Suggestion to Play! Pokemon re 2011 World Championship Decks: Print Tropical Beach!

[rokman]

i think mass producing this card will devalue the stamped card value because theres a lot of people that want that card and wont really care if its stamped or not and me as a collector in a budget i would rather spend 5 bucks for a non stamped card than spend 50 maybe more on a stamped card since some people just want it for theyre black star collection and what not so the demand will ultimately decrease along with the price of the card please tell me if im wrong

Ridiculously overpriced event-only cards that are top tier and good for decks is very bad for the game.

 

[yoyofsho16]

I just found out that if people top 32'd/16'd/etc they got an additional TWO copies for each round they made it through...

How can they not do something like print it? I thought people would only usually have 1, but in 4 Tropical Beach is a beast. If that's not aiding the big dogs in staying on top idunno what is.

 

[Victory Bell]

HA. 4 Tropical Beach giving the pro's a massive advantage.... that's a good one. It's not that good. In fact, it's still pretty bad.

That isn't a point as to why they SHOULDN'T print it, just a point against anyone saying it gives anyone an advantage.

/quote me.

 

[yoyofsho16]

I mean I'm iffy as to how good the card is, but in a format with such little straight draw... even if it only really kills in a certain combo, it should be available to the populous when it's not obviously bad like Tropical Wind or whatever.

 

[Otaku]

The people who call it "bad" are probably as off as the people who call it a staple, amazing, etc. It's got a pretty obvious niche use, and the question is how big is that niche. If I want to focus my deck around something lacking a good early game attack, I can run this instead of a small "equals Prize" Basic for my opponent. After that I don't see much of a use for it, but especially in an aggressive format where a) my opponent is going to push for a FTKO and b) I can run Twins, a copy or two doesn't sound like a bad thing for those decks.

Of course this ignores the principle of the situation and the classic "Who knows what later cards could make or break the effect." Both are excellent reasons why this level of exclusivity on a unique card is bad.

I also find it interesting when someone first says the card isn't very good and soon will be forgotten, then also says that a re-release will hurt the value of the card too much. A re-release isn't going to happen that fast, so if the card is going to be forgotten soon it wouldn't hurt the value.

 

[Ice'Cold]

One thing that has made the post WTC era of pokemon unique from other card games is the emphasis on pokemon as a family game. With their effort to make all cards widely avaliable (regardless of if your family has money to spend on creating a competetive deck) comes a sense of if you work hard, you can be competetive in pokemon and make it to the top of your local tournaments. Think of if pokemon went the route of magic or yugioh, and a playset of special metal energies ran you $150+ Would events be as fun for players (this is ALL players, not just people who tend to finish in the top at tournaments, don't forget that local player base that helps trade you those Yanmega/Donphan/Magnezone primes so you can finish your deck) if they felt that they could never reach the same level as their peers simply because they couldn't afford it? Remember when Rayquaza and Latias/Latios star were fetching $150 a peice?? That was not good for the game.

I'm all for having a healthy economy for the game in general (that where stamped promos and special print runs come in handy) but I think that any playable card (like this world's stadium) should be mass produced in some way. While Cyrus' idea is a good one, I don't think a promo like this would be printing in a worlds reprint deck. The main audience for those decks are you casual kids with their parents at target/walmart/meijer/etc. and those kids could care less whether the cards are "playable" or not. This would however make a really nice league promo

 

[SMP88]

I see no reason not to reprint Tropical Beach. It doesn't have to be used for just draw. It could see use in a Yanmega deck to counter Ruins of Alph or in other decks to get rid of Burned Tower. Also, like it was said earlier, just because a card that combos well with it isn't out yet doesn't mean one won't be printed. A card should be available for everyone to at least see if they can create a combo that works for them.

 

[Victory Bell]

I also find it interesting when someone first says the card isn't very good and soon will be forgotten, then also says that a re-release will hurt the value of the card too much. A re-release isn't going to happen that fast, so if the card is going to be forgotten soon it wouldn't hurt the value.

Bad in play good in market. A LITTLE bit Like Charizard ex. I think it'll loose its value if people realize that there are better things to play in their decks. Right now some weird hype over a bad card is driving the price up. Any value it keeps over time would be taken lower by a re-release.

 

[K2theAblaM]

Right now some weird hype over a bad card is driving the price up. Any value it keeps over time would be taken lower by a re-release.

So that's why you're against a reprint. You just don't want your cards to lose value. Makes sense. Petty, but still makes sense.

 

[Victory Bell]

You're putting words in my mouth. It really doesn't matter to me. Look back though my posts, I happen to think that some cards should stay hard to obtain. If they did reprint it the worst thing that happens to me is I loose the value of cards that I have no intention of selling. They aren't worth anything if you don't plan on selling them, after all. I like keeping my mementos and always have. If Pokemon takes up Kettler's idea I'm not going to start a sour grapes thread. I was just expressing my opinion, seriously -.-

Understand that opinion CAN in fact be separate from personal greed. As much as America wants you to think otherwise.

Calling me petty for that is like me calling Kettler greedy for wanting a reprint when he probably doesn't care about getting 4 of them on the cheap for his latest deck. He most likely wants to keep the card obtainable for the general public and there's nothing wrong with that. I think that some cards should retain their exclusivity as long as they're at a playability level below that of what can be bought at a reasonable price.

 

[smacktack15]

The card should be printed for the masses!

Jacob has received more than 8 playable Tropical Beach and I have put them to good use in all sorts of decks, some better than others, but it is a strong card. Even if it isn't that great, it is kinda fun to play a card nobody in my area has direct access too.

 

[psychup2034]

I think that some cards should retain their exclusivity as long as they're at a playability level below that of what can be bought at a reasonable price.

Tropical Tidal Wave: playability level below that of what can be bought at a reasonable price.

Tropical Beach: playability level above that of what can be bought at a reasonable price.

Tropical Tidal Wave: should retain their exclusivity.

Tropical Beach: should not retain their exclusivity.

Quite frankly, there's no other card in the format that does what Tropical Beach does. Unfortunately for competitive Pokemon players, Tropical Beach happens to be a playable stadium in the current format. Furthermore, it doesn't help that there are only 5 legal stadiums in the format, of which only Tropical Beach can draw cards. *sigh*

 

[dogma]

As a collector I'm all for this (as long as it has a normal back)

 

[Otaku]

Understand that opinion CAN in fact be separate from personal greed. As much as America wants you to think otherwise.

More like "hypothetically could be". People tend to be most dangerous when they don't allow for how their personal biases affect their thoughts. In this case, I assume your own investment is not the driving force behind your opinion since you've stated it repeatedly. Just as obtaining the card for myself is not my driving reason: my card buying is currently frozen, so unless it became so common someone would give it to me, I wouldn't be receiving a copy for quite some time.

My interest is for the game. I enjoy playing it when I can, even if I have to use older cards or borrow a contemporary deck. I enjoy learning, studying, and writing about the game. So my own personal self-interest is forced to align, at least somewhat, with the game's own personal self-interest. If TPC made a binding promise (as binding as such corporate promises can be) that this was the last "unique, exclusive" promo, and from now on World's attendees will be rewarded with something just as rare but that doesn't provide an effect that can't be found elsewhere (my preferred option) or simply wasn't legal for Modified play, I'd be willing to accept that in two or so years, this won't matter for Modified and won't matter for Unlimited.

If the practice continues, then this is issue remains an active concern. Personally I find it silly to try and design a "safe bad card" to give out as the super-special-awesome promo... why not just make a blank card with the appropriate name (World's 2011) or just have congratulatory text. Then again, Pokemon is a very creative game and that's why I just flat out find this practice foolish: you never know what combos could emerge. Perhaps even one where it would be useful, even if only for a few decks, to have a "blank" Trainer.

Getting such a rare card is a treat, even if it isn't very good, but I think it would be best for all concerned if future Promos were released as alternate art (or at least foil stamped or some other treatment) of existing cards. I don't want to bleed TPC dry but instead of having to worry about R&D developing a "safe" card (or any card at all) just either invest in a special card treatment (like a unique holofoil) or find a talented artist to produce special, exclusive art.

 

[Yoshi-]

IMO this thing will become a 1-off staple in everything that uses twins. I can borrow them so I dont mind (although having to borrow cards is annoying) but other people? IMO we need a reprint

 

[IHateJuice]

What's the problem of actually spending like 80/90$ dollars on a card that is supposedly going to make your deck way better. are we all that poor?

i don't see a problem with this card (i mean, it's not that good) nor do i see a problem with the cards price.

people stop whining and shell out these 80/90$ if you think this card will make your deck better.

 

[King Piplup]

What's the problem of actually spending like 80/90$ dollars on a card that is supposedly going to make your deck way better. are we all that poor?

i don't see a problem with this card (i mean, it's not that good) nor do i see a problem with the cards price.

people stop whining and shell out these 80/90$ if you think this card will make your deck better.

Because its bad for the game to have playable Promos available to a select few (After all the buying/selling, limited to a select 700) That is not healthy, especially in the lower divisions, as there will be very few of them other than the competitors able to obtain the cards. This is just not a good thing.


However, I don't feel Pokemon will print the card (Though, they're does have to be SOME purpose for it being in the TCGO)

 

[Otaku]

What's the problem of actually spending like 80/90$ dollars on a card that is supposedly going to make your deck way better. are we all that poor?

i don't see a problem with this card (i mean, it's not that good) nor do i see a problem with the cards price.

people stop whining and shell out these 80/90$ if you think this card will make your deck better.

I think the better question is are we all that rich and/or possessing questionable judgment?

Or was your comment sarcasm and I missed it?

A reminder: I dislike the principle of making a card so hard to get that is tournament legal and has a unique effect. Seems like if I don't say this every other post, people forget. :wink:

$80 to $90 is a lot of money (at least for now, but if inflation kicks in the card's asking price will go up anyway). First it's equal to a lot of labor... in terms of minimum wage it costs you about 12 hours, half a day, to "earn" that card. If you're a student working part time, 12 hours could be your entire paycheck for a week, maybe even two! If you're an adult with a family minimum wage seems unlikely but the economy is hardly stellar in the US (or many places, for that matter) or you might not be getting as many hours as you like (underemployed) and you're taking a huge chunk of your budget. Even if you're comfortably employed...

It's $80 or $90! That's too much for a piece of card board, with the possible exception of you already being a top player and it standing a good chance of "making or breaking" your deck. I mean if the investment is going to have a good return, fine. For the rest of us? That's just foolish.

First, in terms of recreational activities, that's a great night out, possibly enough for a good weekend of fun if you're frugal. If you just want "stuff", you can get some great collectibles, books, games, action figures if you still like them, etc. for that same price... stuff that might even have a better resale price (at least short term).

Second, some of us just question dropping that much money on ourselves... I mean put it in scale. That's enough for a box of some sets if you know where to shop. That's many player's yearly Pokemon budget, or at least half of it.

tl;dr: $80/90 is a lot of money, and most of us don't have it or have better places to spend it.:thumb:

 

[IHateJuice]

Yeah, i understand 80/90$ is a lot of money. But if you want to win, can't you make the investment? why should every card be cheap and available to the masses?

 

[Ryuzaki_Lawliet]

Yeah, i understand 80/90$ is a lot of money. But if you want to win, can't you make the investment? why should every card be cheap and available to the masses?

Because we play Pokémon, not Yu-Gi-Oh!.