psychup2034
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Tropical Beach? :lol:
Prize support is disappointing
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Tropical Beach? :lol:
Victory Bell
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Everyone thought the card was awful the night before worlds, not gonna lie.... Pokemon probably didn't intend the card to be good in the first place.
There's not a lot to say here... It's pretty clear the reward doesn't fit the title, but it depends on Pokemon's budget. We can't say much to change that.
But we CAN give them our money at nationals. I know I would.
Pokeplayer101
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Tropical Beach is good bacause Ross Cawthon made T2 and put the card in his deck and did outstanding with it.
baby mario
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You got that the wrong way round.
Ross put Tropical Beach in his deck because it was good. The card didn't magically become better through him playing it.
King Piplup
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Beach is good. Ross just had the smarts to realize it in that amount of time.
ShadowGuard
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Uhm lol?
Almost everyone I know, including me, said it was playable before Ross even made top cut.
And also, a lot of people were trading for English beaches early.
K2theAblaM
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This would be amazing. Have some random promo card stamped "Top 32" for nationals would be sooooooo awesome.
TheDancingPeanut
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I generally agree with the OP's sentiment. However, I also think that the Play! Pokémon budget is much, much smaller than most of us anticipate. If I had to guess, and I don't know, I would guess that it's a sliver (not even close to a majority) of the marketing funds allocated for the TCG.
There has never been great prize support in this game, and since the lack of prize support doesn't seem to be holding back growth, I'm not sure why Play! would skip elsewhere to increase it.
There has never been great prize support in this game, and since the lack of prize support doesn't seem to be holding back growth, I'm not sure why Play! would skip elsewhere to increase it.
Pokeplayer101
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Yeah and how magneto1992 showed us the Yu-gi-oh prize support, Pokemon and Yu-gi-oh's budget are different.
magneto1992
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See that's another point yugioh only has a age category (you have dragon dueling i guess but it is not as widely know and very few players play on it). So in reality Pokemon has to distrubute more players top cutting. I think the best thing ever would be mats or promos. Imagine a Dakrai EX that says "TOP 4" Nationals. The prize for the card itself would be huge, you are not forced to have to have it to play, and it is great honor to have it on your deck. :thumb: of course a mat would be nice.
GodBlessAmerica
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I feel like the seniors division and juniors division should be combined, making 2 divisions. I feel like the Juniors/Seniors division should be those under the age of 18, and those over 18 would be masters.(Maybe rename the age groups "Minor league" or "little league" for Juniors/seniors and "Major League" for Masters?)
This way the prize support wouldn't be stretched as much. At the very least, I think juniors and seniors should be given less prizes than Masters. Ty Wheeler won a 300 person event and got the same amount of prizes as John Roberts II who won an event more than 3 times the size of the event Ty won.(I'm talking about 2012 Nationals)
At worlds it's fair to award the same prizes to each division, even though it is naturally harder to win in masters, because there are pretty similar attendance numbers for each division.(exact attendance in the theoretical situation where all 128 seats in the event are filled)
The metal capabilities and strategic understanding necessary to play Pokemon of the among: the average 8 or 9 year old (junior), the average 12-14 year old (senior) and an 18 year old (master under current system, "Minor league " under your proposed system) is very different.
It would not be fair to have a 7 year old play vs an 18 year old.
So you think juniors/seniors should be given less prizes? It sounds like you are suggesting that P!P take prizes away from juniors/seniors? Isn't that counter productive? I thought a lot of players think that prize support the way it is "disappointing", wouldn't taking prizes away from juniors/seniors be even more "disappointing"?
ShadowGuard
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2 divisions would be a good idea, taking into account that masters usually outnumber seniors und juniors. However, I'd put the cut a little lower (13-14 years), cause the oldest senior players can compete with masters, while juniors can't really compete with the oldest senior players (just my tournament experience).
There actually are a few tournaments with more seniors than masters (best example are Austrian Nationals 2008-2009). Therefor, you can't just generally say that lower age groups get less prizes. Should a player not be able to win the biggest prize just because he's younger? The only fair solution would be to determine prize support individually by player number of that age group and tournament, which would either mean an admission fee or come with heavy logistical costs.
Rainbowgym
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This year, for the first time I am playing this game (so in 10 years) I had ONE free event in my country -> Nationals
All the time we have been paying 5 Euro for each tournament and sometimes even 10 or 15 Euro to play Nationals.
Paying a fee was not because we get "more" prizes, to be honest we got less in the past (even while paying a lot).
Paying a fee did not grow the game, it stops growing the game.
Asking money to play is a bad idea, most of all if the game is made for younger players.
All the time we have been paying 5 Euro for each tournament and sometimes even 10 or 15 Euro to play Nationals.
Paying a fee was not because we get "more" prizes, to be honest we got less in the past (even while paying a lot).
Paying a fee did not grow the game, it stops growing the game.
Asking money to play is a bad idea, most of all if the game is made for younger players.
jeffrey123
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I don't care about growing the game. I guess that sounds brutal, look at it from a player's perspective. I have to play more rounds, beat more people... to get to the same place, with no extra prizes. If Pokemon wants to grow this game, they need to start giving out more. I could care less about a T shirt that EVERY PLAYER gets. The players who DO WELL deserve to be treated to something more than what anyone else gets. Top 128 US Nationals is much more difficult that other WINNING ANOTHER COUNTRIES NATIONALS. Not saying every country, but there are a few I could list with ease. That's saying something. That is a problem.
I think that paying money is a fabulous idea. Or if you think younger players wont, you could just let Juniors and Seniors not pay to play, then let them get nothing when they top 64 the biggest tournament in the world. That would leave a great taste in their mouth, and i'm sure they'd love to continue playing when they could've been sucking their thumb and watching cartoons instead.
For the record, I love this game. I won't stop playing unless I am physically unable to. However, I speak for majority of the community when I say that a $5 fee is small to pay for the output it would result in. I am sure you know that there are 1000+ masters per US Nats. This means $5000 in prize support for players. Every player participating could get a booster pack, and there would be $1000 left for prize suppport. It's really ignorant to say that Pokemon doesn't have the budget to do this. They'd be making MORE money.
I know that top cut deserves WAY more than what they got. Even top 16 etc that did get worthwhile prizes. Be happy with what you got is not the answer. Even if I didn't cut, I would still argue this point.
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I think that paying money is a fabulous idea. Or if you think younger players wont, you could just let Juniors and Seniors not pay to play, then let them get nothing when they top 64 the biggest tournament in the world. That would leave a great taste in their mouth, and i'm sure they'd love to continue playing when they could've been sucking their thumb and watching cartoons instead.
For the record, I love this game. I won't stop playing unless I am physically unable to. However, I speak for majority of the community when I say that a $5 fee is small to pay for the output it would result in. I am sure you know that there are 1000+ masters per US Nats. This means $5000 in prize support for players. Every player participating could get a booster pack, and there would be $1000 left for prize suppport. It's really ignorant to say that Pokemon doesn't have the budget to do this. They'd be making MORE money.
I know that top cut deserves WAY more than what they got. Even top 16 etc that did get worthwhile prizes. Be happy with what you got is not the answer. Even if I didn't cut, I would still argue this point.
~IWS
The one thing that bothers me the most is the vast majority of invites coming without trips, and the location of Worlds. While on the surface having Worlds in Hawaii is amazing, it's economically impractical for most people to get out there. It has to be especially heartbreaking for the kids in the lower age divisions who work their tail off at qualifying for Worlds, only to be told that they can't use their earned invite because the family cannot afford $3-5k for flight/hotel/etc.
This, I believe, is the true crime of Pokemon's lack of prize support.
This, I believe, is the true crime of Pokemon's lack of prize support.
Victory Bell
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Everyone I knew said it was bad. Mostly because we were unaware of the niche use the card has in Ross' titular deck beforehand. However, outside of that, it's bad, always has and always will be. I couldnt see the card being useful without having prior knowlage of the deck being good. After Ross stopped being played the price plummeted for a good reason.
ANYWAY, I wouldn't support paying for events outside nationals and maybe regionals. Nationals is most logical. The strongest argument in favor of it is certainly how much the trip costs anyay, regardless of sticking the fee on there. Even 5/10 dollars from every player would certaInly help our prizes out. FamilIes with a lot of people already have huge expenses. If they can afford to play Pokemon as a family (say a family of 5) they can most likely afford 50 bucks for nationals and still be able to afford those 5 plane tickets they need I'd think. I think anything above 10 dollars as an entry fee is a bit radical.... Fair, but still a bit up there. IMO. then I could see the problems with the concept.
GodBlessAmerica
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Juniors are happier with what they get, mainly because most of them don't know the value of money. They'll be happy if you give them tons of packs and plush toys with lower scholarships. Seniors are a tad harder to please, and they are going to want more money instead of packs other memorabilia. Masters have the biggest need for scholarship money since they're probably paying their way through college which makes it harder for them to keep paying to play the game. They also make up a majority of the player base on average. I'm not saying that Masters should get more because I'm a master, I'm saying it because it makes the most sense. Is it seniors division players fault? Of course not, but there is no reason a person winning a 200-300 person tournament should be awarded the exact same amount of prizes as a person who wins a 1000+ person event.
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