Why can't an idea be discussed scientifically with plusses and minuses and brainstorming without people getting spanked verbally by the members?
I think we have a couple PTO who are expressing concerns/doubts. Those people are getting caned for expressing their concerns. We have people calling someone names who is actually doing something to implement the idea. This is not the kind of discussion I want to see on the board.
If the OP posts "hey this is a great idea" he/she needs to expect some testing of that idea and that not everyone is going to agree or be all rah rah. If one has to start and argument and get all ad hominem when someone doesn't like the idea, then one is giving the impression it's not a very good idea to begin with... which in this case, is a shame.
Now, quit calling each other names, quit using this topic to further degrade the quality of discussion on this board - discuss the topic, not people's reactions to it.
I don't think you're using that logical fallacy correctly.
Just to correct you, bulbasnore, because apparently no one knows what ad hominem actually is, as this is the second time I have had to explain why there are no instances of ad hominem fallacy in this thread. People are being discussed in the context of the manner in which they are providing arguments. No one is refuting their criticisms
with ad hominem fallacies. I, and others, are discussing/arguing,
and also chastising for how people come off when they talk on here. We are not saying their criticisms are not correct
because they are dismissive, we are responding to criticisms and ideas,
and in addition to that we are responding to their attitudes and the types of posts they make.
People are getting caned because they consistently display dismissive attitudes and unhelpful remarks, not because they offer constructive criticism. This is not an isolated incident in this thread only, but a divisive nature of many posters on this entire forum, one that has led a large number of people to dislike posting here, or judge it as virtually pointless to discuss things. Do you seriously not wonder why the quality of posts on this forum was so low for so long? In the past few months I've begun to try to post here a little bit more, but it has not been enjoyable.
It comes down to people being more concerned with shooting ideas down than trying to improve them, for the sake of being contrarian and on the side of TPCi (the authority/establishment) regardless of the establishment's rightness or wrongness.
I also think there is obvious bias. I was given an infraction for an abbreviation I used to mimic an abbreviation another poster, the contrarian uses, but he did not receive an infraction (to my knowledge, I asked if he had received an infraction, and no one has responded on that matter. If he did, I'd like to know if it was only after I pointed out the lack of consistency). Just more evidence of the obvious bias being pointed out by members like me, jaeger, psychup, etc.
You all can think that you are fair and unbiased, but you are a minority in that view. We are trying to enlighten you to the attitudes you are displaying, and how they come off as very unhelpful, rude, and dismissive. Think what you want, but know others perceive your attempts at "discussing" quite poorly, and take most comments as blind following and arguing/dismissing for the sake of arguing, never offering anything constructive to say.
Why can't an idea be discussed scientifically with plusses and minuses and brainstorming without people getting spanked verbally by the members?
Great question. What many posters have already gotten at is that some posters CONSISTENTLY
only post minuses. They do NOT brainstorm (which is to offer ideas, improvements, suggestions, or construction), and they do not discuss anything scientifically.
So, why can't we have good discussions? Because some people refuse to have them, and offer only minuses, never brainstorm, but just rain, and are completely unscientific (objective in nature). That is why we can't have good discussions here or in any other thread, as they inevitably break down due to some posters consistently having nothing better to do than to be negative and dismissive.
can see how a certain player is doing.