program or OP ethics.
OTOH, don't play a deck list in public, then get on this board and bash someone for posting his/her impression of it. That's just boorish & you're trapping people with your expectations -- there is no official code and no legitimate agreement you can make about that. Trying to enforce such a code is thuggish, IMO. Besides, if you can't play your list better than anyone else, then you deserve the record you get after its discussed.
Anyone who wants to punish their definition of a 'netdecker' should just go home. There is no copyright on deck lists! If that fact reduces people to waiting strategically 'til they play their secret list, oh well. That's happening now anyway.
OTOH, those who whine and complain about people purely copying lists are as bad as people who whine and complain when they don't get deck advice or don't get advice they like. Running a list you copied without understanding is its own negative reinforcement.
I disagree. I see plenty of SotG at events, as a player and a judge. Lots of SotG is from the best players.
So true. Why fight it, c'est la vie. You won't change anything.
Actually, not to pick a fight, but the M:tG "publish the top cut" policy is the one change that WOULD solve the following issues:
- Identifying who won first with a particular deck/combo/list
- a matter of official record
- Whining over people copying your list
- its published for them to review, they _could_ copy it
- Demanding and pleading for top lists
- just point to the website
The two things that matter in this game are having fun and winning. We all know who is winning (or we can look it up). You can look around (on the Gym and IRL) and see who is having fun.
Cardzmaster2004
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Can I just say its creepy you brought this point up. My deck for States (what some call "MegaLix", others MSN) was as close to being as in tune as I expected it to be, so I checked the MSN list on the 'Gym. To my surprise (with the exception of around 5 cards), the lists were identical except I ran Mega EX instead of Metagross DX. So, did I Netdeck? No. I just had a freak coincidence happen. But it isn't too much fun knowing this b/c a lot of people will think you've netdecked when you haven't. This happened to me about 5-6 years ago when I developed a Fire/Lightning-based Clefable deck that became very popular back in the WotC days of Unlimited tourneys.
So, is it Netdecking to develop the same deck as someone else? Not in my opinion. though it is very unnerving when it happens.
Everybody has to get their self-esteem from something. Pokemon is as good as any. I applaud anyone who shows excellence at this game, even if they may lack humbleness.
(Life has a funny way of teaching humbleness when one least expects it.)
the_sniper
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(Life has a funny way of teaching humbleness when one least expects it.)[/QUOTE said:
spartan-104
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Cyrus
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Netdecking isn't necessarily something that'd make me lose respect for a player. On the contary, it's a perfect way to get back in if you've been out for ages, and just want to PLAY! Unless you're serious about this hobby, then the last thing you'd want is dedication to playtesting, so archetypes with a rough layout are always perfect resources for those new/returning players trying to get in on the fun.
However, I am bummed about the people who blatantly rip lists, card for card, without even testing it! It only gets worse when they're inexperienced, and, as Jimmy said, they begin to moan and groan. WTG, bud.
This is a strong discussion, so have at it guys. :thumb:
However, I am bummed about the people who blatantly rip lists, card for card, without even testing it! It only gets worse when they're inexperienced, and, as Jimmy said, they begin to moan and groan. WTG, bud.
This is a strong discussion, so have at it guys. :thumb:
Rulemaster
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netdecking? yeah, i used to do that back when i was about 5 years old. all the garbagefolk netdeckers around here make me sick.
i thought it was funny when we showed up at worlds and yamato was playing delta in practice games...so close to our list, too. the japanese don't netdeck? gimme a break lolz0rz.
i thought it was funny when we showed up at worlds and yamato was playing delta in practice games...so close to our list, too. the japanese don't netdeck? gimme a break lolz0rz.
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