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Pidgeotto Trainer said:
The World Championship is for the world's best. If the US has half of all the players in the world (for example), then they probably have 32 of the best 64 players in the world. Don't bring up interest in the game.
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The World Championship is partially made for the world's best, but that isn't the main goal of the tournament. How could you say that was after last year's cut in invites? That makes no sense one bit. Having a tournament based on all the world's best players and only allow 30-something from the US. Or 1-2 from other countries. That makes no sense what so ever.

Why can people not understand that the World Championships is about more than just seeing who the best in the World is?

Maybe they need to change the name of it or something...
 
Come on! It doest cost POP much to pay a few trips. It sounds really ugly to say that some countrys dont get trips, cause theirs not enough sales/players.
 
A tournament with the best players in the world trying to figure out the best of the best player in the world. I wonder what we should call it...

Prime, who are you to state for who and what the world championship is made for? I really wonder what the competitors are really thinking when they walk into the world championships. Are they really thinking, "am I representing my country so my country can win worlds?" or are they really saying, "I want to win worlds because I want to be the champion." I think the people who actually get invites really have their say about that.
 
Dante63s said:
Come on! It doest cost POP much to pay a few trips. It sounds really ugly to say that some countrys dont get trips, cause theirs not enough sales/players.
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Lets do the math....a JR/SR and some MA players are under 18, meaning a legal guardian/parent has to be pd for also. So, for each trip, basically double that for PUI....2 RT flights, 4 nights in a hotel where it costs a min. 100 bucks per night. Lets say the average RT ticket in the USA is 400 to FL and back. PUI just put out 800 for flights, 400 for hotel and that is just for one invite + trip in the USA. ($1200) Overseas.....count on doubling that easily. Now, multiply that by the number of invites and PUI spends a whole lotta cash on the tourney. Dont forget, they also have to fly in judges, other staff and PUI employees for set up and running said tourney. You also have to fly in the international judges and interpretors. Hmmm........not so small a budget now, is it??

Keith
 
Prime said:
Why can people not understand that the World Championships is about more than just seeing who the best in the World is?
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No, I'm pretty sure that is the main purpose of any World Championship. I'd like to see some kind of advertisement about Worlds that is NOT along the lines of, 'see who the best in the world is'.
 
A tournament with the best players in the world trying to figure out the best of the best player in the world. I wonder what we should call it...
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The Pepsi Pokemon Invitational Pepsi Tournament for Those Who Hate Coke: Brought to You by Pepsi.
 
Really hard to argue that the best were not there last year.

A few players will always be on the outside looking in, feeling that they deserved to be there.

A few players will also be there looking up sheepishly, amazed that they had the luck to get there.

'tis the nature of the beast.

Heck, sponsor the event with Sour Grapes, and we will have it fully paid for in no time!

Vince
 
Pidgeotto Trainer said:
No, I'm pretty sure that is the main purpose of any World Championship. I'd like to see some kind of advertisement about Worlds that is NOT along the lines of, 'see who the best in the world is'.
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Exactly, worlds as a tournament over national representation is only your definition prime, don't put words in our mouths. Maybe you should make your own side event at worlds and call it the pokemon olympics.
 
Lawman said:
Lets do the math....a JR/SR and some MA players are under 18, meaning a legal guardian/parent has to be pd for also. So, for each trip, basically double that for PUI....2 RT flights, 4 nights in a hotel where it costs a min. 100 bucks per night. Lets say the average RT ticket in the USA is 400 to FL and back. PUI just put out 800 for flights, 400 for hotel and that is just for one invite + trip in the USA. ($1200) Overseas.....count on doubling that easily. Now, multiply that by the number of invites and PUI spends a whole lotta cash on the tourney. Dont forget, they also have to fly in judges, other staff and PUI employees for set up and running said tourney. You also have to fly in the international judges and interpretors. Hmmm........not so small a budget now, is it??

Keith
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Yeah it does go up, but for whay I see, they make a lot of money with this game, that does not cost much to make. The simple fact is that their are lots of players that play this game to try to win a trip, if you take the trip away from them, they will stop playing this game :frown:
 
Articjedi said:
Prime, who are you to state for who and what the world championship is made for?
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Who am I? I do not state anything without information. I made this EXACT same post a while back when someone called me out, and instead of just finding my post and posting it again, I'll do the research and bring you the information.

Quoted: M_Liesik, 05/01/07 | http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?p=834248#post834248
Try thinking of Worlds as country vs country, rather than "the best players in the world." You're (ideally) taking the best players in each country and playing them off against each other to find out who the best is.
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Professor Dav said:
If all the players we invite are from the US, what is our motivation to run the WORLD Championships?
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Great Post below:

Professor Dav said:
No, we don't fail to realize that at all.

In addition, what you may fail to realize is that there were over 200 players from the US participating in Worlds last year out of a total of approximately 398 players. You also are only pointing out that the US has lost a few invites, but not that the total invitation numbers will remain the same this year. Meaning, that we are keeping the attendance levels the same, just not for 'you'.

Also, our data doesn't support the assumption that the biggest growth is in the US. International player base, and sales numbers are up consistently over the last several years, so what about them?

Whether or not it's you, or others saying this, I'll reiterate that the general tone I've gotten from this entire topic is extremely ethnocentric, and self concerned. You want the world to be better represented, but not if that means the US loses invites. So, the only assumption left is that you want the total attendance increased across the board to create this balance.

You really need to look no further than Magic: The Gathering to see a number of flaws in your arguments. The DCI has more players than POP, likely by several thousand. However, to my knowledge, their World Championships has never exceeded 256 total players. Last year, our World Championships was 398 players+. It simply does not matter to us that we have 3 age groups, and that 'your' age group didn't have 256 players invited.

We pull our invite numbers based on our goals for our World championship event, regardless of total players in the system. In addition, IF we were to ever consider something along these lines, it would follow that we would want to see numbers close, or equal to the total player base for a game such as Magic in EACH age group that would have a World Championship attendance at that level. So, assuming that MTG has 100,000 players worldwide (hypothetical number), we'd be looking to have 300,000 players worldwide before even considering that type of a move. Even if that were the case, it would have to be discussed as to whether that truly met the goals from brand and OP for what the World Championships should be.

Prof. Dav
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Professor Dav said:
Whether or not it's logical depends on what your goals for Worlds are. The general tone I get from this entire discussion is that more people want to be invited, period. If we open more invitations, more people have the opportunity, and therefore believe that they'll be able to go.

The World Championships is an elite event, where a limited number of players are invited to compete. That limit does not increase proportionately to the number of players in the world at a given time. Therefore, the more players there are, the more elite the event becomes, as invitations become harder to get, and are at a premium, as they should be.

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Prof. Dav
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Quoted: Professor Dav, 03/01/06 | http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=487184&postcount=189
So, the general tone I'm getting from this thread is that people think it should be *easier* to get to Worlds?

Think about that. Sure, it's the most premium event of the year, and everyone *wants* to go, on our dime, but would that really be a meaningful championship?

Prof. Dav
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Now I know I assume a lot when I post, but I don't post blindly. If I read something that looks important, I remember it, and apply it to my statements in the future. Read the above and then tell me that Worlds is all about who the best player is. It's not. Worlds is so much more than just playing to see who is best, and it's a shame that people can't realize this.

PUI can't invite everyone even though everyone wants to go. I think it's great that PUI makes the event open to anyone even without an invite. So that if you don't get to play in the World Championship, you can still go, see your friends, and play in the side tournaments. Why can't that be enough for some people? Why do some people have to play in the best tournament every year and if they don't, they assume there is something wrong with the system?

We are LUCKY. Let's try not to be GREEDY too.
 
Prime - You got it, but a lot others never get it.
I am still amazed about the reactions, because there was much taken away from the NA players.
Perhaps they don't realize this yet.
Or is it because most people here are in Masters and don't care about the JR+SR?
How are they supposed to find their way to Worlds? They cannot travel alone/by car or .................

I would say for SR, but most of all JR this new structure is bad.
 
Only the first post hit it Prime, the rest was just banter about how the best growth and therefore strongest player bases are awarded trips based on their numbers. That's absolutely fine. I'm not against handing out trips internationally as long as they show enough growth to warrant giving them the trips. Either way, as long as we get as close as possible to making the most people happy, that's how worlds should be supported.

Judging from what just happened, POP just modified their policy to suit the North American players a little better. They're changing OP rules by the year for a reason, and it's to make the most money, that means that the posts you just made are never set in stone. It'll be the reasons that'll best benefit their interests. The feedback however has been good, which is good for POP. I mean I've actually seen Lia make a positive post on this forum, is that really a bad thing?
 
this is really to bad for all the people that are playing for the trip, it doest affect me, i dont even have a pop id, i just collect, but still if i where to play, i would like to get a trip

the country i live in, doest get trips
 
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