Pokemon TCG Unsteady?

[Masquerading Gliscor]

Is there a "nicest player award"? I thought not. So why be nice when I can try to win? I get prize for winning, not for being nice. Put SOTG in that

I would be willing to bet if there WAS a "nicest player award" you would only be nice so that you could win it and you wouldn't mean a single thing you say. Which isn't being nice at all. Thats whats wrong with a "nicest player award"

The rankings are fine, people like you aren't

 

[NoPoke]

Each year we can expect POP to change things. Some minor tweaks along with some bigger changes. We can expect that some ideas will only last one year of trial before being abandoned. Ratings invites with paid trips springs to mind. Its not that it was a bad idea just that it had some negative consequences.

I'm not sure that change means that OP is unsteady. Change means that POP are responsive and are listening - trying to do what is best. One thing that is tricky for OP is that whenever there is change someone will be unhappy, so if there are lots of changes you end up with lots of players feeling unhappy. The past always looks preferable when you can pick and choose your history. The past makes cynics of us all.

I could probably make a long list of things I don't like about OP- things that were better in the old days. But rather than do that if, instead, I take a snapshot of OP as it is now then for the most part it looks pretty good: League, pre-releases, tournaments, worlds, all the stuff that could be won, this board, the community, Dave, Mike at POP (both very approachable).

There is more right than wrong with OP. The future under POP looks good even if I haven't a clue what that future holds.

 

[Rainbowgym]

I could probably make a long list of things I don't like about OP- things that were better in the old days. But rather than do that if, instead, I take a snapshot of OP as it is now then for the most part it looks pretty good: League, pre-releases, tournaments, worlds, all the stuff that could be won, this board, the community, Dave, Mike at POP (both very approachable).

LOL my list would probably even be longer, but still I am happy things are going now.
Doesn't mean it cannot be improved, sure it can.
I only try to look at all thing that have been improved and there are many of them (at least International).
We have many tournaments, we have a trip for sure at Nationals, things who were not certain at all in the past.

To find a Worldwide "standard/balance" for OP is going to take more time, but there is progress.

 

[Spirit Of Mew]

I think the biggest problem people have with the rankings is that they have to play well all season long.

Last year I was terrible and hated the rankings but this year I'm in the top 12 in north america and love it.

That's just my opinion though.

 

[Muk Man]

^ lol there should be, and there should be a "most creative deck" award

If there was i would have to nominate myself...lol

And the only ting ratings has really done is Increase the traffic to pokemon's website. fact is most of those "Top" players you all refer to, have not changed their playstyle at all.
They still netdeck.
They still counter meta-game and
They still have to play and beat everyone else to get to worlds.
They still only play deck that they think will win.
the only difference is that they may play in fewer tournys, or drop more than in the past.
but the fact remains. You must still win to get a trip
be it through rankings, or tournys.

The system is designed to reward thos who win, and those who win consistently. so if you lose nats, but win every other tourney you still have a GOOD chance at worlds. If you finish second at every other tourney but manage to win at nats you have a chance at worlds. if you manage to survive the grinder, you have a shot at worlds.

Example: The patriots won every single game this season but fell apart in the Super Bowl do the deserve to be world champs?

The giants lost 6 games this year, but then settled down and focused and won every game after that. (in fact, they beat every team that beat them in the regular season, in the playoffs, and the super bowl)? so do they deserve to be champs?

Bottom line is If you want the rewards....WIN
stop complaining about how you didn't win but should go to worlds....

 

[UFtroll]

Pokemon is a business and things like trips cost money. The less money you have to spend the more you make. You want to spend as little as possible and not effect your result. Spending is down and attendance is up. Mission Accomplished!

Yes, the prizes are less but here in Florida I see more people attending events. The new people do not know how good we had it! I am sure that the events cost more than the revenue they make selling cards to the players and are subsidized by the non player kids buying cards and other merchandise at target/walmart/etc. They probably subsidize it out of respect for the original concept of this being a trading card GAME and not just trading cards. With the economy worldwide on the decline over the last few months/years I am sure the first thing non player Moms and Dads cut off are things like buying a pack of pokemon cards for $4. That is your economics lesson for the day. Capitalism at it's best and the Japanese are perfecting the economic machine we invented in more than the auto industry.

With that said the way it should work is if you win a gym challenge you get some sort of State prize and States you win either a National paid trip or a paid/reimbursement of trip expenses to Regionals. Regionals to 4 or so should get a paid trip to Nationals. Top 4 or 8 at nationals gets a worlds trip. Top 10 or so in North America gets a paid trip to Worlds and say the top 50 to 100 get an invite but you pay your way.

 

[pat460]

If that's the case
you shouldn't be playing competitively .

Its one of the biggest reasons why I dont

 

[Chairman Kaga]

Rankings make SOTG a more retarded concept. Why should someone care about SOTG if it means loosing a chance at worlds? Why would I care about any single thing in the SOTG if it makes getting that chance harder? If I could do something that is against SOTG(like dropping from an event after round one) to get into world, why wouldn't I? think about it......

Is there a "nicest player award"? I thought not. So why be nice when I can try to win? I get prize for winning, not for being nice. Put SOTG in that

Congrats. In just two posts you've managed to exemplify everything that a player shouldn't be. Impressive.

The whole "win at any cost" mentality is why society in general today sucks. Whatever happened to personal achievement and sense of accomplishment?

Lame.

 

[NoPoke]

I think the biggest problem people have with the rankings is that they have to play well all season long.

Last year I was terrible and hated the rankings but this year I'm in the top 12 in north america and love it.

That's just my opinion though.

Actually you don't have to play well all year, you just have to play well in the latter half of the season. This is even more true this year with the much bigger spread of K values.

last year I tried an experiment where I ignored all my son's early season wins and recalculated his end of year rating. It made very little difference last year and will make even less this year.

 

[SPARTA]

Some of you guys utterly disgust me. Steven Silvestro is one of the best players in the world, with a record of wins and invites I'm sure almost none can match. He was playing in a match when time ran out, and conceded because he knew that should the match play out, he would have lost. Rather than take the cheap win, he gave the win to the person who would have earned it, and gracefully bowed out. Some of you guys would have gone for the win, and there technically wouldn't be anything wrong with that, but don't you DARE throw critizism his way because he stuck true to the spirit of the game. Honestly, Kaga said it best, the "win at any cost" mentality is screwing this game, and this world, up.

 

[rhodesia123]

who was stevens opponent

 

[Masquerading Gliscor]

Some of you guys utterly disgust me. Steven Silvestro is one of the best players in the world, with a record of wins and invites I'm sure almost none can match. He was playing in a match when time ran out, and conceded because he knew that should the match play out, he would have lost. Rather than take the cheap win, he gave the win to the person who would have earned it, and gracefully bowed out. Some of you guys would have gone for the win, and there technically wouldn't be anything wrong with that, but don't you DARE throw critizism his way because he stuck true to the spirit of the game. Honestly, Kaga said it best, the "win at any cost" mentality is screwing this game, and this world, up.

In-game play isn't ALL of what being nice is, have you ever talked to him or heard him talking before? Nice is NOT the word i would use.

How long ago did he do this? was it top cut? and who was his opponent?

 

[Squirtle]

In-game play isn't ALL of what being nice is, have you ever talked to him or heard him talking before? Nice is NOT the word i would use.

How long ago did he do this? was it top cut? and who was his opponent?

Excuse me? If you have a problem bring it up to me via PM/AIM.Out of curiosity what is the word you would use?

But w/e, people usually do resent others who do well.


It was nats top 8, my opponent was Seena G(who I'm not exactly 'friends' with to say the least).Had I won this game I would have had pretty much auto-wins into t2 and a pretty good ludi matchup.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't always concede when time runs out. E.G. I was playing in top cut this year and I won on time. Chances are i would have lost the game. However neither of us were aware of time state so we just let it stand.


So whatever dude, sorry I have more class than your used to seeing



EDIT Who are you?

 

[pat460]

Some of you guys utterly disgust me. Steven Silvestro is one of the best players in the world, with a record of wins and invites I'm sure almost none can match. He was playing in a match when time ran out, and conceded because he knew that should the match play out, he would have lost. Rather than take the cheap win, he gave the win to the person who would have earned it, and gracefully bowed out. Some of you guys would have gone for the win, and there technically wouldn't be anything wrong with that, but don't you DARE throw critizism his way because he stuck true to the spirit of the game. Honestly, Kaga said it best, the "win at any cost" mentality is screwing this game, and this world, up.

Why concede, when you could easily take the win? I dont get the concept there.

 

[DarkJake]

Congrats. In just two posts you've managed to exemplify everything that a player shouldn't be. Impressive.

The whole "win at any cost" mentality is why society in general today sucks. Whatever happened to personal achievement and sense of accomplishment?

Lame.

I think what's funnier is how that example fits perfectly with Vince's.

 

[eriknance]

Why concede, when you could easily take the win? I dont get the concept there.

Because it's the nice, fair thing to do... I don't know. Maybe, just maybe, winning isn't all there is to this game.

 

[SPARTA]

In-game play isn't ALL of what being nice is, have you ever talked to him or heard him talking before? Nice is NOT the word i would use.

Go DIAH. Steve is one of the most respected people on the face of the planet not just because he is an amazing player, but because he knows some things (in fact, most things) are more important than a bunch of silly pieces of cardboard with writing and pictures on them. And yes, I do know him. I've knows him for about 3 years. And if you don't think he is a nice person...
...
...Shhhh
...
...Do you hear that?
...
...Is that?
...
...I think thats the sound of NO ONE CARING....

Why concede, when you could easily take the win? I dont get the concept there.

I wouldn't expect you to =/. Steve is the kind of guy who doesn't need to win every event he attend to to be known as a good player. Heck, he could go to every tounroment, go 0-x, and I would still look up to him and show him the utmost respect. If you are a true champion, you don't need to win to be a winner. He knew that had the game gone on he would have lost, and didn't want to win on time (winning by time is asinine, btw), thus he gave the win to the person who should have won. If you still don't understand that, then you my friend are beyond my help.

 

[bulbasnore]

OK, this thread has become unsteady, since it's gone to personalities. A vote against how this thread was allowed to run, IMO. I don't have time to pass out the desserts for every angry word here that should have been, yah, on PM/AIM (or better... rethought, left unsaid), but I don't guarantee anyone that we wont take the time to handle it next time (or find others who will help mind the decorum on these types of threads) so don't take this as the way things are OK to be... angry accusations & blah. Bring your TCG info, and some kind of solid viewpoint, and leave your boasts & beefs with people somewhere else.