SoCal Regional -- 5.14.05
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Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
IP Geek, this isn't about Martin's ego. This is about the fact that he got truly shafted, without exaggeration. Even if he were among California's weaker players, he still would have been shafted. Point is, Best 2/3 only having 45 minute is INSANELY unfair. That immediately gives every raytrode or zapdos player an insane advantage, because they get fast KO's and their opponents usually do not. I don't know if it's biased, but I find it highly suspect. Martin, you deserve the invite (and the trip 10 miles down, hardeeharhar).
ToysRUsKid
Active Member
Yeah, I do agree for the Non-Zappy Players, 45 Minutes isn't enough.. I was also confused why it wasn't announced that the playoffs were gonna be 45 minutes.
)v(ajin_ipg21
New Member
lol
rotflmbo
*even louder*
Not about Martin's ego?
it is... the best of the west... RANDOM won states, blah blah blah blah... ok true I ONLY WANT to see this, and guess what I SHALL...
WHY?
Been there done that.
You think I have not read about this before?
You think I have not read about peeps being shafted?
FRIENDS?
You think I HAVE NOT READ how everyone LOVES to hang their dirty laundry on a HUMBLE POKEMON website... when if they REALLY want to affect change they have to deal with the authorities?
WHy did he not challenge Karl?
Why did he not ask to TALK to another JUDGE?
WHy did he not in a TACTFUL manner postpone this?
He is the player.
HE has a bit of sway and the right to move on up the JUDGE ladder?
HE could have asked for the clarification. HE COULD have had then DIRECT quotes in his post...
NOW?
After the fact?
*YAWN*
Too late. So the post looks whiny.
WOW, he has his allies here on the board... cool... so does all the people he has ever insulted... and I AM TOO old hat to care about any rivalries... and I REMEMBER too much... and history STILL repeats itself...
PLUS, he knows he enjoys the deep-seeded =/ rivalry with the team LA players *yawn....*
SO let him have his day... again I repeat myself...
WHAT DOES POSTING ON A BOARD GOING TO TO DO ABOUT HIS SITUATION?
Nothing...
lol, and NOW that the TOURNEYS HAVE highers stakes?
Man, get to magic... or move on to Hold 'em... this is just pokemon... sorry... but NOTHING new here... nothing...
*love not being an admin... free to say... free to express myself... wwwwhhhhheeeeeeeee*
So I love the friendships... all of this? I dealt with enough of it for a lifetime... and got bored of ALL of this as a mod... I am not going to keep reading this as a *rare* user of this board...
BTW, last time I checked... the judges are human... last time I checked... humans are not perfect.... I made mistakes... and oh yeah.. parents let me know about them... everyone survived...
rotflmbo
*even louder*
Not about Martin's ego?
it is... the best of the west... RANDOM won states, blah blah blah blah... ok true I ONLY WANT to see this, and guess what I SHALL...
WHY?
Been there done that.
You think I have not read about this before?
You think I have not read about peeps being shafted?
FRIENDS?
You think I HAVE NOT READ how everyone LOVES to hang their dirty laundry on a HUMBLE POKEMON website... when if they REALLY want to affect change they have to deal with the authorities?
WHy did he not challenge Karl?
Why did he not ask to TALK to another JUDGE?
WHy did he not in a TACTFUL manner postpone this?
He is the player.
HE has a bit of sway and the right to move on up the JUDGE ladder?
HE could have asked for the clarification. HE COULD have had then DIRECT quotes in his post...
NOW?
After the fact?
*YAWN*
Too late. So the post looks whiny.
WOW, he has his allies here on the board... cool... so does all the people he has ever insulted... and I AM TOO old hat to care about any rivalries... and I REMEMBER too much... and history STILL repeats itself...
PLUS, he knows he enjoys the deep-seeded =/ rivalry with the team LA players *yawn....*
SO let him have his day... again I repeat myself...
WHAT DOES POSTING ON A BOARD GOING TO TO DO ABOUT HIS SITUATION?
Nothing...
lol, and NOW that the TOURNEYS HAVE highers stakes?
Man, get to magic... or move on to Hold 'em... this is just pokemon... sorry... but NOTHING new here... nothing...
*love not being an admin... free to say... free to express myself... wwwwhhhhheeeeeeeee*
So I love the friendships... all of this? I dealt with enough of it for a lifetime... and got bored of ALL of this as a mod... I am not going to keep reading this as a *rare* user of this board...
BTW, last time I checked... the judges are human... last time I checked... humans are not perfect.... I made mistakes... and oh yeah.. parents let me know about them... everyone survived...
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Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
Lol, best satire of 2005 goes to IP Geek =P
However, just because somebody doesn't shout about this kind of thing doesn't make it right. Most, or the entirety of the rest of the T8 has not come out and spoken about it negatively, yet everyone knows that 45 minutes for up to THREE games is just illogical.
However, just because somebody doesn't shout about this kind of thing doesn't make it right. Most, or the entirety of the rest of the T8 has not come out and spoken about it negatively, yet everyone knows that 45 minutes for up to THREE games is just illogical.
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From the Pokemon OP Tournament Rules:
22.4. Match Time Limits
Single-game matches are usually limited to 30 minutes; best-of-three matches can
have time limits of 45 minutes to one hour. The specific time limit for each
round’s matches will be announced by the Tournament Organizer at the outset of
the event.
Mike Liesik was at the event and explained the situation. The time limit was changed due to time constraints. Would you have rather had single game finals? 45 minutes was within the rules. NO it wasn't the best situation but the decision was made. We pushed our time limit, and our welcome, at the venue as it was. Don't worry, we won't be holding another tournament there again. As the Nevada players have found, voicing your complaints to the PokeGym will not change the situation nor make it better. Email POP.
22.4. Match Time Limits
Single-game matches are usually limited to 30 minutes; best-of-three matches can
have time limits of 45 minutes to one hour. The specific time limit for each
round’s matches will be announced by the Tournament Organizer at the outset of
the event.
Mike Liesik was at the event and explained the situation. The time limit was changed due to time constraints. Would you have rather had single game finals? 45 minutes was within the rules. NO it wasn't the best situation but the decision was made. We pushed our time limit, and our welcome, at the venue as it was. Don't worry, we won't be holding another tournament there again. As the Nevada players have found, voicing your complaints to the PokeGym will not change the situation nor make it better. Email POP.
Tyranitar666
New Member
This is an absolute travesty and hands down the worst thing I've seen at a tournament in a LONG time. An hour for 2/3 isnt really enough as it is as 3 games almost NEVER got completed. I don't think I'd seen a single match up that went for three full games in t16 at Great Lakes. Either it ended with first player stalling out game 2 to make it an incomplete game or third game being sudden death. 30 minutes isn't enough to play a normal game if players are even remotely time aware. Every single game I play time played a part either in my favor or my opponents favor. Using Sceptile EX, I either had to get back prizes before time, despite me having no positional threat of losing, or it involved me having no issue sitting there, up on prizes, and Green Heal locking my opponents.
First the fact that there is not enough time for an event is 100% the organizers fault here. Its a major event, with the usual highest turnout for any state in the US ( past attendance shows this ) than proper precautions should have been in place to garuntee that enough time was available for a full t16. I know there were some complaints about the event run in Toledo, but they are remotely objective, and none of them violated standard tournament procedures. It is simply not right to alter time in the finals of a tournament MID WAY THROUGH. Not with trips on the line. It is not fair for those who got eliminated due to stalling, and not fair to those who had lost earlier that would have had game wins if the time had been as before. 45 minutes is one close game. That is it. 45 minutes is criminally low for 2/3. An hour is too low. 45 minutes is simply unfair.
Is it impossible to run a round and simply relocate elsewhere for the final rounds? Lets see....they cut a total of 30 minutes off of t8 and t4...why not "postpone " t2, who both get trips as it is, and move TWO PLAYERS elsewhere to finish the game, and take the 45 minutes from that final round and re allocate it to the other rounds. This actually nets you 15 minutes. Also, this " Complication " seems quite apparent from the start of t16, where you can tell there wouldn't be enough time. This means you can't even argue " Oh, we had to cut the time mid tourney because we didn't know wed run out of time? " Cause thats a blatant lie. I think this event was run HORRIBLY, and california tournaments have a LONG history of butchered events, organization, and judging.
If the same people run another major event here again I think it would be a disaster. Having heard so many things repeatedly about multiple horrible events, why are these people still running tournaments? I did not get screwed in this event. But this is one of the few things that has happened that I think PUI needs to crack down upon. I haven't been one to scream and protest much, but this is one of the few things that I've seen that needs rectified. I can't see anyway to help out Martin, who really got screwed, but so did a ton of other players. I'd love to see him get an Invite and or Trip for this, but I can't see that happening. All I do know is that if that was me, I would not settle for something like that. If someone tried to screw with tournament procedures illegally with such prizes on the line, I would not settle until either the proper procedures were followed or I was simply kicked out of the tournament. If this had happened to me, I would have been furious. I honestly think Martin handled this poorly by not standing up for himself and proper tournament procedures.
For anyone saying " Martin didn't even win " I ask you to look at the matchup. Its Lanturn vs Zapdos. It is the single handed most 1 sided match up of any archetypes being played in this format. Lanturn wins well over 95% of the match ups, and Martin is an exceptional player.
This whole tournament is just another in a large line of Edit CA tourneys. They need changes here. Big changes. How many more players are going to get screwed by illegal procedures? If the same PTO and judges are allowed back, I have lost a lot of respect for PUI over this.
First the fact that there is not enough time for an event is 100% the organizers fault here. Its a major event, with the usual highest turnout for any state in the US ( past attendance shows this ) than proper precautions should have been in place to garuntee that enough time was available for a full t16. I know there were some complaints about the event run in Toledo, but they are remotely objective, and none of them violated standard tournament procedures. It is simply not right to alter time in the finals of a tournament MID WAY THROUGH. Not with trips on the line. It is not fair for those who got eliminated due to stalling, and not fair to those who had lost earlier that would have had game wins if the time had been as before. 45 minutes is one close game. That is it. 45 minutes is criminally low for 2/3. An hour is too low. 45 minutes is simply unfair.
Is it impossible to run a round and simply relocate elsewhere for the final rounds? Lets see....they cut a total of 30 minutes off of t8 and t4...why not "postpone " t2, who both get trips as it is, and move TWO PLAYERS elsewhere to finish the game, and take the 45 minutes from that final round and re allocate it to the other rounds. This actually nets you 15 minutes. Also, this " Complication " seems quite apparent from the start of t16, where you can tell there wouldn't be enough time. This means you can't even argue " Oh, we had to cut the time mid tourney because we didn't know wed run out of time? " Cause thats a blatant lie. I think this event was run HORRIBLY, and california tournaments have a LONG history of butchered events, organization, and judging.
If the same people run another major event here again I think it would be a disaster. Having heard so many things repeatedly about multiple horrible events, why are these people still running tournaments? I did not get screwed in this event. But this is one of the few things that has happened that I think PUI needs to crack down upon. I haven't been one to scream and protest much, but this is one of the few things that I've seen that needs rectified. I can't see anyway to help out Martin, who really got screwed, but so did a ton of other players. I'd love to see him get an Invite and or Trip for this, but I can't see that happening. All I do know is that if that was me, I would not settle for something like that. If someone tried to screw with tournament procedures illegally with such prizes on the line, I would not settle until either the proper procedures were followed or I was simply kicked out of the tournament. If this had happened to me, I would have been furious. I honestly think Martin handled this poorly by not standing up for himself and proper tournament procedures.
For anyone saying " Martin didn't even win " I ask you to look at the matchup. Its Lanturn vs Zapdos. It is the single handed most 1 sided match up of any archetypes being played in this format. Lanturn wins well over 95% of the match ups, and Martin is an exceptional player.
This whole tournament is just another in a large line of Edit CA tourneys. They need changes here. Big changes. How many more players are going to get screwed by illegal procedures? If the same PTO and judges are allowed back, I have lost a lot of respect for PUI over this.
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YoungJohn06
New Member
45 minutes for 3 games is absolutely REDICULOUS! I wasn't there, I do not know exactly what took place. However this sounds really crappy. That time frame gives an amazing advatange to Zapdos players like was already stated. Who ever that judge was, really, really needs to learn to be fair to both sides. If you're gonna enforce a player to take a 1 minute turn and then let one of his opponents take a four minute turn that's absolutely stupid and unfair. I cannot see how that isn't looked at as biased judging.
Juan, why are you acting like your the last of the Mohicans or something? Dude, chill out. I'm not complaining to PUI begging for a trip I'm entitled too, but I feel the online community should know about what happened in my games. If you don't want to read it, why are you back putting in your two cents? You know me in person, I don't LOOK for trouble. Why are you EVEN posting? You said you don't even care about Pokemon anymore. I care, and I'm here to make things right for the future upcoming players in the great state of California. The state I INVENTED.
By the way, I'm done here. I love Weilemom too much to make her feel bad for the time thing. Since she did book it, then I guess I will accept the loss and move on. I'm sorry if I did anything to disrespect you. I hope you can forgive me.
By the way, Judge X, if you are reading this, and I know you are, you will not be taking another trip from me, I am sure that good will prevail.
By the way, I'm done here. I love Weilemom too much to make her feel bad for the time thing. Since she did book it, then I guess I will accept the loss and move on. I'm sorry if I did anything to disrespect you. I hope you can forgive me.
By the way, Judge X, if you are reading this, and I know you are, you will not be taking another trip from me, I am sure that good will prevail.
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Tyranitar666
New Member
Weilemom- 22.4. Match Time Limits
Single-game matches are usually limited to 30 minutes; best-of-three matches can
have time limits of 45 minutes to one hour. The specific time limit for each
round’s matches will be announced by the Tournament Organizer at the outset of
the event.
Well, you sure point out that 45 mine line quite well, but your utterly ignoring the second half which states they are named at the OUTSET OF THE EVENT. See, Mike L being there or not makes NO IMPACT on whether this was proper or improper procedures. Altering time limits do SO MUCH to affect a game. Players enter a tournament with a set time allotment known. Players can assume their deck can function under a set time limit. Decks which could normally do fine under an hour 2/3 often cannot work under 45 minutes due to tempo differences. Had they known the time would have been as before, they very well could have opted to use different decks.
Is there a coincidence that Zapdos excelled under these time restraints? The rush deck? The rush deck with fossils? Seems custom made for a time limit like this, a DIFFERENT TIME LIMIT THAN HIS OPPONENT WAS LEFT TO PREPARE FOR. Its effectively telling someone " You will compete under these rules and conditions " and letting them make all of their unadaptable choices in deck construction for these, than forcing them to compete under completely difference circumstances.
So because " Mike L " is there, doesn't mean he has the power to single handedly re write the floor rules mid tournament. It isn't right to those who are hurt by it. Not with these sort of prizes on the line. The fact that no one stood up and fought this is equally disgusting.
Worlds 2/3 was 90 minutes. Some games a full 3 games couldn't be completed ( Yamato vs Colin? ) and sometimes not even a full two. Hour long time limits at Great Lakes Regionals? My game vs Matt T in t16 finished one complete game and did not finish a second. I played slow towards the end, but played unnecessarily fast in the start as well. I would be surprised, as I said, if a single match was finished by 3 games. An hour is not enough time to finish 2/3. 45 minutes is a disaster. You effectively made it a single game. Tell me how many of those games ended with 2 complete games. I doubt many. If a first game goes even any time, the second game will simply be stalled out by who won the first. There is no legitimate way around this. Its disgusting.
I've heard too many reports from too many different people who are normally on completely different wave lengths who all said the same things occured. Things need done about this and if no action is taken, this is sick. Completely sick.
Single-game matches are usually limited to 30 minutes; best-of-three matches can
have time limits of 45 minutes to one hour. The specific time limit for each
round’s matches will be announced by the Tournament Organizer at the outset of
the event.
Well, you sure point out that 45 mine line quite well, but your utterly ignoring the second half which states they are named at the OUTSET OF THE EVENT. See, Mike L being there or not makes NO IMPACT on whether this was proper or improper procedures. Altering time limits do SO MUCH to affect a game. Players enter a tournament with a set time allotment known. Players can assume their deck can function under a set time limit. Decks which could normally do fine under an hour 2/3 often cannot work under 45 minutes due to tempo differences. Had they known the time would have been as before, they very well could have opted to use different decks.
Is there a coincidence that Zapdos excelled under these time restraints? The rush deck? The rush deck with fossils? Seems custom made for a time limit like this, a DIFFERENT TIME LIMIT THAN HIS OPPONENT WAS LEFT TO PREPARE FOR. Its effectively telling someone " You will compete under these rules and conditions " and letting them make all of their unadaptable choices in deck construction for these, than forcing them to compete under completely difference circumstances.
So because " Mike L " is there, doesn't mean he has the power to single handedly re write the floor rules mid tournament. It isn't right to those who are hurt by it. Not with these sort of prizes on the line. The fact that no one stood up and fought this is equally disgusting.
Worlds 2/3 was 90 minutes. Some games a full 3 games couldn't be completed ( Yamato vs Colin? ) and sometimes not even a full two. Hour long time limits at Great Lakes Regionals? My game vs Matt T in t16 finished one complete game and did not finish a second. I played slow towards the end, but played unnecessarily fast in the start as well. I would be surprised, as I said, if a single match was finished by 3 games. An hour is not enough time to finish 2/3. 45 minutes is a disaster. You effectively made it a single game. Tell me how many of those games ended with 2 complete games. I doubt many. If a first game goes even any time, the second game will simply be stalled out by who won the first. There is no legitimate way around this. Its disgusting.
I've heard too many reports from too many different people who are normally on completely different wave lengths who all said the same things occured. Things need done about this and if no action is taken, this is sick. Completely sick.
Tyranitar666 said:
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Actually, I left that in there on purpose. 45 minutes was within the rules, though as you said, this was not made clear at the OUTSET OF THE EVENT. In fact, I'm not even sure if the hour time limit was made clear at the OUTSET OF THE EVENT.
However, I have to disagree with your other statement. You are incorrect. As per the rules, the specified time limit will be announced at the outset- which is when the event begins or when the Head Judge makes annoucements. These annoucements are made once the players are registered and their decks are checked. That's right- along with the help of Professors we check 120+ decks before beginning the tournament. Anyway, the players then CANNOT enter the tournament with a set time known. What are you suggesting? That the players would change a deck that they have been practicing with for weeks? At this point they cannot. So your point is moot.
Once again, 45 minutes is within the rules. We changed the time to fit into the time constraints of the venue- which I take full responsibility for. None of the players suggested heading over to Burger King to keep the time limits at an hour. We ended up finishing sooner than we expected because the players decided not to play for first and second place. One player conceded to the other and Martin was still playing for third.
Please, complain to POP, don't incite a riot here on the board over an event you didn't attend.
Tyranitar666
New Member
So you'd prefer that I voice one email to POP over letting everyone know what happened so that the odds of things being fixed are lessened? I am in the process of emailing POP, but vocalizing my opinions is just what a message board is for. If publicity of the event is so bad, than something obviously most have occured wrong or else no one would mind if this got discussed. If nothing went wrong, you'd let us " Riot" all you want.
An Hour seemed to be the standard time for other Regionals in terms of 2/3 time limits, and was also the originally intended time limit for yours. Whether the " Point is moot " or not does not change the illegality of a mid-t16 time change. Even if the time it was changed to is in the legal allowed time, this does NOTHING to change the fact that it was wrongfully changed. And your saying its up to the players now to figure out how to run the event? " No one suggested a better answer, even though they should seem obvious to what should be pretty experienced judges and PTOs so I guess its not our responsibility to think up a simple idea like moving 2 people to another building for an hour? " Sure, blame the players for not suggesting it. I guess its UTTERLY OUT OF THOSE RUNNING THE EVENTS JURISDICTION to make such a decision? DEFINITELY the players fault.
As for the argument that a player may or may not change decks based on time limits. I think that is a very valid argument. I consider time limits very much when opting to use a deck. In swiss, I chose not to use Metagross Steelix Milotic due to the fact that I would lose games on time limit. I felt strong with Sceptile because I knew in a full hour long t16 that I would win very consistantly. Had it been 45 minutes, I would have opted to use a faster deck, and players such as myself, and Martin, had tested PLENTY of decks. I had 7 different decks built with me, and turned my form in last minute with a last minute deck decision. So to say that a player doesn't change decks is wrong. I do it all the time. I like to check out the metagame too. So to say that no one would have chanegd decks is wrong. Decks such as Zapdos and Speed Draggy so much better under short time.
Now onto the " an event you didn't even attend " argument. I guess since I wasn't personally there I can't argument against something that was wrong? No, I can't comment upon things such as " Martin said certain judge told him to end his turn in a set time " or claims like that. As you notice, I did not touch on any of those. I personally believe Martin. I have only touched on claims which so far no one has told me are wrong. You haven't argued that time was changed, the main argument. I guess since I wasn't there, I can't be upset over illegal practices? That makes since. I guess I shouldn't object to the war in Iraq too. I'm not fighting it, its none of my business? Yeah. That makes sense. Thats why things never get changed.
Nicole, I know your not the problem at this event. You don't need to take full blame for this. Karl and Kim are the ones that need to go. They are the problem. I know from Martin what you told him about what they said about him. I know your not a problem with these events, but there ARE problems, and its known that Kim and Karl don't like Martin, but I'm not even trying to look at this from a conspiracy standpoint, because like you said, I wasn't there. I am arguing the points I have a right to argue. I am debating the FACTS which everyone so far has agreed happened. NorCal needs a new PTO and judges for their Regional. BADLY.
An Hour seemed to be the standard time for other Regionals in terms of 2/3 time limits, and was also the originally intended time limit for yours. Whether the " Point is moot " or not does not change the illegality of a mid-t16 time change. Even if the time it was changed to is in the legal allowed time, this does NOTHING to change the fact that it was wrongfully changed. And your saying its up to the players now to figure out how to run the event? " No one suggested a better answer, even though they should seem obvious to what should be pretty experienced judges and PTOs so I guess its not our responsibility to think up a simple idea like moving 2 people to another building for an hour? " Sure, blame the players for not suggesting it. I guess its UTTERLY OUT OF THOSE RUNNING THE EVENTS JURISDICTION to make such a decision? DEFINITELY the players fault.
As for the argument that a player may or may not change decks based on time limits. I think that is a very valid argument. I consider time limits very much when opting to use a deck. In swiss, I chose not to use Metagross Steelix Milotic due to the fact that I would lose games on time limit. I felt strong with Sceptile because I knew in a full hour long t16 that I would win very consistantly. Had it been 45 minutes, I would have opted to use a faster deck, and players such as myself, and Martin, had tested PLENTY of decks. I had 7 different decks built with me, and turned my form in last minute with a last minute deck decision. So to say that a player doesn't change decks is wrong. I do it all the time. I like to check out the metagame too. So to say that no one would have chanegd decks is wrong. Decks such as Zapdos and Speed Draggy so much better under short time.
Now onto the " an event you didn't even attend " argument. I guess since I wasn't personally there I can't argument against something that was wrong? No, I can't comment upon things such as " Martin said certain judge told him to end his turn in a set time " or claims like that. As you notice, I did not touch on any of those. I personally believe Martin. I have only touched on claims which so far no one has told me are wrong. You haven't argued that time was changed, the main argument. I guess since I wasn't there, I can't be upset over illegal practices? That makes since. I guess I shouldn't object to the war in Iraq too. I'm not fighting it, its none of my business? Yeah. That makes sense. Thats why things never get changed.
Nicole, I know your not the problem at this event. You don't need to take full blame for this. Karl and Kim are the ones that need to go. They are the problem. I know from Martin what you told him about what they said about him. I know your not a problem with these events, but there ARE problems, and its known that Kim and Karl don't like Martin, but I'm not even trying to look at this from a conspiracy standpoint, because like you said, I wasn't there. I am arguing the points I have a right to argue. I am debating the FACTS which everyone so far has agreed happened. NorCal needs a new PTO and judges for their Regional. BADLY.
Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
Is stalling the right thing to do even if it's legal? Not necessarily
Are 45 minute, best 2/3 the right thing to do even if it's legal? Not necessarily.
I thought it over, and I completely change my opinion. Without any duress (lol XD), I've decided that this issue is no different from stalling. 45 minute time limits are not the right thing to do, but it's legal, within the rules, and something we just have to deal with. Legal stalling is no different, and although I'm aganst that practice in general, if it's within the rules, then who am I to say you can't abuse it?
Carry on with the 45 minute do-hicky, lol. The only thing (policy, person, etc) at fault is Judge X for hovering over Martin, not holding his opponent to the same standards.
Are 45 minute, best 2/3 the right thing to do even if it's legal? Not necessarily.
I thought it over, and I completely change my opinion. Without any duress (lol XD), I've decided that this issue is no different from stalling. 45 minute time limits are not the right thing to do, but it's legal, within the rules, and something we just have to deal with. Legal stalling is no different, and although I'm aganst that practice in general, if it's within the rules, then who am I to say you can't abuse it?
Carry on with the 45 minute do-hicky, lol. The only thing (policy, person, etc) at fault is Judge X for hovering over Martin, not holding his opponent to the same standards.
Lex Luthor
New Member
33-45 people = 6 rounds and top 8
46-64 people = 6 rounds and top 16
65-90 people = 7 rounds and top 16
91-128 people= 7 rounds and top 32
I take offense at this statement
I am the NorCal PTO running the NorCal Regional. I have yet to run a poor premiere event, at least no one has ever complained. We DONOT need a new PTO. Also, I have full faith in the judges I have chosen, especially my HJ, and they will not be changed. I also stand by Karl who's events I have attended in the past and will again in the future.
PokeWisconsin
New Member
Martin you definitely got screwed. You need to inform PUI of this and see what can be done. Judge X: you stink!
Tyranitar666
New Member
Lex- I'm glad your offended, if your involved with the parties behind this, than it was quite my intention. If you haven't heard any complaints about events, than your ignoring a large portion of your player base, as I have heard more complaints from these tourneys than any others in the history of the game. Yes, this includes Nationals overall. If you'd like to further discuss things, feel free to drop me a PM. No need for personal bickering back and forth on the thread, but feel free to PM me and we can continue if your up for that. Plus, being from "Smallville" why do you travel all the way out to Cali to run events? Jeeze. Lex Luthor...from smallville KS...clever. definitely clever.