Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Prime Challenge Boxes releasing November 15

I have mixed feelings as well on this. I'm all about trying to keep cards "affordable", but a 40 dollar price tag ( only higher on site around major tournaments such as Nationals ) is far from taboo, and Pokemon has had those price tags on cards for years ( Blaziken EX in 2004, Mew EX in 2006, Latias * was much higher, etc ) with not only no real complaints, but no real availability issue. Cards such as Tropical Beach, with an actual limited release, and huge price tag are a legitimate concern, but a car that topped at 40 is far from cause for concern.

While it makes it easier for players to get, there are pros and cons to this. This is a major issue for Yu Gi Oh, and has been an issue in Magic regarding bannings ( which while not identical in causation, the result os a sharp price drop for a previously very expensive card ). If you allow a card to sky rocket in price, which should always happen due to the way a TCG works, then players WILL buy them. They will spend large sums of money to obtain their set, and also generally keep extras, as Uxie X and Luxray GL Lvl X last format were as good as currency, and very easy to trade for other cards.

These sorts of releases so far past the initial release of a card stings a bit of false advertisement to those players who do buy into cards. If a player, due to the rarity of a card, assumes the value of a card is reasonably safe, and goes through a lot of effort to obtain it ( especially those who DO have less disposable income ) then it sure is a nice slap in the face when a month or two later they not only could have gotten it cheaper, but that the investment they did make ( and whether YOU enjoy the collectible aspect of a Collectible/Trading Card Game, its a part of the system, all cards are NOT intended to be of the same rarity, and whether you feel it SHOULD be this way or not, the consumer is told that there is a rarity scheme and purchase accordingly ) is now shot. Its one thing when an EX or Lvl X card is tinned upon release, but a year+ past printing? Thats a bit more in the grey area.

And to "Waynegg"...your comment came across as very ignorant. "Hoarding"? Oh come on now, lets say you invest heavily in the game. You trade a lot. you get 4 of every card ( and I know COUNTLESS players who do put that much investment into the game ) and you go to tournaments, win some cards, and trade some. How is it "bad" that said person decides to stock up on THE GOOD CARDS for value, or for future trait bait? Would you prefer they are forced to distribute their investment equally amongst cards they do not want? Also, theres nothing wrong with players trading to make money to support their hobby. The number of these cards in rotation is far more than you must think it is if these "terrible hoarders" are driving the price up for you. Players "hoard" cards because they are worth a lot, they aren't worth a lot because they get "hoarded".

Now, I don't play this game anymore, and I sold off all but the bare minimums of my collection, so this doesn't really affect me, and I appreciate that it helps "even the playing field" but I do think it is a bit disrespectful to those who are passionate enough about this game to pay the premium for these products under the longstanding assumption that their distribution would not be altered. It was worse in YGO where cards worth 100+ dollars would get a reprint and take their value down to 5 dollars, and while this is less extreme, if I were a player, it sets a pretty bad precedent and I'd be very reluctant to invest in valuable cards in the future for fear of these types of releases. Its one thing to pay 80 dollars for a Luxray GL Lvl X, because if needed, you can sell it to recoup some of that money, its a whole different ballgame when you can pay 80 for it, and then log online one day and find out a press release just dropped its value to 10.

For every person who wants to praise Nintendo for making it easier to get Card X that you don't own, put yourself in the shoes of those who are also in the same position you are ( struggling to afford the cards to compete ) who DID acquire them at cost.
 
I think it's a good move. :thumb: Making them more accessible removes the very real cost barrier for more people to be able to participate at a higher level of competition.

And I really think it depends on your area meta, I've never faced a TyRam deck. It's mostly ZPST and Reshiphlosian where I am with some DonDragons thrown in for good measure.

However, if there is a HGSS rotation, that will leave us with only 5 sets to choose from (BW, EP, NV, PD/HB and Dark Rush). Maybe that'll be enough, maybe it won't. I think HGSS will make it one more season before it's rotated out personally since they just rotated everything before HGSS this past summer.


But that's just my own .02 and I could be totally wrong :redface:


...Do you realize what you just said? Typhlosion/Reshiram and Reshiram/Typhlosion are the same deck, just opposite order of listing....
 
For every person who wants to praise Nintendo for making it easier to get Card X that you don't own, put yourself in the shoes of those who are also in the same position you are ( struggling to afford the cards to compete ) who DID acquire them at cost.

Those who acquired Yanmega Primes at previous cost got value in being able to use them in events right away and perhaps recoup those expenses. Those who are acquiring them from this box set are trading lower price for less shelf (competitive) life.

Price vs. Competitive Lifespan

It's perfectly fair in my opinion.

It's not like Yanmega Prime didn't get released with Triumphant a year ago.
 
I have mixed feelings as well on this. I'm all about trying to keep cards "affordable", but a 40 dollar price tag ( only higher on site around major tournaments such as Nationals ) is far from taboo, and Pokemon has had those price tags on cards for years ( Blaziken EX in 2004, Mew EX in 2006, Latias * was much higher, etc ) with not only no real complaints, but no real availability issue. Cards such as Tropical Beach, with an actual limited release, and huge price tag are a legitimate concern, but a car that topped at 40 is far from cause for concern.

While it makes it easier for players to get, there are pros and cons to this. This is a major issue for Yu Gi Oh, and has been an issue in Magic regarding bannings ( which while not identical in causation, the result os a sharp price drop for a previously very expensive card ). If you allow a card to sky rocket in price, which should always happen due to the way a TCG works, then players WILL buy them. They will spend large sums of money to obtain their set, and also generally keep extras, as Uxie X and Luxray GL Lvl X last format were as good as currency, and very easy to trade for other cards.

These sorts of releases so far past the initial release of a card stings a bit of false advertisement to those players who do buy into cards. If a player, due to the rarity of a card, assumes the value of a card is reasonably safe, and goes through a lot of effort to obtain it ( especially those who DO have less disposable income ) then it sure is a nice slap in the face when a month or two later they not only could have gotten it cheaper, but that the investment they did make ( and whether YOU enjoy the collectible aspect of a Collectible/Trading Card Game, its a part of the system, all cards are NOT intended to be of the same rarity, and whether you feel it SHOULD be this way or not, the consumer is told that there is a rarity scheme and purchase accordingly ) is now shot. Its one thing when an EX or Lvl X card is tinned upon release, but a year+ past printing? Thats a bit more in the grey area.

And to "Waynegg"...your comment came across as very ignorant. "Hoarding"? Oh come on now, lets say you invest heavily in the game. You trade a lot. you get 4 of every card ( and I know COUNTLESS players who do put that much investment into the game ) and you go to tournaments, win some cards, and trade some. How is it "bad" that said person decides to stock up on THE GOOD CARDS for value, or for future trait bait? Would you prefer they are forced to distribute their investment equally amongst cards they do not want? Also, theres nothing wrong with players trading to make money to support their hobby. The number of these cards in rotation is far more than you must think it is if these "terrible hoarders" are driving the price up for you. Players "hoard" cards because they are worth a lot, they aren't worth a lot because they get "hoarded".

Now, I don't play this game anymore, and I sold off all but the bare minimums of my collection, so this doesn't really affect me, and I appreciate that it helps "even the playing field" but I do think it is a bit disrespectful to those who are passionate enough about this game to pay the premium for these products under the longstanding assumption that their distribution would not be altered. It was worse in YGO where cards worth 100+ dollars would get a reprint and take their value down to 5 dollars, and while this is less extreme, if I were a player, it sets a pretty bad precedent and I'd be very reluctant to invest in valuable cards in the future for fear of these types of releases. Its one thing to pay 80 dollars for a Luxray GL Lvl X, because if needed, you can sell it to recoup some of that money, its a whole different ballgame when you can pay 80 for it, and then log online one day and find out a press release just dropped its value to 10.

For every person who wants to praise Nintendo for making it easier to get Card X that you don't own, put yourself in the shoes of those who are also in the same position you are ( struggling to afford the cards to compete ) who DID acquire them at cost.
This is so obnoxious my eyes almost exploded. Writes a novel of a rant, disses a mod, and then says it doesn't effect him. You mad bro? Not everyone has the cash for a 160$ playset. I'm pumped and think it is a great idea.
 
glad i just got rid of five yanmegas for $90 and a box of EP ;/

This is also a great idea for new players but Undaunted? Really? HGSS or Unleashed are much better choices.
I guess the Eeveelutions sell well though.
 
The Undaunted PCDs are very, very good introductions into the game. Take a look at the lists for those two. They were probably the first two PCDs universally praised for being semi-playable right out of the box. You can find the lists on SteveP's decklist creator at the top of this page. Generally solid evolution lines, multiples of the respective Rares, only 18 energy total, and only 4 Infinite Reprint Trainers.

Plus, they come with a Booster Pack inside, just like the Triumphant PCDs.

So what you're really getting in each of these is this...

A decent PCD
A Prime that works well with said PCD
An extension of a main stage 2 evolution line in each of the PCDs
3 booster packs
An online code that opens both the PCD , the Prime, the bonus evolution line, and 3 Booster packs

Forget about the Prime and the Stage 2 line for a second. The PCDs cost $12 individually at WalMart. Boosters are $4. Even if you're just talking about 2 boosters, that's already $20 for just the PCDs and the Boosters. You then get a semi-competitive Prime card at worst, a bonus Holographic Stage 2 evolution line, and a TCGO card that opens all of this stuff online. Let's not mention that the cheapest Prime in here is probably a $5 card minimum, and the most expensive is one of the most dominant cards in the metagame at the moment, and even with this pack, will still probably Ebay for $15.

I can't really think of a better deal out there in Pokemon cards at the moment.
 
Those who acquired Yanmega Primes at previous cost got value in being able to use them in events right away and perhaps recoup those expenses. Those who are acquiring them from this box set are trading lower price for less shelf (competitive) life.

Price vs. Competitive Lifespan

It's perfectly fair in my opinion.

It's not like Yanmega Prime didn't get released with Triumphant a year ago.

The person who paid $120 last week for 4 yanmega has the same "competitive lifespan" as the player that buys them in these box sets. It's not so bad for the person whose had them a year, but the person who just got them definitely will have buyers remorse.
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This is so obnoxious my eyes almost exploded. Writes a novel of a rant, disses a mod, and then says it doesn't effect him. You mad bro? Not everyone has the cash for a 160$ playset. I'm pumped and think it is a great idea.

He brought up valid arguments to correct misconceptions about card value and price while you sat there with your 3 lines of text defending a mod and asking if he was mad. How about some actual counter arguments....

You sound mad.

Anywhoo,

What a slap in the face for anyone who's every purchased or pulled a Yanmega from a pack. You no longer have the valuable, rare, and sought after card that you thought because Nintendo decides to reprint Yanmegas A YEAR AND A HALF after release.

Congratulations to those who now have the opportunity to play the card now since the price barrier is nearly non-existent, but I can't help to think that the people who have invested into the card for it's value have been betrayed by the system that they've invested so much into. Like ruiner said, a $40 is nowhere near outrageous considering the prices that Luxray lvX saw last format.

...and to waynegg, please check your condescending posts at the door and leave the lectures about hoarding out of this. Collectors and dealers who have stocked up on Yanmegas for value, playbility, or whatever reason are taking a significant loss because of this. You have no insight on why jeffrey123 has 20 Yanmegas, and are in no position to demean him when he is set to lose over 75% of his card's value seemingly overnight.
 
Here's my take on this whole thing: Had they released this 6 months ago, THEN I would understand the arguments against it. But they didn't. Triumphant has been out for quite some time. Yes, Yanmega has only been relevant for a short time, but that's irrelevant and an artifact of a bad format. What matters is we've all had quite some time to get Yanmegas, and to use the Yanmegas we've acquired. I see no problem re-releasing a competitive card once it becomes more difficult to acquire the set it came from.
 
Those who acquired Yanmega Primes at previous cost got value in being able to use them in events right away and perhaps recoup those expenses. Those who are acquiring them from this box set are trading lower price for less shelf (competitive) life.

Price vs. Competitive Lifespan

It's perfectly fair in my opinion.

It's not like Yanmega Prime didn't get released with Triumphant a year ago.

You can't possibly believe what you just said.

With Regionals, Cities and STates JUST STARTING again, you cannot possibly believe the diminished "competitive life" of the card justifies a >75% price decrease.
 
Those who acquired Yanmega Primes at previous cost got value in being able to use them in events right away and perhaps recoup those expenses. Those who are acquiring them from this box set are trading lower price for less shelf (competitive) life.

Price vs. Competitive Lifespan

It's perfectly fair in my opinion.

It's not like Yanmega Prime didn't get released with Triumphant a year ago.

And, what about the people who saved since Nats to buy a set and decided to buy in the last several weeks, in order to use them at regionals. Where is their Price Vs. Competitive lifespan for those sets?


This is so obnoxious my eyes almost exploded. Writes a novel of a rant, disses a mod, and then says it doesn't effect him. You mad bro? Not everyone has the cash for a 160$ playset. I'm pumped and think it is a great idea.

Because Mods are Mods does not mean they can not be called out to being insensitive (or wrong, or downright callous). The said Mod "dissed" someone before being "dissed" back. As far as I am concerned he had it coming.

Not affecting him financially is different than not affecting him. He has a love for the game, so if it effects the game (now or in the future) it does have an effect on him.
 
Here's my take on this whole thing: Had they released this 6 months ago, THEN I would understand the arguments against it. But they didn't. Triumphant has been out for quite some time. Yes, Yanmega has only been relevant for a short time, but that's irrelevant and an artifact of a bad format. What matters is we've all had quite some time to get Yanmegas, and to use the Yanmegas we've acquired. I see no problem re-releasing a competitive card once it becomes more difficult to acquire the set it came from.

Totally wrong.

Had they released this 6 months ago, Yanmega's would have never reached the $40 and $60 price tags that it did, and everyone would have been able to get copies without shelling the prices people were asking for them. That would be okay, nobody looses and everyone gets a playset of a valuable card.

Conversely, to artificially deflate the price after the bubble, 1.5 years into the cards life is absurd given the market that has already developed for the card. You are literally robbing people of their card's value. That is wrong.
 
Eh . . . if TPCI want to make a desirable card more widely available, good luck to them. The card will be near-worthless once it's been rotated anyway. People have had plenty of time to make their profits.

I hope people enjoy their cheaper Yanmegas and make some good decks out of them. That's what the cards are there for, right?
 
Great. Now my 20 yanmegas are 5 each. THANKS POKEMON!!!!


Nothing towards the person who said this, but this kind of statement is why I left YGO.
I do not know how or WHY you have that many, but I am sure that if you can afford that many you can afford the lost (Unless you are a hoarder, who tries to make money off of the game their MAIN focus. There is nothing wrong with making money off of the game, but if you are a player who hoard the cards, then I have a problem.)
Besides when it comes to having a card worth something or having it easier to acquire for competitive play, I always choose the later(Competitive play).
FYI, I do have my playset, but you will not hear me complaining about how "O I lost my investment". There is another site for that.
 
Wow, this blew up fast. :)

I just want to put in a couple points, take them or leave them.

1) Yes, it is a bummer that the people who have Yanmegas will see a sharp decline in their value on the secondary market. I know this sound mean, but welcome to the real world. People buy and sell stuff all the time on speculation and the market can change at ANY given time. This is true in collectables, the stock market, banks, housing, etc. In general, it is assumed that people know the risks they are taking when the buy stuff on a relatively free market. They know that the price will never stay peaked. They know that at some point in time they will have to sell or lose value. That's life. People get burned by this stuff all the time.

2) Pokemon has repeatedly stated that the secondary market is not authorized by them and it is not a factor when they make decisions. Their decisions are based on profit potential and game health.

-First, this is a great profit idea. They are bound to have overstock of the theme decks from this period. They are likely going to be rotated out of the format at the end of this year. So, they need a way to move the product. Well, it just so happens that the Verdant Frost Theme Deck had Yanmega and Mamoswine in its stock list. What better way to move that product than to add in bonus cards that fit the deck: an extra Mamoswine line and Yanmega Prime to go with the Yanmega line in the deck. This is about clearing inventory and it is a great move.

-Second, this is undeniably good for the competitive scene. Anyone who tries to deny that is just wrong. It is always good for more players to have better access to the best cards. People (i'm sure some of whom are complaining about this) hate luck in this game. Well, this is another fashion of reducing luck. It is not "fair" for people who have less money to not be able to play the best decks. This creates another "luck' based variable in the game. You could have the absolute best Pokemon strategist locked out of competition due to card price. Well moves like this level the playing field. They allow more players the access to better decks. This should increase the amount of skill required to win events. Any true competitor would welcome this.

3) People also (i'm sure some who don't like this move) want to be more in line with Japan. Many wonder, with anger, why Pokemon Int. does not bring over the starter decks with EXs, Primes, and Lv.Xs in them. Well, this is a set in that direction.

Again, I am sorry to people who lose value here, but that's the risk you run when stepping into the secondary market. It is a risk that everyone knows about.
 
Wow, this blew up fast. :)

I just want to put in a couple points, take them or leave them.

1) Yes, it is a bummer that the people who have Yanmegas will see a sharp decline in their value on the secondary market. I know this sound mean, but welcome to the real world. People buy and sell stuff all the time on speculation and the market can change at ANY given time. This is true in collectables, the stock market, banks, housing, etc. In general, it is assumed that people know the risks they are taking when the buy stuff on a relatively free market. They know that the price will never stay peaked. They know that at some point in time they will have to sell or lose value. That's life. People get burned by this stuff all the time.

2) Pokemon has repeatedly stated that the secondary market is not authorized by them and it is not a factor when they make decisions. Their decisions are based on profit potential and game health.

-First, this is a great profit idea. They are bound to have overstock of the theme decks from this period. They are likely going to be rotated out of the format at the end of this year. So, they need a way to move the product. Well, it just so happens that the Verdant Frost Theme Deck had Yanmega and Mamoswine in its stock list. What better way to move that product than to add in bonus cards that fit the deck: an extra Mamoswine line and Yanmega Prime to go with the Yanmega line in the deck. This is about clearing inventory and it is a great move.

-Second, this is undeniably good for the competitive scene. Anyone who tries to deny that is just wrong. It is always good for more players to have better access to the best cards. People (i'm sure some of whom are complaining about this) hate luck in this game. Well, this is another fashion of reducing luck. It is not "fair" for people who have less money to not be able to play the best decks. This creates another "luck' based variable in the game. You could have the absolute best Pokemon strategist locked out of competition due to card price. Well moves like this level the playing field. They allow more players the access to better decks. This should increase the amount of skill required to win events. Any true competitor would welcome this.

3) People also (i'm sure some who don't like this move) want to be more in line with Japan. Many wonder, with anger, why Pokemon Int. does not bring over the starter decks with EXs, Primes, and Lv.Xs in them. Well, this is a set in that direction.

Again, I am sorry to people who lose value here, but that's the risk you run when stepping into the secondary market. It is a risk that everyone knows about.

Well said :)

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Adamisclassy: Remind me next time to write incomplete, vague, or otherwise irrelevent posts next time, simply to keep them shorter, opposed to ones including actual valid thought. No problem.

Waynegg took a post by someone complaining about their issue with this release, which while coming off as a bit whiny, was completely inoffensive in its wording and intent. His response to this was aggressive and attacking, so no, I don't feel like I was "unjust" in "attacking a mod". Being a Moderator gives one absolutely NO privilege in my mind from criticism, and I'd say the same things to any non Moderator member of this board.

Am I mad? Absolutely not. Last year was my last year playing. I sold off my collection, and currently play Magic exclusively. I judge events so I can stay in touch with my friends who play the game, so what happens to this game value wise literally could not mean LESS to me, as someone who has no intention of even OWNING cards. The only thing that might make me "mad" is ignorant, naive trite posts by moronic Pokegym posters. So there, theres a little bit of anger. Now grow up.

( side note: ironic screen name )

Now, Ajhawk's post was actually quite good, and brought up valid points. Stupid well-structured, organized and thoughtful commentary. Watch out...might have Adam on your case any moment now.

Anyways, there is risk to investing in cards. And it is NOT Nintendo's requirement to adhere to its investors/consumers. Yet it does send a bad message to those who do end up buying a lot of their product. Just because a player/buyer knows the risk of holding a card doesn't mean they aren't given guidelines as to what the card's value will look like in the long run. Cards fluctuate based on playability, and change with each released set, and format rotation. Yet these are anticipated. I'm not saying Nintendo can't release more reprints, but I AM saying that these decisions have incurred tremendous backlash in Magic and Yu Gi Oh, so just be mindful of the message it sends players. It really does anger a substantial portion of the secondary market, particularly those who DO buy more cards, which, unfortunately, from a producers stand point, IS a more important market.

I'll use Magic as an example. They have what is called the Reserve List. This is a list of cards they are FORBIDDEN to ever re-print or re-release. This was done as a REACTION to the negative backlash they received over reprinting popular/valuable cards. In order to insure security to those who do want to collect valuable cards, they made sure players knew where cards stand. But hey, I guess my "theory" on reprinting too much is completely unfounded and has no prior evidence supporting it, right? Minus the fact its already happened to two games, one of which implemented an entire policy directly because of it.

The Pokemon TCG is two things. A game, and a collectible. Most of the people on this thread are players, but a good portion of those who buy cards are also collectors, and they have every bit as much interest in this game as you do, and should be viewed as a respected demographic as well. I've argued in favor of supporting organized play more then it currently is to benefit players for years now, because it does not have any negative reprocussion to those who do not play this game competitively. Yet when a decision benefits one demographic of a game DIRECTLY at the cost of another, I am far more hesistent to blindly call it strictly a "good idea". Yanmega's value wasnt even close to high enough to provide a problem based on previous precedent set by this very game for over a decade. Yanmega is far from necessary in a deck, and if you don't want to invest in the card, its not like you cannot play competitively, as looking at BR results, Yanmega was used in a small portion of the winning decks.

But to address AJ's points:

Yes, it is overall better for the competitive scene. I'm not sure by how much, as I don't see very many players who have won tournaments really not able to get Yanmegas or cards outside of say, Beach, anyways. This aspect of it is purely a pro, although it doesn't come without a cost to those players who already bought the cards.

Pokemon is not obligated to adhere to any sort of secondary market expectations, but at the same time, they have to acknowledge that their decisions WILL impact the opinions of their consumers. It is a bad PR move towards those that do care about the value of their cards. Whether it is their primary M.O. to cater to this demographic or not, they can't just IGNORE the message their decisions send either. Should a politician be bound to cater to each of their constituents demands? Of course not, but don't expect them to vote for you in the next election either. This ties into the first point you made as well, where all investor markets can fluctuate, but you don't see Tops or Upper Deck re-releasing old rare baseball rookie cards into the market 10 years after the fact because it will spike a sale and allow "everyone to have one". Its called being responsible with your product. I understand that TCGs are a difficult breed because they have to cater to both players and collectors, but while Pokemon is a GAME, it is ALSO a collectible, and if you aren't willing to at least respect the interests of the half of the games fans who DO collect ( and hey, a large motive behind collecting IS value, especially in a rough economy where some degree of return on cards, if necessary, is a nice safety net for your disposable income ) then that is being selfish.
 
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