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One Side of the AZ States issue(now with both sides post 117)

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As Arizona's Head Judge for almost every event I have been swamped with calls, texts and emails. Since I am not in town and obviously was not at the event I too have been getting bits and pieces of what happen and still do not know all of the goings on. I talked with Patricia at length tonight and so I even know alot more of what went on then what she has in her post. I will not comment on what her and I talked about as that is just the way I am, it was a discussion between her and I and. I know of what happened and what lead to them being late, is it an excuse, NO, but it is real life and something that could not be avoided or overlooked. They are adults and knew what time cut off was and thought that even with there set back would still be on time. Did it work out that way NO! Could something different have been done, from what I know NOW yes, t here were a few options. I still need to talk to a few more people and hear there side of this but it sounds like there was some very poor communication to Patricia that could have avoided this whole ugly mess. As I stated on the other topic regarding the AZ states hearing about this was very uncomfortable for me. I live and promote this game every chance I get. Thats why it was hard for me to understand why things went to the extream they did. The biggest problem is it is something we have never done at ANY event before and in my opinion, again let me say MY OPINION, I don't feel comfortable with using States as a 1st time for this. Regardless of prior warnings being given out because of tardynessthis impacted players who have never been the cause for this to be inforced but were made to suffer for it. In closing let me repeat one e thing, I still think from what I have been told, some simple talking amongst the right people would have avoided all this.
 
Wow a story like this really makes thoes of us who have good PTO's realize how turely fortunant we are.
 
Jaeger said:
Defending your PTO is admerible
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Two seconds of looking at my sig would have revealed that she's NOT my PTO.

But hey, facts don't seem to be a particularly strong point in this thread. Glad it's effectively over now that Patricia has posted her side.
 
Even after reading the PTO's post this still seems like a power trip kind of deal, especially if what Bliz. said in reply to her was true. Another point of this that I haven't seen anyone mention is that the Spookees and Blizz were good friends, who does that to one of their friends AND six others that had no choice in the matter (the ones who weren't driving). Blizz also mentioned they had at least one senior with them (sorry can't remember exactly) which means that person couldn't even drive, therefore they were denied entrance even though they had absolutely no choice in the matter. Honestly, I don't believe that the PTO in question thought the only reason these people were late was because of red lights. Out of a group of seven people someone was bound to tell her what happened. JMO

As others have already stated this makes me appreciate my PTO's so much more, they would never do anything like this for any reason.
 
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Chairman Kaga said:
Two seconds of looking at my sig would have revealed that she's NOT my PTO.

But hey, facts don't seem to be a particularly strong point in this thread. Glad it's effectively over now that Patricia has posted her side.
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Your right I didn't. Wish I would have to. I thought you were some kid who was simply defending his PTO and ignoreing what everybody posted. Instead of some who has been there done that when it comes to these sorts of situations. I'm willing to listen to you when it comes to judging stuff becuase like I said you have experience there far more than I do. But please listen to us when it comes to playing competively. The greatest way to gain points is to play in top cut, by purposely taking a round 1 loss you significantly decrease your chances of playing it top cut. The only way I could see anyone gain an advantage is if they took a round 1 loss and played 2-3 rounds and than dropped for some quick easy points but ratings flucuate so much what little points they would gain is not worth it.
 
I never said it was the brightest idea. It's a huge gambit, for exactly the reasons you and others have described. But it is conceivable, it does work mathematically, and when it works in practice, it does so to outrageous effect.

Also, I know at least one person insane enough to try it.
 
dustinmoe said:
wow ya exceptions where made b/s there not as high ranked as states and i guess in evry tourny when she gives the warning dont be late didnt seem to go through so and i hope you are sorry for making this thread into to such a flame thread and making trish look so bad so and feel sorry for the guy that forgot his insulin that made you guys late but i also think this was bad on your part that you didnt leave way early so there woudnt be a mishap kk
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I didn't make this thread into a "flame war" in fact go back and look how many times I said it was my fault and not to bash Trish. Yes exceptions were made in fact they were made every tourney and every one of them had the same warning posted. Why would I think this tournament would be any different? I was late it was all my fault but why wasn't I given the same verbal warning and game loss that everyone else who was late to an Arizona event this season given. I'm not bashing Trish I'm just trying to understand why and no one not one person have given me an acceptable answer yes she had the right to do this yes we were warned yes we were late No it wasn't on purpose yes the staff knew we might be late yes the staff was informed before the tournament started why we were late but whether you agree with the reason or not how can you justify not letting us play we were not a threat to the integrity of the event. So we should have been allowed to play.

BLiZz
 
Chairman Kaga said:
Two seconds of looking at my sig would have revealed that she's NOT my PTO.

But hey, facts don't seem to be a particularly strong point in this thread. Glad it's effectively over now that Patricia has posted her side.
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Why does her post make this over it still doesn't answer the ultimate question. As far as facts please let me know what I've posted that isn't factual.

BLiZz
 
When I searched for new posts the first two threads were this and the "Deceptive Play" thread.

I find it amusing that PTO's and judges will issue game losses for bluffing and cry "SOTG" but then do something like this. If SOTG is supposed to be the highest standard that we are held by then this PTO should he ashamed.
 
BLiZzArD said:
I didn't make this thread into a "flame war" in fact go back and look how many times I said it was my fault and not to bash Trish. Yes exceptions were made in fact they were made every tourney and every one of them had the same warning posted. Why would I think this tournament would be any different? I was late it was all my fault but why wasn't I given the same verbal warning and game loss that everyone else who was late to an Arizona event this season given. I'm not bashing Trish I'm just trying to understand why and no one not one person have given me an acceptable answer yes she had the right to do this yes we were warned yes we were late No it wasn't on purpose yes the staff knew we might be late yes the staff was informed before the tournament started why we were late but whether you agree with the reason or not how can you justify not letting us play we were not a threat to the integrity of the event. So we should have been allowed to play.

BLiZz
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yes you didnt emply this to be a flame but it has from some posters so i understand your position and like the rest of team watermelon if i was late like you i would be mad two so hope this just gets understood and hope this wont effect the rest of the tournys in the future so ,just keep in mind this is a kids game and not a drama scene so keep this game as freindly and fun as it can be =]
 
dustinmoe said:
yes you didnt emply this to be a flame but it has from some posters so i understand your position and like the rest of team watermelon if i was late like you i would be mad two so hope this just gets understood and hope this wont effect the rest of the tournys in the future so ,just keep in mind this is a kids game and not a drama scene so keep this game as freindly and fun as it can be =]
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BOOM dustin u said it right there ok y should THEY be put out of a (KIDS GAME) for being under 5 min late?
ok and u also say that its supposed to be (FRIENDLY and FUN) well im sure it WOULD have been fun but im sure ppl that r taking this as flame bait and ppl that dont like certain ppl and taking this as an advantage. just ask urself this question have u taking TIME to TRAVEL, MONEY and to shot down for being under 5 min late u truly have no idea how they feel until its happend to u. ive seen ppl get in and they where 15 min late and ppl r gonna say that o cuz it was states u no wut i think if u cant think of this as a FUN game and NOT a compitition all the time then QUIT.
 
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b/c its a top teir 1 or 2 tourny and ya it was a off a little but she says so much not to be late so i think you should listen when she says that so but ya it is a kids game but in tournys like this you have more adults than kids so the adults should know the time be up early enough and get there on time so.
 
wiem0014 said:
When I searched for new posts the first two threads were this and the "Deceptive Play" thread.

I find it amusing that PTO's and judges will issue game losses for bluffing and cry "SOTG" but then do something like this. If SOTG is supposed to be the highest standard that we are held by then this PTO should he ashamed.
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i agree with you andy, and i think this was an unfortunate thing to happen but people really need to stop flaming eachother.
 
My stance, for little as it counts, is this:

"When a game ceases to be fun, people will move on to something else."

While I agree that the rules must be enforced, it seems to me that the rules were not adequately explained to all people involved. If, on the Go-Pokemon website, it was not placed specifically that there would be no way to get in, then it was honestly not a fair example that was made here. Go-Pokemon website is the only official source for information on tournaments, as has been pointed out before. Newer players ( i.e. the two other kids that Bliz mentioned ) will more than likely not be aware of ( or allowed to peruse ) the 'gym, so even if it is posted here, it is always a possibility that one might not get that.

Granted, while that does not make showing up late proper either, it does set the precedent that a round 1 loss will be the base punishment for late arrivals. The 'Gym would be the precedent for those players that know better that they might very well be disallowed from the tournament if they are late... and I would assume those players that know better are the ones that typically get penalties for late arriving anyways.

I am deeply regretful that players were unable to play. The point of the game is just that - to play. To enjoy the game in its fullest, whether you're staffing an event, or showing up to actually compete. I am certain that the way events transpired, it made the day tense for more than just the 7 people who were not able to play... the staff had to be anxious, which usually translates to the players.

Even in a tier 2 event, leniency can ( and should ) be shown. So, while I do not agree with her decision, I do believe it is her right to enforce the rules and penalties as she sees fit.

Communication would have resolved a lot - on both the late arrival's and the PTO's sides.
 
I will repeat this statement since it was not brought up in current posts.

SotG is such he high standard here, then why use the penalty of your out, go away now, thx for wasting loads of money on gas money, etc. I do not believe ANY player is truly that low to want a game 1 loss like that to avoid playing the better players. I good player would actually WANT to play the good players, its a lot more fun, it can bost your rating more.

These players should have been allowed to play, they graced you with their presence. Paid money for gas/food/ etc to get their. The were ready to hang with old friends, meet new friends. Ready to put their decks to the test after hard work of putting the cards together and spending the money on the cards. And this is the result?

This is seriously, TERRIBLE SotG!!!
 
'SotG'?

what about the SotG of every other player who DID manage to get there on time?

why should they continue to make the effort to be up early and leave in plenty of time to arrive during registration if ultimately it doesn't matter as 'exceptions' will be made?

'mom
 
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'SotG'?

what about the SotG of every other player who DID manage to get there on time?

why should they continue to make the effort to be up early and leave in plenty of time to arrive during registration if ultimately it doesn't matter as 'exceptions' will be made?

'mom
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Congrats, they are on time...lets give them a cookie!

I am saying...if they are only a few minutes late..5-10 minutes, then it is respectable. They should be allowed to play. Now, if they were 30 minutes late...then I might understand this. This game is all about fun, and not letting in a few players because the "PTO" believes they will try to sweep up the easy competition, without losing points is quite idiotic. That classifies under bad SotG by the PTO imho. Argue if you want, most would agree with me on that.

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I think it's kinda mean to deny someone if they haven't even started pairings. But if they had started already and someone comes running up, i would deny them too. But if their just checking registration sheets, they could be a little leniant. Is it that awful they came 3 min. late?
 
This is a game, the idea is to encourage people to play it. IF the ywere late then the appropriate penalty is to make them miss the 1st round and enter the tournement in the 2nd round. Heck on year the best player in our state missed the 1st and 2nd rounds and he got into the event still. No one had any problem with that.

Just beacaue you have the power to do something dose not mean that exercising that power is neccessarily the correct thing to do. I would never ever turn someone away from an event I was running, And I can not imaging that 90% of TO/PTO's would ever do so either.

As for players who say that there is an advantage to entering an event with an 0-1 record. Hogwash, if you know anyting about this game you relize how important getting thst 1st win in R1 is if you wish to top cut. Yes you can Top cut still with a R1 loss, but the battle becomes way more difficult if you loose in the first round.

I waited to post until I read both sides, and clearly the PTO did not have any reason to bar theese plyers from the event besides. "I want to start using this rule now and there is nothing you can do about it" That is an extreamly sad attidue for any TO to have and I am really surpised that a PTO would act that way.
 
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