Pokémon TCG's Power Nine?
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Politoed666
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How has Holon Transceiver not been mentioned in this thread yet?
That card defined a format. If you didn't run four, you weren't winning. That simple. No, obviously, the same exact card will never be printed again... but I don't think we'll ever see anything similar. I mean, there's a Holon Supporter for everything. It might as well say "search your deck for a Supporter and add it to your hand."
I mean, we have to consider different formats. You could fill a "power nine" with just cards from Base Set:
Blastoise
Energy Removal
Super Energy Removal
Bill
Professor Oak
Gust of Wind
Item Finder
Computer Search
Lass
...But if we make a list of the cards that were so powerful they were format-defining cards across the game's history, Transceiver certainly makes the list.
That card defined a format. If you didn't run four, you weren't winning. That simple. No, obviously, the same exact card will never be printed again... but I don't think we'll ever see anything similar. I mean, there's a Holon Supporter for everything. It might as well say "search your deck for a Supporter and add it to your hand."
I mean, we have to consider different formats. You could fill a "power nine" with just cards from Base Set:
Blastoise
Energy Removal
Super Energy Removal
Bill
Professor Oak
Gust of Wind
Item Finder
Computer Search
Lass
...But if we make a list of the cards that were so powerful they were format-defining cards across the game's history, Transceiver certainly makes the list.
Cyrus
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The power nine:
I don't think including Pokemon on a power nine list is kind of inappropriate, and moving past any of the first few sets just defeats the purpose of the "power nine" concept.
Is the concept supposed to be "best cards ever"? No, not really. More like "best classic cards."
I don't think including Pokemon on a power nine list is kind of inappropriate, and moving past any of the first few sets just defeats the purpose of the "power nine" concept.
Is the concept supposed to be "best cards ever"? No, not really. More like "best classic cards."
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magneto1992
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From what I seeing so far, pretty much anyone agrees in Super Energy Removal, Lass and NG Slowking. You brought up transcriber, another broken card. But I think people are forgetting about Uxie and Sableye. And to an extent claydol, but even he was not that bad. If we apply bw rules on past formats, he is godly. If not, then he still powerful. And Uxie is another one that thanks to super scoop up (or worse, scoop up) can give you so much hand advantage. Poketurn might be another one. Then again I started playing 4 months before DP-on so what do I know. I was intrudce to a format where you can OHKO pokemon with a double rainbow energy and an infernape.
EDIT: Right after I put this I remember how broken DRE was broken during those 4 months.
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Porii Sames
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Where was that Jason K article on the best cards ever? Cleffa was number one.
magneto1992
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But he took in consideration the time period itself. This power nine will have to be powerful DP-on, HGSS-on or HP-on or even unlimited. In this format is just crobat g bait.
magikarp ex
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Well, due to power creep, alot of the older cards lost power. If you want the best that left an impression on formats, and we won't see for a long time:
Computer Search
Lass
Claydol
Dark Vileplume/Vileplume EX
Super Energy Removal
Scramble Energy
Aerodactyl (Fossil)
Scott (Don't even care, loved it :') Going on the list
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Holon Tranciever
Feraligatr (NG) (Not really so great now though)
Computer Search
Lass
Claydol
Dark Vileplume/Vileplume EX
Super Energy Removal
Scramble Energy
Aerodactyl (Fossil)
Scott (Don't even care, loved it :') Going on the list
)Holon Tranciever
Feraligatr (NG) (Not really so great now though)
sentimentGX4
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If you can't play multiple Professor Oaks in a turn, how are you going to draw those 4 Plus Powers?
Have you met Sabledonk?
butlerforhire
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Crobat G is the only Pokemon card I can think of, aside from the mistranslated Slowking NG, that belongs on any kind of list like this.
Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
I think another prerequisite to be considered "Power Nine" is that the card's quality is, practically speaking, timeless.
Take a look at that list I posted on the last page: could anyone seriously make the claim that a single one of those cards wouldn't be great if made legal today? The only that that'd come even close is Lass.
After this post came up, I became confident that those were the definitive Power Nine of Pokemon.
Take a look at that list I posted on the last page: could anyone seriously make the claim that a single one of those cards wouldn't be great if made legal today? The only that that'd come even close is Lass.
After this post came up, I became confident that those were the definitive Power Nine of Pokemon.
pidgeot from frlg is pretty much viable to be brought back to life, also delcatty from rs...pretty much would be a nice addition to the current gameplay....:thumb:1313
Nick15
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I agree on the timelessness of potential Power Nine Pokemon TCG cards.
I guess another potential prerequisite would be, for lack of a better term, if the card is a perfect example of an abuse of power from within the game, to the degree where players would ask "what were they THINKING when they made this card?!"
Oh, and it would have to cover cards spanning from all the way from the beginning; none of this DP-on or whatnot. And, again, the card would need to be something that is powerful today as it was when it was first released, possibly even stronger when combined with new cards that weren't considered by the time it was initially replaced; essentially its power has NEVER diminished since its release.
There are plenty of good suggestions here, many of which I didn't even consider initially (such as NG Cleffa). When I get a chance I'll compile them into a single list and give my reasons for why something was or wasn't added to the list, and maybe someone could agree or disagree with me.
I also figure that, if there are more than nine cards worthy of being known as the "Power Nine", I would either choose the nine oldest cards, or maybe revise the whole deal and call it the "Power Twelve" or whatever the final number is. In any case, the final list should contain a limited number of cards of unquestionable power as well as showcasing the supreme, well, LAPSE in R&D's better judgement.
I guess another potential prerequisite would be, for lack of a better term, if the card is a perfect example of an abuse of power from within the game, to the degree where players would ask "what were they THINKING when they made this card?!"
Oh, and it would have to cover cards spanning from all the way from the beginning; none of this DP-on or whatnot. And, again, the card would need to be something that is powerful today as it was when it was first released, possibly even stronger when combined with new cards that weren't considered by the time it was initially replaced; essentially its power has NEVER diminished since its release.
There are plenty of good suggestions here, many of which I didn't even consider initially (such as NG Cleffa). When I get a chance I'll compile them into a single list and give my reasons for why something was or wasn't added to the list, and maybe someone could agree or disagree with me.
I also figure that, if there are more than nine cards worthy of being known as the "Power Nine", I would either choose the nine oldest cards, or maybe revise the whole deal and call it the "Power Twelve" or whatever the final number is. In any case, the final list should contain a limited number of cards of unquestionable power as well as showcasing the supreme, well, LAPSE in R&D's better judgement.
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Celio's Network (without Pokemon-ex, it's a powerhouse search card)
Pidgeot (format-defining)
Holon Transceiver (not particularly great on its own, but when used with the HTE, it's one of the most amazing cards ever.)
Claydol GE (format-defining, and useful in virtually anything Unlimited)
Uxie LA (format-defining, and useful in virtually anything Unlimited)
This is in addition to all of the stuff already said.
Original Oak
Original Bill
Computer Search
Original Item Finder
DCE
(S)ER
NG Cleffa
Clefable (aka Zoroark)
Pidgeot (format-defining)
Holon Transceiver (not particularly great on its own, but when used with the HTE, it's one of the most amazing cards ever.)
Claydol GE (format-defining, and useful in virtually anything Unlimited)
Uxie LA (format-defining, and useful in virtually anything Unlimited)
This is in addition to all of the stuff already said.
Original Oak
Original Bill
Computer Search
Original Item Finder
DCE
(S)ER
NG Cleffa
Clefable (aka Zoroark)
Zangoosed
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Trainers:
Super Energy Removal
Energy Removal
Professor Oak
Lass
Computer Search
Scoop Up
Honorable Mention:
Imposter Oak/Rocket's Trap combo
Rocket's Admin
Pokemon:
Slowking Neo Genesis
Cleffa Neo Genesis
Surprised no one has mentioned Fossil Muk, a card that can just sit on your bench and shut off all Pokepowers. A card like that will never be printed again without some kind of a drawback.
Another game breaking card that no one has mentioned was Chaos Gym. I remember a well timed Chaos Gym after you had established board advantage was pretty much game. There will never be another Stadium like that again.
Super Energy Removal
Energy Removal
Professor Oak
Lass
Computer Search
Scoop Up
Honorable Mention:
Imposter Oak/Rocket's Trap combo
Rocket's Admin
Pokemon:
Slowking Neo Genesis
Cleffa Neo Genesis
Surprised no one has mentioned Fossil Muk, a card that can just sit on your bench and shut off all Pokepowers. A card like that will never be printed again without some kind of a drawback.
Another game breaking card that no one has mentioned was Chaos Gym. I remember a well timed Chaos Gym after you had established board advantage was pretty much game. There will never be another Stadium like that again.
pokesam128
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two words crobat ex way better then crobat g and with weezing crobat ex did a flash bite every turn :tongue:
StormFront
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While there is little doubt Fossil Muk would be a very powerful card in our currrent current format. It was was never seen as a viable card back then, because Haymaker deck's were so promenent. Aside you could rely on Goop Gas Attack to block opponents pokémon powers back then. Today we have Dialga G LvX which is a borderline unfair card.
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