Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

New Mulligan Rule???

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Sensei said:
You slacker!I was going to post this last night and you asked me to wait...
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`Sensei
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Now if you had posted it this morning, wouldn't that have satisfied the requirement of waiting? And you get up earlier than I do! :lol:

Sorry Sensei, I couldn't resist, especially since it isn't mentioned in the rulings we posted.

BDS
 
Darkness and Metal are both basic energy types. At the moment the only source of Dark and Metal energy is from special energy cards.
 
Prof. Douglas Zuver said:
(Slightly off topic, but for ScythKing and other people)
By the way, Darkness Energy has moved in the topic: How do you figure out damage? It is now at step number "B" before weakness... If your Darkness Pokemon doesn't do any Damage in an attack then each Darkness Energy does 10 damage anyway, because it is figured in with the base damage.

Thanks -- That is most of the changes I see...
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Ahhhhh - that *is* news. Before the Darkness energy said only if damage was done would it add 10 as its effect. Good to know.... Thanks Doug!
 
League Leader Terry said:
But if Darkness Energy only gives the +10 to Dark Pokemon, would the +10 before Weakness matter for anything but "Dark" Pokemon like Dark Blastoise?
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some attacks that previously did NO BASE DAMAGE now do 10 damage with a single darkness energy attached.

There are lots of pokemon that are weak to either dark type pokemon or have a weakness to apokemon named DARK _____ . A single darkness energy will now do 20 additional damage after aplying weakness.

DARK SCIZOR ANYONE??
 
I think we need a ruling regarding Darkness Energy doing 10 damage with a non-damaging attack.
 
yeah... basically, that would make dark wartortle [rocket]'s mirror shield a tad overpowered eh? One question though, do darkness energies +10 damage stack...? if they do, thats +40 right there.
 


I do not believe that this thread is even here. This information hasn’t even gotten to the TO’s and here it is sprawled out flashing everyone. Yes, this information is in the Sandstorm Theme Deck’s rule book. HOWEVER, it was not given to ANY of the tournament officials running these events prior to events last week and this week BY PUI, therefore this information is not fit for public consumption yet.



By posting this information in midstream you have totally thrown the consistency of rulings and how these events are running down toilet. Would 2 days of sitting on this really cause anyone a coronary? Seeing as how the Sandstorm rule book isn’t legal until Monday September 15, 2003 DaytonGymLeader and I will be abiding by the rules set prior to his leak

 
Guys, just because a retailer either doesn't want to listen on release dates (as Target has done numerous times in the past) or has a special arrangement with a product producer, it's no reason to make the consistency of events go down the tubes. None of this info was EVER passed to TOs from PUI/Nintendo. I'll post this in a list of other gaffes with the Pre-Releases that we experienced hopefully as a learning tool for PUI to take to heart. None of it was ready for public consumption until after the Pre-Releases were completed. BTW, the muligan ruling isn't new. It's been around since late May/early June.
 
"Special Energies have names on them and writing on them.
Basic Energies don't have anything but the word ENERGY at the top.
Basic Energies are Fire, Fighting, Grass Water, Psychic, and Lighting.
All the rest are special Energies"


well your almost right

basic energy CARDS- just have the word energy at the top (there are currently
only fire, water,grass,physic,electric,fighting) there could
be dark and steel of these, however they are not printed
yet, just picture a card with a big dark symbole on the
frount with the word DARK in the tital and thats ALL it
would be (same for steel) but these are NOT PRINTED YET

special energy CARDS- these are the cards with all the text (ie full heal boost, warp and so on) there are dark and steel SPECIAL ENERGY cards (the ones we are famililar with) theoreticly they could print a special energy fire card that did some wacky thing, they could so this for every basic energy TYPE.

basic ENERGY- this is all those little energy symoles we see these have nothing to do with weither or not there is a card printed for them or not the current basic energy types are as follows: fire, water, grass, physic, electric, fighting, dark and steel. dark and steel are basic ENERGY types.

so....................

crystal energy CANT privide a dark or steel becuase the text sayes chose a basic energy CARD attached to the same pokemon, and since there are no BASIC ENERGY CARDS of dark or steel yet.....you cant chose something that does not exist. ;)
 
Dayton guys: I strongly suggest that you use the new Sandstorm rulebook mulligan rules for your event.

Looking at the cards in Sandstorm, there are a ton of Fossil cards (3 different Trainer Fossils and many cards that evolve from them).

If you rule that a player can't start the game with just a Fossil card, you could be having a major impact on potential strategy. It is conceivable that a player could have 4 Fossil cards in their hand at the beginning of the game. They may want to start with that. They may not want any other basics than Fossils.

The rulebook is out there. It is made for use with this set.

Yes, PUSA should have prepped the TOs for this rule change. They didn't. But that doesn't mean you should penalize the players.
 
So we are supposed to sacrifice consistency (we've already run two events before this was announced) because of someone's bad prep? The current WotC rule says you can't start with ONLY A fossil (as it's a Trainer Card when it's in your hand). A implies 1 and only 1 card. So you're saying that I should have allowed someone to start with only 1 fossil card on the table with nothing else so that they lose on first turn? How is that penalizing the player? I see that as saving the player a game loss. We allowed players from the get-go with Nintendo to play MORE than 1 fossil or basics and a fossil to start with. That leap was already made.

Plus, the mulligan rule that is in the Sandstorm Rulebook is the same mulligan rule that is in the RS Rulebook - so that is not a change.

The bigger question is that if the rulebook is leaked early and it's not pushed out to the public via PUI (in a non-retail environment, such as rules chats, email, etc) - when does it become official? My thought is that it comes legal when the set is released to the general public, which is usually after the Pre-Release events. If PUI wants to push the new rules early, they MUST push the info to the TOs AHEAD OF TIME. That point is non-negotiable in my book.
 
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DaytonGymLeader said:
So you're saying that I should have allowed someone to start with only 1 fossil card on the table with nothing else so that they lose on first turn? ...We allowed players from the get-go with Nintendo to play MORE than 1 fossil or basics and a fossil to start with...
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If they're a bad player and make that mistake, yes, they deserve to lose. It seems you are already playing by this rule, for all practical purposes.

Note that the new Mulligan rule gives them the OPTION to start with a Fossil. It does not FORCE them to do so.

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So we are supposed to sacrifice consistency (we've already run two events before this was announced) because of someone's bad prep?
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The only consistency that should matter is within the one tournament. No one is bringing a constructed deck to these prerelease events. As long as they are made aware of the new rule before deck construction begins, it is fair.

DaytonGymLeader said:
Plus, the mulligan rule that is in the Sandstorm Rulebook is the same mulligan rule that is in the RS Rulebook - so that is not a change.
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I'm sorry, my rulebook is still packed from moving. You're saying the mulligan rule about playing with fossils is in the RS rulebook? Then what's the issue?

DaytonGymLeader said:
The bigger question is that if the rulebook is leaked early and it's not pushed out to the public via PUI (in a non-retail environment, such as rules chats, email, etc) - when does it become official? My thought is that it comes legal when the set is released to the general public, which is usually after the Pre-Release events. If PUI wants to push the new rules early, they MUST push the info to the TOs AHEAD OF TIME. That point is non-negotiable in my book.
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I agree with you that a rule change should get some attention and be announced. However, given the focus of Sandstorm on Fossil Pokemon, to say that you won't follow a game rule that was put in the game specifically for the cards that are released in the set that you are running a sealed tourney for... well, I don't see how two wrongs make a right.
 
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No, the mulligan rule that most have been talking about at the events we've run is that they only draw up to 1 card (quite a few players still don't understand that). I consider the fossil issue a separate point, but not what most consider to be the mulligan rule. It adds a new facet to it though.

Also, we've had players come to multiple events. This is the consistency I'm talking about - players expect the ruling to be made the same as last week, save something directly from Nintendo. The rule was "instituted" before the official street date of the new rules.

We allowed players to start with multiple fossils if they so desired, but we did not allow anyone to start with just a fossil and nothing else. We followed the intent of the rule (IMO). Maybe this is something that should be raised to Nintendo for clarification. I do understand that any number can equal 1, but it makes no sense to execute this with just 1 (as it didn't back in the WotC days).
 
Yes being REQUIRED to start with Mysterious Fossil would be a very bad thing for that player.

Starting with a lone baby was bad enough if you went second.

Maybe the problem is that Mysterious Fossil should not be included in the new exception that Fossil Trainers count as basics while in your hand during the initial set up of the game.

Perhaps it is the 10HP that is the error and it really should have joined the other fossil cards at 40HP?

Or as DGL suggests that the rule should be that you cannot start with a SINGLE Fossil.

Another possible solution would be the introduction of intentional muligans. Now where have I heard that idea before ;)
 
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Let me repeat this because not understanding this may be the cause of the problem:

If you only have a Fossil card in your hand you may use that as your starting Pokemon

  • It is optional!!

No one would be forced to start with a lone Fossil.

Does that help?
 
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