Scorpio! (back from the dead)

[The Knee]

What do you do against kingdra build that decide to tech logically and run Regice? It kinda messes you up. No more mime stall, and they can hit gliscor whenever they feel like it. Considering this will be the tech every GOOD kingdra deck should be running, im curious as to what you do against it.

This brings me to my next point of not liking mime JUST as a kingdra counter. If you have more reason to keep it in there, go ahead, but at this point it really doesn't hurt kingdra. AT all. It's almost as if those kingdra decks that run Regice started the rumor so that people would play mime, and give them a free gust of wind/energies in the discard.

 

[Papi/Manny]

^Regice is a terrible start and will cripple kingdra. I'd take you discarding 2 every turn to have a free shot at my benched mine/random poke. :/

 

[Chromecatz]

lol mime is a joke. Kingdra has too many outs against it. Warp Point, Regice,Energy Switch,just attaching 3 energy :X

 

[SuicidalPikachu]

i cant help but feel anything that can get out of conditions, either thru Switch/point, evolving/lv up, or plopping down the status healing energy/dawn stadium will cripple this deck, if they can take out the benched Gliscor or Wager you once you BP out, then you are again crippled. how do you fair when these things happen?

 

[Papi/Manny]

lol mime is a joke. Kingdra has too many outs against it. Warp Point, Regice,Energy Switch,just attaching 3 energy :X

Who plays energy switch in kingdra? lol. Warp Point and regi into another mime? Sounds good to me. By the time you attach 3 energy, I can 2 shot you easily. Then you have to attach 3 energy to a benched kingdra. GL with that.

 

[Chromecatz]

I play E switch, for the exact purpose of owning anyone who thinks they are super clever by playing down a mr.mime It's been hyped MORE than enough as the "answer to kingdra" to warrant its use.

 

[Papi/Manny]

1) You don't even ko mime without a pp/buck's. 2) If that kingdra gets blown away (very easy), you're still down enough energy to make mime effective.

 

[butlerforhire]

What do you do against kingdra build that decide to tech logically and run Regice? It kinda messes you up. No more mime stall, and they can hit gliscor whenever they feel like it. Considering this will be the tech every GOOD kingdra deck should be running, im curious as to what you do against it.

This brings me to my next point of not liking mime JUST as a kingdra counter. If you have more reason to keep it in there, go ahead, but at this point it really doesn't hurt kingdra. AT all. It's almost as if those kingdra decks that run Regice started the rumor so that people would play mime, and give them a free gust of wind/energies in the discard.

Regice doesn't let you choose what your opponent switches out, so if this or any other deck has 2 Mimes out, you're just as stuck as ever. Regardless, you aren't just going to be hitting Gliscor "whenever you feel like it" unless by that you mean the 20 bench damage from Dragon Pump. It isn't just a Kingdra counter either. There are numerous other cards out there expected to make a splash at BRs/Cities with attacks that max at 2 energy, and even forcing your opponent to waste one energy drop per Pokemon to attack is actually pretty significant especially since using valuable drops just to get over Mime's Body is going to hurt their ability to retreat (unless the retreat cost was free to begin with) as well as power back-up.

 

[mewoxys666]

Ok. Kingdra hits my Gliscor for 20. I bring him up next turn, use Night Slash and retreat back to Mimey. Next turn you hit me again for 20. I retreat once again and use Night Slash with Buck's/Pluspower for the KO and retreat once more. You bring up another Kingdra and repeat the process. By the time you kill Glis Lvl X I have KO'd 2 Kingdra's and have a 2nd Gliscor ready on standby. GG, and I don't mean Garde/Gallade. That, good sir, truly stands for Good Game Kingdra.

 

[kd0220437]

Ok. Kingdra hits my Gliscor for 20. I bring him up next turn, use Night Slash and retreat back to Mimey. Next turn you hit me again for 20. I retreat once again and use Night Slash with Buck's/Pluspower for the KO and retreat once more. You bring up another Kingdra and repeat the process. By the time you kill Glis Lvl X I have KO'd 2 Kingdra's and have a 2nd Gliscor ready on standby. GG, and I don't mean Garde/Gallade. That, good sir, truly stands for Good Game Kingdra.

Dude there is no way man. I don't care if you have that dream set up. I HATE KINGDRA!! But there is no way this deck can beat it. You don't take in account that they have Warp Points too. They can hit you for 60 plus 20. And you are x2 weak to him. I am sorry but I must say GG Gliscor. IT is a a GREAT card, but there is no way it will beat it consistently 30-70 Kingdra wins, a good kindra anyways. Good Luck!

-Keelan

 

[Papi/Manny]

Dude there is no way man. I don't care if you have that dream set up. I HATE KINGDRA!! But there is no way this deck can beat it. You don't take in account that they have Warp Points too. They can hit you for 60 plus 20. And you are x2 weak to him. I am sorry but I must say GG Gliscor. IT is a a GREAT card, but there is no way it will beat it consistently 30-70 Kingdra wins, a good kindra anyways. Good Luck!

-Keelan

Obviously you haven't even looked at the list...Kingdra in no way beats mime decks (espically those that can abuse switching into it and those that can heal sniping) unless they get a donk win. Then again, the donk win can happen against anybody so that point is null. Its about 80-20 in favor of gliscor (that 20% are donks, bad hands, and having mime's prized.)

 

[kd0220437]

Obviously you haven't even looked at the list...Kingdra in no way beats mime decks (espically those that can abuse switching into it and those that can heal sniping) unless they get a donk win. Then again, the donk win can happen against anybody so that point is null. Its about 80-20 in favor of gliscor (that 20% are donks, bad hands, and having mime's prized.)

That is a little overzealous at best I would say. Dude I said a good Kingdra wins it. Gliscor is good yes, but it will not beat Kingdra consistanly. It just will not happen. I don't care if you test it on Red Shark and what not. I know it will not beat it. Like I said I HATE Kingdra, but it doesn't take away how much it will eat this deck I am sorry. I like the idea honestly, it won't happen though.

 

[Papi/Manny]

That is a little overzealous at best I would say. Dude I said a good Kingdra wins it. Gliscor is good yes, but it will not beat Kingdra consistanly. It just will not happen. I don't care if you test it on Red Shark and what not. I know it will not beat it. Like I said I HATE Kingdra, but it doesn't take away how much it will eat this deck I am sorry. I like the idea honestly, it won't happen though.

You compltely fail to explain how they get around mime. I already countered warp and whatever switching card, besides metagross or palkia x, and 3 energy attachments+gliscors speed=gg for kingdra. You said kingdra beats it 70-30, but me saying 80-20 in gliscors favor is too much? Define good kingdra.

 

[kd0220437]

You compltely fail to explain how they get around mime. I already countered warp and whatever switching card, besides metagross or palkia x, and 3 energy attachments+gliscors speed=gg for kingdra. You said kingdra beats it 70-30, but me saying 80-20 in gliscors favor is too much? Define good kingdra.

Dude techs are what make decks now a days. I can't tell you what would be. but okay say someone decided to run for example, and this is a poor example, but say Kyogre hits you for 60 and what not, I am just saying you can throw it out there and charge itself, and in two turns good bye. Dude it isn't that hard to beat. I say it realistically, you talk as if the deck is the best deck ever. Like I said it is a good deck. It looks like fun to play, and if you enjoy it and think you can win with it, by all means play it. I am not telling you not to. Just saying that I don't think it will win against Kingdra.

 

[Papi/Manny]

Dude techs are what make decks now a days. I can't tell you what would be. but okay say someone decided to run for example, and this is a poor example, but say Kyogre hits you for 60 and what not, I am just saying you can throw it out there and charge itself, and in two turns good bye. Dude it isn't that hard to beat. I say it realistically, you talk as if the deck is the best deck ever. Like I said it is a good deck. It looks like fun to play, and if you enjoy it and think you can win with it, by all means play it. I am not telling you not to. Just saying that I don't think it will win against Kingdra.

Techs are what make decks, at least for mirrior match. Kyogre doesn't ko the mime, meaning it takes 3 turns to ko it (the same as attaching 3 energy to a pokemon) and although it spreads, it does nothing to help your deck set-up. You saying "it realistically" is ironic, since kingdra doesn't have a direct answer to mime and any techs added only hurt all of kingdra's other matchups (e.g. energy switch as greg pointed out before, takes away deck space).

 

[rroaryh]

I think this bickering is pointless and playtesting/BR will answer this argument. I find this deck nifty, but not necesarily tier 1. It may be that you come across super pretentious, but w/e. Besides, while this deck pwns Kingdra, it needs to do better against other decks. Im not convinced it beats anything decent, and besides magmortar will eat your babies, your plan is?

 

[The Knee]

Regice doesn't let you choose what your opponent switches out, so if this or any other deck has 2 Mimes out, you're just as stuck as ever. Regardless, you aren't just going to be hitting Gliscor "whenever you feel like it" unless by that you mean the 20 bench damage from Dragon Pump. It isn't just a Kingdra counter either. There are numerous other cards out there expected to make a splash at BRs/Cities with attacks that max at 2 energy, and even forcing your opponent to waste one energy drop per Pokemon to attack is actually pretty significant especially since using valuable drops just to get over Mime's Body is going to hurt their ability to retreat (unless the retreat cost was free to begin with) as well as power back-up.

On the first portion, While it is possible to have more then 1 mime prepared, a 3 Energy attack by Regice, while not practical, is by no means bad to start powering up when one mime hits the field. If the mime has been touched by a dragon pump, then it's gone right away. Not like kingdra takes long to set up to begin with. Regice really isn't a bad card in any respect. 3 for 50 and possible para is an ace in the hole in certain situations and should be regarded as such.

Secondly, i never called mime "Bad" I simply said teching it just for kingdra wasn't a good move. I didn't really take the time to think about what other matchups he had where a mime could stall out the opponent. Not all low energy decks run anti-mime tech, so ill concede that point.

 

[JokerBoi]

If you think about it really hard this deck (if played right) with the right pokemon line. Can donk kingdra easily, I had my doubts about Gliscor at first but it does has a lot of potential for next format.

 

[rroaryh]

ss or it didn't happen

 

[butlerforhire]

On the first portion, While it is possible to have more then 1 mime prepared, a 3 Energy attack by Regice, while not practical, is by no means bad to start powering up when one mime hits the field. If the mime has been touched by a dragon pump, then it's gone right away. Not like kingdra takes long to set up to begin with. Regice really isn't a bad card in any respect. 3 for 50 and possible para is an ace in the hole in certain situations and should be regarded as such.

Secondly, i never called mime "Bad" I simply said teching it just for kingdra wasn't a good move. I didn't really take the time to think about what other matchups he had where a mime could stall out the opponent. Not all low energy decks run anti-mime tech, so ill concede that point.

I wasn't saying Regice is necessarily bad either, I was just pointing out that it isn't really a Gust of Wind (hence you don't get to go after Gliscor as often as you like) and it also does not help if there are multiple Mimes in play. With the updated Scorpio list, 3 Mimes are included so against Kingdra the focus would obviously be on keeping the Mimes coming as long as they needed to. As far as Regice as an attacker goes, IMO it would be a waste of energy and the loss of your Mime defense because if it came active, with only 90 HP the Scorpio player would make sure to get a Pester plus poison OHKO on it (achievable via Gliscor lv. X coming into play for the first time or via a SSU, having Venomoth out taking a hit from Regice and providing the poison, using Burning Poison followed by Pester, etc.). They would never actually do damage to you that wasn't going to lead to a OHKO so your attack would not ever paralyze them and then all you'd be left with was a subpar 3 for 50 attack you'd probably only get to use once if that.

In pointing out the usefulness of Mime I was simply trying to illustrate that it was not merely some anti-Kingdra tech. One of the best things about the card is in addition to its stalling ability, it makes your opponent essentially waste valuable energy drops-- more valuable than ever in this new format devoid of quick power-ups via the steroid energy of old.